Larger turbo with good street behavior

[Syndicate13]

If I had to choose between the fp and 50trim, seems like spoolup is around the same but one has way better top end. Another thing to consider the fp costs near 2 x as much. Fp3052 anyway

There's an old saying that you get what you pay for. I have never heard a bad thing about FP or it's turbos, the same can't be said for some other vendors. FP is proven, look at Super95AWD, he just trapped 116 on 17 psi, pump gas, untuned with a 3052. His car even rides on 19's, that's power, plain and simple. He's seeing 40 lbs/min at 17-18 psi with cams, that's good for 400 horsies with room to grow.

 

[sp00ln]

I see 22psi at around 3900 rpm, with 272/272 at idle I get around 13-14 hg of vacuum at 800 rpm..my MAF is stock but the lower H/C is removed..I get no boost creep at all. It took only 23 psi to get 11.9(1/2 race(104) and 1/2 94 oct) still running very rich(11.2afr(.98v) top of 4th at 18deg of timing...all of this on a rewired 190 pump..

the s-afc is tuned in the upper ranges 4k+ to -35% with the 650s.. My setup is good for 30psi had it up to 26psi once..done on 18s

Hmmm... what elevation are you at and I'd like to see a detailed chart of your timing. Also, how much lb/min do you get with your turbo? I can only see about 15@18psi on the data-logger - around 22 at 21 psi. It seems kinda week.

 

[paul s]

I don't really have a detailed chart(logs) as I borrowed the logger from a friend.. On the logger I only get around 27-29lb at 22 psi..I'm at sea level..my timing hits around 7-8 deg around 4800rpm and goes up from there..

 

[14.5 drift]

that sucks, what's the hang up with your flow?

 

[Syndicate13]

If you guys are using an AFC to tune then your airflow levels are going to be lower than they really are.

 

[paul s]

^^yes it is, I know that. I never pay attention to the flow, as long as it pulls hard its OK..

 

[14.5 drift]

whew!, I was like damn paul, 11.9 is pretty good for 300hp,

Any idea how off it is, or is it different because there all set differently?

 

[sp00ln]

whew!, I was like damn paul, 11.9 is pretty good for 300hp,

Any idea how off it is, or is it different because there all set differently?

Yeah... .

You learn something new everyday. :laugh:

 

[CanadianTalon]

Do you think the FP3065 would do 450 AWHP on pump gas with methanol injection at 27-28 psi?

 

[14.5 drift]

I think the ffp3065 could swing that with out alky at 24psi

 

[98spydert]

There's an old saying that you get what you pay for.

That's true to a point but there's no point in paying for something I won't use to it's fullest. That's like telling someone who wants 300WHP to just buy a top of the line bb turbo just because it's proven to make good power. All they really need is a xtremly inexpensive small 16G to get what they want. When you up the power to 400-450hp it's obvious the price is going to go up but I'm just trying to spend what I need to rather than go all out

 

[98spydert]

I think the ffp3065 could swing that with out alky at 24psi

You think? On pump?

 

[14.5 drift]

You think? On pump?

Should I react, or not. Nevermind.


I think it is possible, do you think it's not?

 

[Violater101]

I am flowing around 41.5lbs/min @21psi. Last time I dyno'd I had alot of issues and the most I saw was around 40, but at 19 to 20psi. I'm hoping to put down around 370 on pump next time out. Car made 340 in 100 degree heat with only 13 degrees of timing last time on the dyno. 4 to 5 degrees of timing should be good for at least 20 hp if not more, This was on pumpgas. I did a pull the other night while the weather was cooler (70's) and the car wasn't pulling any timing @21psi and I was getting 18 degrees of timing (added 2 degrees up top) with an A/F of around 11.2.

 

[kpt4321]

You think? On pump?

Are we talking about a 2.0 liter 4G63 here? A stroker? Stock cams? Mild aftermarket cams? Stock valve springs? Raised or stock rev limiter? What intake manifod? What exhaust setup? Who is tuning? What type of fuel is "pump gas?"

Should I go on?

With a well set up car, you could definately make 450 dynojet horsepower at 22-25 psi.

 

[BrnOutKing]

There's an old saying that you get what you pay for. I have never heard a bad thing about FP or it's turbos, the same can't be said for some other vendors. FP is proven, look at Super95AWD, he just trapped 116 on 17 psi, pump gas, untuned with a 3052. His car even rides on 19's, that's power, plain and simple. He's seeing 40 lbs/min at 17-18 psi with cams, that's good for 400 horsies with room to grow.

116mph traps is typically about 370whp


For a reference:

My car: Stock 7 bolt Block, HKS 264/272, Magnus 2G SMI, ARP head studs, Otherwise Completely stock head.

I'm running a turbo larger then the FP3065 (but nonBB) - I'm seeing 52lbs/min at 22psi on 92oct pump gas (creeps from 22psi@7200rpms up to 25psi by the time I hit 8,000rpms)

Netted me 403whp (with 11.2-10.8 A/F)

AT 25psi and C16 - 54lbs/min = 456.7whp (with about a 11.9-12.1 A/F)

IF I knew how to attach my DSMLINK Logs I would.

 

[super95awd]

Fp3052 all the way . I'll go back and grab some 11 sec slips on 20-22 psi once I remedy my grenaded center diff.

EDIT: Oh, and yes, on pump gas.

 

[98spydert]

Should I react, or not. Nevermind.


I think it is possible, do you think it's not?

I wouldn't know, I've never used that turbo. I'm just skeptical about "pump gas" because the 91 oct here in Cali isn't good for a hole lot of high boost applications. As far as 24psi on 91 piss on a stock 7 bolt and maybe a HKS 264/272 combo, doesn't sound like it would work but I guess it's all in the tuning when you get that far.

 

[14.5 drift]

I think if burnoutking was fwd he would already be hitting the 450 mark 22psi

 

[98spydert]

I just read his. Very impressive, especially on 92 oct. I'll be AWD on my next car, FWD just isn't fun for any type of 1/4 racing, street or track.

 

[CanadianTalon]

Are we talking about a 2.0 liter 4G63 here? A stroker? Stock cams? Mild aftermarket cams? Stock valve springs? Raised or stock rev limiter? What intake manifod? What exhaust setup? Who is tuning? What type of fuel is "pump gas?"

Should I go on?

With a well set up car, you could definately make 450 dynojet horsepower at 22-25 psi.

My fault, I should have elaborated. 2.0 litre motor with wiseco pistons and eagle rods, 272/272 HKS cams, Extreme Motorsports Springs + Ti retainers, we'd spin the motor for as long as it would keep making power, Dejon Tool IM, slow boy racing manifold a tial 44MM gate with a 3.5" downpipe and the tial dumped to atmosphere, don't know who would tune it yet but probably horsepower freaks/torque freaks, pump gas would be 92 octane. We're shooting for a true 450 AWHP, not just dynoing it with the rear end disconnected and making 450 FWHP.

 

[Syndicate13]

116mph traps is typically about 370whp

Around 370whp would equate to at least 400 crank if not a little more. Assuming an 18% drivetrain loss, 370 whp would put him at around 430 crank ponies. But none of this was my point. I know there have been turbos out for years that have made big power. However the FP30 series does it with ease. 116 mph traps on a 2.0 liter with cams at 17 psi. That's hauling ass, plain and simple. Look at some of the other so called "proven" turbos. While there are always the Jim's of this world who can run 12.1@113 on pump with a 50 trim there are always the ones who can barely break 12's or get over 110 on race gas. On the "other" boards there is a guy in a 3350 lb car that trapped 129 on a 3065 which according to the ever so accurate <---sarcasm, online HP calculator would equal well over 550 to the wheels. That's power.

 

[ITSME4G63]

370 * 1.18 = 436.6 Crank hp, thank you.

 

[Wicked99GSX]

I have a FP Green about to go on and I'm looking for about 400hp at 22psi- Doy you guys think this is possible with no internals??? I have all the bolt ons- with the safc2- No cams no cam gears- Also do you guys know if you have to cut your dp to make the v-band clamp work- I know I have to but I dont know where I should cut it!! -

 

[super95awd]

Wasn't quite in a 3350lb car, fairly close to full weight, but he trapped 135 with his 3065 on the stock head. Now THAT'S movin'. I also watched his brother run an 11.57 on the 3052 on like 23-24 psi. I was like "Oh hell ya".