Lag is overrated, new snail is on the way!

[gimmie11s]

On my 60-1 which is my track times in my profile ( <-----gimmie11's look that way maybe you will understand after 5th time) I had a .63ar exhaust housing. On my t66 I have, Ben over at AGP hooked me up with it its still a t3/t4 set-up. I am not running a full T4. I Love the turbo I have now. Its spool is not to much off from the old 60-1 but pulls insanely better once it does. When I finialy get a day off work and I get a chance to get to the track SINCE LAST YEAR, I will update my profile with T66 times.
Matthew

yet more inconsistencies (lies) out of Mr Matthew. Your spool is not much "off" from what the 60-1 was??? wow... the last time i checked, ~4100 rpm spool (60-1) is ALOT different from 6000.

 

[gimmie11s]

For around town driving.....it is my daily driver. I have the limiter set to 8500 for at the track....

8500 or 9000. which is it??

this is your daily driver that can only go for 30 miles at a time?
hopefully work is not more than 30 minutes away from you as after all, this is your daily driver..


you are so full of it, if your eyes are not brown already, they will be soon.



Your car, while probably good at the one thing it was built for, is a single-act vehicle. ITS A DRAG CAR. Quit spewing lies to all the newer people looking for info about your 700 whp turbo. IT IS NOT DAILY DRIVER FRIENDLY. Saying anything otherwise is total BS. To be honest, a 16g car is much more fun around town than even a 60-1. At least be honest.

Fuel cells are another mod that ARE NOT DD FRIENDLY. Ask anyone who has more than a month's experience with one. They are meant for race cars. Race cars typcially are not daily drivers.

Again, im sure your car is great at being a drag car. However, to tell all the people on this thread that it is also a totally acceptable daily driver around town is absolute BS.

 

[95AWD_TSI_TALON]

8500 or 9000. which is it??

this is your daily driver that can only go for 30 miles at a time?
hopefully work is not more than 30 minutes away from you as after all, this is your daily driver..


you are so full of it, if your eyes are not brown already, they will be soon.



Your car, while probably good at the one thing it was built for, is a single-act vehicle. ITS A DRAG CAR. Quit spewing lies to all the newer people looking for info about your 700 whp turbo. IT IS NOT DAILY DRIVER FRIENDLY. Saying anything otherwise is total BS. To be honest, a 16g car is much more fun around town than even a 60-1. At least be honest.

Fuel cells are another mod that ARE NOT DD FRIENDLY. Ask anyone who has more than a month's experience with one. They are meant for race cars. Race cars typcially are not daily drivers.

Again, im sure your car is great at being a drag car. However, to tell all the people on this thread that it is also a totally acceptable daily driver around town is absolute BS.

Well guess what.....I already stated the 16g was easier to drive around on. I never said I spooled my 60-1 at ~4100. My 60-1 full spooled ~4800. And why would I have to ask anyone that has run a fuel cell for more then a month. Whats so bad about them. Hot rods run them all day long. If you buy one with a sending unit (hence me) there is no difference other then I hold 10 gal insted of the ~14 the 2g's hold. I have had it for almost 6 months now no problems...no hassel's. And Yea I work 10 mins from my house.

As like MANY dsm'ers have come about- my car is much like everyone else's. They only had one car and started moding it. Well some people go crazyier then others. My car turns key every morning with me behind the wheel going to work. I have no problem merging into traffic or going through the McDonalds drive through.....(other then hearing the teller).
Matthew

People have said that walbro's arn't good for DD due to noise...and HKS cams are bad for DD due to idle change. You can't talk about anything you have not done. Your AFC tunning with 660's will have more drivability problem then I will due to I change my injector pulse with a far supior engine management system (dsmlink)and they run like stock....not dummied down the mass...Some people are wimps and dont want the draw backs. My only draw back is I wish gas was cheaper!!!!!

 

[95AWD_TSI_TALON]

I am not telling everyone to go out an buy mammoth turbo's. What I am saying is once you have gone through the begening stages of DSM's and have advanced up. You COULD run a larger turbo (60lb+) on the street with the proper supporting mods. IMHO for 75% of the dsm community a 50trim is probly the biggest they need. I don't just use my car for DD. I go out to hang-outs every couple week-ends. And make some money with it. That is why I stated I pull over after about 30 mins of driving for peace-of-mind on my Aeromotive cuz some spots I have had to drive almost 2 hours at some time to find a spot that no one knows about my car
Matthew

 

[gimmie11s]

...And make some money with it. That is why I stated I pull over after about 30 mins of driving for peace-of-mind on my Aeromotive cuz some spots I have had to drive almost 2 hours at some time to find a spot that no one knows about my car
Matthew

why not take it to the track and better that 12.0?? i guess its just different strokes for different folks. To me its much more fun to the take the car to the track and run impressive times against bigger, louder, and usually slower cars....thats what i get a kick out of. Racing on the street for money is for the tools....

 

[95AWD_TSI_TALON]

why not take it to the track and better that 12.0?? i guess its just different strokes for different folks. To me its much more fun to the take the car to the track and run impressive times against bigger, louder, and usually slower cars....thats what i get a kick out of. Racing on the street for money is for the tools....

Problem with getting to the track=WORK and fixing other people's cars

Matthew

 

[leet]

Okay, gentlemen, enough? Take it to PM's if you want to see who's e-penis is bigger.

Christ

 

[Slippi84]

For real I have a new 60-1 and was lookin to see how others fair with lag and have seen nothing but bickering between to ppl who both have there good and bad.

Gimme11's STFU!!!!!!!!!! the guy was done he was not gona say another word and made an attempt to get back on point but NO! You pull him back into a heated debate about lag? Come on man. Your both dsm guys who know what your talking about why have a pissing contest about NOTHING. By the way I don't know about you but I wouldn't go poke at a guy that with 15 minutes of tuning on dsnlink by a guy local performance dsm shop would destroy you.


95AWD TSI TALON your just as much at fault though. If he wants to get you wired up to get a kick out of you ignore him. You don't need someone else to give you a pat on the back to know you have a good fast car. THere will always be guys that hate F'em. You have a faster setup which he even admits several times. He has no experience with turbos that take as long to spool as these. Call it a day and just move on.


ANYWAY are most of you guys running some kind of Anti-lag system off the line like a 2 stage. I have a 60-1 turbonetics and I just got a SMIM so I'm not worried about top end but I'm AWD and don't want to lose my out the hole edge over just about everyone that I had with my smaller 14b.

 

[gimmie11s]

... By the way I don't know about you but I wouldn't go poke at a guy that with 15 minutes of tuning on dsnlink by a guy local performance dsm shop would destroy you...

your right, you dont know about me. i already have his best time beat with a measly 50 trim... gimme a break. we all know his setup should be faster. ill leave it at that....

having your car tuned for you by a "local performance shop" is a waste of money. furthermore, it cheats you out of valuable learning experience and makes you lazy. the people who get quality respect are those who do things themselves and are self taught. any monkey can throw $15k at a "local performance shop" and say, "Please make my car run 10s."

to get back to the thread....

it is my opinion that large turbos do in fact have a place in our motorsport. i, however, do not believe that this place is on a street car. Do the people subscribing to this thread understand WHY people run compressors as large as a t-66/67? If your plan is to run 30 psi, a t-66 is NOT for you. This is a 40+ psi wheel capable of making in excess of 650 whp. how many people do you know are running to the grocery store to the tune of 40 psi on a daily basis?

now, if you want to attack a number and race the car AT LEAST as much as it is daily driven... then by all means go for it.

but if you just want to be able to say "ya, i have a t-66 hanging off of my motor" just to say it... then to each his own i guess.......poser.

 

[Slippi84]

Listen I put that post up for a reason but obviously you don't seem to know when enogh is enough. You have further more ruined the original reason of this post and have turned it into gimme11's thinks he knows all and is better than the rest of the world. It wouldn't cost anywhere near 15k just to tune an engine so WTF are you talkin about. I am by no means above getting the help of someone that has been doing something longer than i have COUGH COUGH "DSMTUNERS WISEMAAN". So if you think that going to a shop and having them help you tune it is any easier than say getting base fuel map off here and simply copying it into your link YOUR WRONG! Everyone on here feeds off the knowledge that is given from others why the hell do you think this site was made in the first place to help other ppl that have the same type of car and are going for similar goals. I saw Ludachris on here askin a ? about something I knew does that mean I know more than him or any of the wiseman NO. If you think you know everything why even visit this site why waste thread space with you usless insults and immature your turbo stinks and mine is better for DD child like tantrums. Obviously his car drives just fine for him that's why he has it setup the way he does. By the way the measily 50 trim you keep underminig is actually better on pump gas at around the psi he probably has his turbo setup at so don't get high on yourself it's not you it's the turbo and second where are your 11 sec 1/4 passes slipts. Where are your 500awhp dnyo sheets. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

 

[nanokpsi]

to get back to the thread....

it is my opinion that large turbos do in fact have a place in our motorsport. i, however, do not believe that this place is on a street car. Do the people subscribing to this thread understand WHY people run compressors as large as a t-66/67? If your plan is to run 30 psi, a t-66 is NOT for you. This is a 40+ psi wheel capable of making in excess of 650 whp. how many people do you know are running to the grocery store to the tune of 40 psi on a daily basis?

now, if you want to attack a number and race the car AT LEAST as much as it is daily driven... then by all means go for it.

but if you just want to be able to say "ya, i have a t-66 hanging off of my motor" just to say it... then to each his own i guess.......poser.

I thing you are wrong on two respects. This t67 is going on my daily driver and there is no reason a dd can't have a large turbo. I think it fits my driving style really well and also helps keep you out of trouble. My car was much more fun when the scm50 was on it than with the scm61 but you get used to it. I you really don't need to be in boost to drive and keep up with traffic. The only tim a laggy turbo sucks in daily driving is when you get on the highway behind some blue haired lady that is going 45 and can't get over becasue everyone in the other lane is doing 70+ giving you the bird as they pass. Lag makes it hard to get over and not get reemed. All other driving aspects are just fine.

You also don't need to run 40+psi with these big turbos. Shane (Ecoli) made 694whp at 33 psi. Thats a completly realistc boost level IMHO. I'm sure when his next set up is finished, he will want to run a little more though.

As far as seeing strip time, not on the race gas tune untill I have a dog box in there, which is also when it gets retired from being my DD. It shoud still be in the 500+whp rang on pump and run some decent times though.

 

[Maglin]

Wow is all I can say. Enough about who is better and you sux. Big turbo's have their place. One being in my DSM. But just because one guy with a smaller turbo beats an old probably not turned up car with a large turbo. I know when I did a rough tune on my car it was running ok and felt good. But when I got the tune close to the edge with the same everything I pulled the front wheels off the ground (1/2") in 2nd running 30 PSI. And a 16G tuned to the edge with all supporting mods on race fuel is definitly a good running car. Expensive to drive though. Timing advance control has a lot to do with tuning a car no matter what turbo you are running. SAFC's on 16Gs works with race gas cause your only pushing 22ish psi and the high timing advance is what helps make it work. (race gas only). With a large turbo pushing 30+ PSI with the car car and same mods will make far more power but your need your timing around 15* advance on pump gas. And a tight power bank 3K RPMS is perfect for drag racing. With NLTS a large turbo doesn't have the lag between shifts and will definitly haul and get great gas miliage on the street.

So for the original poster which I kind of forgot what he asked because of all the bickering I would suggest this. Talk to some good shops that mainly focus on turbo cars and ask them some questions. I would say go big or go home, but that is biased cause I have a large turbo and love it. A wide band and stand alone/DSMlink are definilty required to get a good tune and make max power with it though. Small power bands work in drag racing. I shift at 8.5K which isn't optimal cause I'm using stock cams but I'm just training myself for when I do have cams and a new intake manifold. You want to shift Just after power peek and you only loose about 1.5-2K RPMs when you shift so the tight power band argument is really going nowhere. For autocross I've seen a full T4 60-1 11.2 second car beat amost everything out their. Placed 3rd overall and that was against other 16G's and M3's and even three 3rd gen RX7's with JIC suspensions.

And to close here. It's nice to pop the hood and see people go "Holy SH#@ that is a hugh Turbo". And my blow off when fully spooled is just crazy. Makes every head turn when it blows off. And it isn't a quick blow off it goes for like 2-3 seconds. I'm not a ricer and am only blowing off out of necessity but it is fun to see heads turn in traffic when it blows off at every shift.

 

[Slippi84]

Maglin!!!!


Maybe that everyone sees I'm not the only person that thinks the thread bickering is stupid we can get down to what really matters the cars!

 

[95AWD_TSI_TALON]

Thank you!!!!! I hate "bricking". Now back to the thread.

I am running a T3 exhaust housing on my T66. The thread poster is running a full T4. Which spool up is a bit slower. As said before, you get used to the changes the turbo creates and it don't have to drive around pushing 40+ psi to drive around. The best thing I can say is make SURE you have some form of logging and take it easy with that turbo. Larger turbos are not so nice to motors with 16g's when something little goes wrong.
Matthew