Looking for a good mid 13s setup

[turbo90gsx]

Yes, the 14b will be plenty of turbo for mid 13's. Here would be my recomended list to add to the 1000's

14b turbo
CLEANED/DEGREASED 1g sidemount intercooler (these sidemounts buildup a TON of oil)
Good compression
New timming belt/balance shaft belt and pulleys
New water pump
Properly disengauging clutch (you already have too much clutch for the car, just make sure it works properly)
Scrap that POS RFL bypass valve (stick with a re-curulated 1g)
FWD you will need some decent tires
re-wired 190lph fuel pump
Some sort of 1:1PSI ratio fuel pressure regulator
550cc injectors (since you have a 2g maf to aid in compensation)
SAFC for basic fuel compensations and WOT control

13's are easy you just have to drive it.

 

[93TSI_DSM]

Ive heard this 2 times in this Thread, whats wrong with the RFL BOV? I mean it holds a max of 25lbs and im not going to be running ###### more then 20 out of any turbo. i kno the 1g crushed holds 25lbs aswell.

 

[ed_dogg23]

I think your on the right track bro! Although my car is awd, I was able to get into the high 13s completly stock, just running well. I know there is a huge defference with the awd but keep in mind that this was at bandimere. The altitude was like 9500 feet. ...... So im not trying to swing my dick or anything, im just saying you should keep costs down, ### seat time is very important!

 

[Gamble97]

A crushed 1g bov will hold whatever you throw at it. The RFL is junk. All it is is a noise maker.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

You are running a stock MAF and when you run a stock maf with an unrecirculated BOV you will run rich when you shift and at idle.

I don't think it's a matter of the RFL being a POS other than just the fact that you can't recirculate it.

 

[Lonnie gandee]

You are running a stock MAF and when you run a stock maf with an unrecirculated BOV you will run rich when you shift and at idle.

I don't think it's a matter of the RFL being a POS other than just the fact that you can't recirculate it.

And the fact that ALL the RFL's leak, would keep me from using it...

USe a 1g valve, and you'll notice an improvement.

 

[moparismylife]

We are still talking about a fwd right.... This isnt a ,,, How big is your dick thread....




Sure, someone can get lucky and bust some 13's , but for the majority, they are gonna need a few more parts....


I'm running 12.30's with my 14b... On a sidemount..... DO you see me swinging my dick....

Wasnt trying to swing my peter at noone sparky. I was just showing him thatit desnt take much to get those 13's w/ simple mods. And why you barking at me when somone else did the same thing a few pots up and yes as somone pointed out for you, you just swung the sucker out there. Congrats on making this a swing your dick thread and not about fwd cars !

 

[boosted240]

evo fmic
hard piping
the clutch is perfect
get that flywheel
exhaust
16g
255 fuel pump
550s
gm mas air and translator would help
ported 2g mani
and a cheap tubular o2 housing

 

[oVaBoost]

suspension would be 1 good stiff suspension would help that if you want 13's or lower and will help with wheel hop. One thought is that the rear suspension should be VERY stiff but the front suspension should allow for some travel but have good dampening to prevent bounce. Maybe from a good adjustable set of coilovers. Front sway bar to help tie the front end together, obviously an LSD and good rubber. and some little engine mods your set whats the point of doing alot of engine mods if your going to get more wheel hop simce your running more power to them.

 

[93TSI_DSM]

Ok well i changed my mind, i want to run low 12s really but i have to get into the 13 low 13s first. I still plan on doing most of the mods but i have a little bit more detail this time around. a Ported Big Evo3 16g with an Evo3 Ported Exaust Manifold with a ported 1g Intake Manifold 1g TB and 2g TB elbow. That way i will have the best air flow with "stock" parts. Also the Walboro 255lph with 550/650cc injectors on DSMLink v2 or v3 with Eprom ECU, get it tuned to about 18-20 Psi or 22 on 94 octane. Suspension and Slicks i havent decided on yet but with all on that and Hard piping....im forgeting alot more stuff i think, but i think i can pull off a decent run of low 13s/high 12s. Thanks for the input everyone. my goal is to make atleast 1-11s pass in this car and then ill be happy.

 

[habitatguy187]

You are running a stock MAF and when you run a stock maf with an unrecirculated BOV you will run rich when you shift and at idle.

I don't think it's a matter of the RFL being a POS other than just the fact that you can't recirculate it.

Just realized , he probably isn't (or wasn't idk) running rich between shifts because of the 2g maf with no compensation, 2g maf lowers airflow reading than 1g maf so less airflow-less fuel, no nasty shifting, just screwing up the engine.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Just realized , he probably isn't (or wasn't idk) running rich between shifts because of the 2g maf with no compensation, 2g maf lowers airflow reading than 1g maf so less airflow-less fuel, no nasty shifting, just screwing up the engine.

A properly compensated 2g MAS or not, venting with a drawthrough type MAS will screw with your idle and shift AFRs. Now, whether or not he's correctly compensating for the MAS will determine how bad his car really runs.

 

[boosted240]

Bigger turbo. Maybe a big 16g, 650s, slicks, prob about 25psi, 38mm wg should be fine

 

[woowoopdoo]

You can't just throw 650's in without compensation of some sort. ^ those mods would probably yield a high 12 sec. pass

 

[woowoopdoo]

Ok well i changed my mind, i want to run low 12s really but i have to get into the 13 low 13s first. I still plan on doing most of the mods but i have a little bit more detail this time around. a Ported Big Evo3 16g with an Evo3 Ported Exaust Manifold with a ported 1g Intake Manifold 1g TB and 2g TB elbow. That way i will have the best air flow with "stock" parts. Also the Walboro 255lph with 550/650cc injectors on DSMLink v2 or v3 with Eprom ECU, get it tuned to about 18-20 Psi or 22 on 94 octane. Suspension and Slicks i havent decided on yet but with all on that and Hard piping....im forgeting alot more stuff i think, but i think i can pull off a decent run of low 13s/high 12s. Thanks for the input everyone. my goal is to make atleast 1-11s pass in this car and then ill be happy.

This should be plenty for a mid 12

 

[toofast82]

Evo8 injectors (used $100)
Evo8/9 fuel pump(used $25-60) rewired as well
2g manifold and O2 housing(used<$100) port these as well as turbine housing per vfaq.com
SAFC1/2 (used $75+)
2.5"-3" exhaust($depends$)
Good tires($depends$)
14b is capable of 33lb which is more than enough for mid 13s. 60' foot times will be very critical to your setup
That would be the cheapest way, but will not allow much growing room

 

[boosted240]

Yea i know but i was just addin to what other ppl said. Somebody said a gm mas and translator, and dsnlink so thats ### he would do the fuel adjusting with.

 

[93TSI_DSM]

The 2g MAF Has a higher air flow then the 1g so it would be running lean, now i looked at the plugs they showed signs of being ran lean, but the car idles fine just sounds like it pops a little.

 

[boosted240]

Get a gm mas and translator. Its better the any 1st or 2nd gen. And you can find em cheap.

 

[habitatguy187]

The 2g MAF Has a higher air flow then the 1g so it would be running lean, now i looked at the plugs they showed signs of being ran lean, but the car idles fine just sounds like it pops a little.

You either need to get a safc or put some 550cc injectors in there, it will compensate for the 2g maf, not perfectly, but muuuuuch better than what you're doing now. I bet your fuel trims are through the roof.

Do something soon before you tear something up and have to spend lots of money or just sell your car for less than half it's worth.

 

[habitatguy187]

Get a gm mas and translator. Its better the any 1st or 2nd gen. And you can find em cheap.

Find them cheap? The cheapest setup I've found was $140, then you have to buy a new intake pipe, sometimes a new filter, you have to have your intercooler piping cut and buy new couplers and clamps, and that's only if you have hard IC piping, if you still have the stock piping then you can't put it on.

That's a lot of extra money for a part that's not needed to run 12s.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Get a gm mas and translator. Its better the any 1st or 2nd gen. And you can find em cheap.

What makes it better? I've seen a lot of people go from a 1g or 2g MAS to a GM MAS and Translator. Just to sell it and go back to a 2g MAS or Speed Density. I can maybe see an arguement about the restriction in the intake side of the turbo that the 1g/2g mas's create. But my counter arguement is that the 3" GM hotwire maf is inaccurate in blow through setup. Now the 3" GM MAF might be ok in a draw through setup. But, seriously unless you want to vent your BOV or are flowing some more air than the 2g mas can handle (over 450hp) I don't see the advantages. By then you should either go with SD or a full stand alone unit. IMO

 

[93TSI_DSM]

Bill at Showdown said the 2g MAF was better then a GM Maf.

 

[habitatguy187]

Bill at Showdown said the 2g MAF was better then a GM Maf.

Not sure about it being "better" but I know that it can read more air than a 2g maf can, which is why ppl with high hp use them and not the 2g maf. The blow-through setup might help throttle response a little too.

 

[BigKat773]

You could run 13s with nothing but a 3in turbo back and more boost. I've heard of people turning up on the boost to 15psi on stock cars and running high 13s. You won't need slicks or cams . And the 14b is great if all you want is 13s. Def. do the motor mounts though as it will help with wheel hop.

i ran a 13.6 with a ported o2 housing 3inch downpipe, and Halman MBC, boost was around 15 to 16lbs.