Just got my Gr-2s on...

[PhillyBlunt]

I don't "agree" with Ludachris. The GR-2 is a high performance shock. Why don't you compare a 98 eclipse with GR-2's AND lowering springs with stock shocks and lowering springs. The GR-2 is a high pressure shock. It says so @ KYB and it says so at most car stores. Read the literature. Koni's are overpriced. Thats why they do not "comand" the market. KYB does. KYB did more sales last year than Koni and Tokico combined. True that the AGX's are more suitable for lowering your car than the GR-2's. But to say that the GR-2's are not capable is only an opinion. Most Ground control springs lower the car well over 2 inches, if you would read the warranty card that comes with GR-2's than you will see that they are not covered when the car is lowered over 2 inches. So ofcourse your cars shocks will wear out more, specifically if the car is lowered because of the added force to the shock.

 

[PhillyBlunt]

Zex4g63 To be specific it was the prokit that came with the package deal!

 

[jtmcinder]

GMFB.

You judge quality by sales?

So 91 octane is better than race gas?

So fuzzy dice are better than an AEM stand-alone?

What kind of worthless nonsense are you peddling?

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Do you have any idea what makes a Koni Sport so much better than a GR-2?

Seriously.

Do you have any idea what you're trying to talk about?

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You wrote that that GC makes springs that lower the car more than 2"

Again: GMFB.

GC doesn't make springs. GC makes coil-over kits that (a) use Eibach race springs [not lowering springs] and (b) are adjustable in height [so the drop is not fixed].

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Please, just stop posting. By now you have caused the vendor you love great damage with your BS. So do everyone a favor and shut up.

- Jtoby

ps. I'm sorry, Mods, but this crap has to stop. This toad has singlehandedly brought this forum down to new lows.

 

[HokieDSM]

Jtoby - you're absolutely right. By PhillyBlunt's logic, Bilsteins would be the worst shock ever. :laugh:

The reason the Konis are so expensive is that they are the best shock on the market, at least for our application. If Bilstein broke down and made some quality performance shocks for DSMs, Koni would have some competition, and maybe even a price break.

 

[PhillyBlunt]

If they are the best on the market then, why have all the customers gone to Koni and bought there shocks. The mechanisms are the same. The parts are the same. Why are more customers putting on KYB's on there cars instead of Koni's. Don't get me wrong, Koni makes a good shock. But if opinion matters, and it does, why are more people getting KYB's over Koni. Is it because they are too poor to afford them. No, if they wanted them they would save up for it and get them. But they don't want them, they opt for the KYB's for the same performance at a better price. If Koni's where all that great, why wouldn't more people have them on there cars? There is no comparrison between the GR-2 and the Koni's. Koni outperforms over the KYB GR-2. That is like comparing a Ferrari to a pinto. Put the Koni against the AGX is a different story. Now if you go to Ground Controls website you will notice under Honda, that the total height adjustment exceeds 2 inches. Thats why the GR-2's did not hold up. It is because you have as much expierence with cars as a monkey with his finger up its butt!

 

[PhillyBlunt]

HokieDSM, jtmcinder, a message to both of you two. I post because I have been building cars for the better part of my life. When purchasing shocks, the only real difference is opinion. We could b*tch all day about who is better, KYB AGX or Koni. But it is a matter of opinion, bottom line. Koni's are no Better than the AGX. You will find 1000 people for the KONI and 1000 people for the AGX. All that matters is opinion. And the FACT that KYB outsold them both for the fiscal 2003 year. Those are hard numbers to ignore. - Phillyblunt

 

[HokieDSM]

HokieDSM, jtmcinder, a message to both of you two.

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I am sure you have been whacking it in front of your computer for years now, but bottom line is, your an idiot. Your some 18 year old pimpled faced douche know - it - all that thinks the world revolves around you.

Nice job. I didn't say anything personal, but you had to go insult not just one, but two of us - jtoby being a Wiseman. That's sure not to fly well. Great way to earn customers as well, I might add.

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[boostedinaz]

HokieDSM, jtmcinder, a message to both of you two. I post because I have been building cars for the better part of my life. When purchasing shocks, the only real difference is opinion. We could b*tch all day about who is better, KYB AGX or Koni. But it is a matter of opinion, bottom line. Koni's are no Better than the AGX. You will find 1000 people for the KONI and 1000 people for the AGX. All that matters is opinion. And the FACT that KYB outsold them both for the fiscal 2003 year. Those are hard numbers to ignore. Now I am sure you have been playing cars for a long time now, what 2, 3 years. And I know it has been tough working out of Daddies garage all your life, but don't knock until you try! I am not in here to cause a scene or still some of your clout, I am sure you have been whacking it in front of your computer for years now, but bottom line is, your an idiot. Your some 18 year old pimpled faced douche know - it - all that thinks the world revolves around you. But alas, it does not, when you finally muster up the courage to move out on your own and actually work on cars. (Working on cars does not mean looking through super street and taking there opinion) call me. And I will inform you of how the real world works- Phillyblunt

Wow, I would really liek to but shit from you. Look at how you a "vendor" handel you self in a public forum board.


First off just becasue something doesnt sell as much has nothing to do with performance, AT ALL. GM sold more trucks than Ferrari sold cars. Huh, Look at all those stupid people with cars that dont perform as well as a good ol' GM truck. It is widely know that the Koni's are a very good part, but are expensive compared to AGX's. I can go on Ebay right now and buy a full set of AGX's for 300.00. I can also go on Ebay and buy a full set of Koni's for 600.00. Now sure most poeple will go for the AGX's but that has nothing to do with performance, but price. They are double and if you are going to spend that much on a Koni and a GC or a DSS, then why not just go to a full coilover. I bet if you look and asked you would see that those who were going to get a Koni/GC combo ended up going full coilover.

For someone who "knows" so much you use the most ignorant statements to back up your facts. Why give real proof, perhaps a back to back comparison. It should be easy you are this great suspension guru correct?

I am going to asked that you be banned or suspended for the way you handled your self in this thread.

 

[Doug99RS]

Philly, it's a real shame that you have been given the opportunity to be recognized as a vendor on this national car club forum. I've never had dealings with you and I'm in the same state as you. But after the way you just lashed out at people debating here it sounds like I've spent my money wisely, elsewhere. It would be nice to see you not post for a while and reconsider just how much of a contribution you really make to this site before you post again.
Thanks,
Doug

 

[Zex4g63]

KYB did more sales last year than Koni and Tokico combined


Monroe sold more than all of them, does that make them better for our cars?

The GR-2 is a high pressure shock.

So are most all aftermarket and oe, do you know why they have high pressure gas in them?

GR2's are nothing more than a stock replacement, they have 4 inches of travel in them just like the stock strut in the front. If you lower the car 2 inches then.......do the math.

All that matters is opinion. And the FACT that KYB outsold them both for the fiscal 2003 year. Those are hard numbers to ignore.


I guess those advertising dollars worked well. Maybe Mitsubishi should hire KYB's advertising department, maybe they could sell some cars then. Just because a company states it's better, does not mean it is. Look a Fram oil filters, cut one apart sometime.

 

[Ludachris]

I don't "agree" with Ludachris. The GR-2 is a high performance shock. Why don't you compare a 98 eclipse with GR-2's AND lowering springs with stock shocks and lowering springs. The GR-2 is a high pressure shock. It says so @ KYB and it says so at most car stores. Read the literature. Koni's are overpriced. Thats why they do not "comand" the market. KYB does. KYB did more sales last year than Koni and Tokico combined. True that the AGX's are more suitable for lowering your car than the GR-2's. But to say that the GR-2's are not capable is only an opinion. Most Ground control springs lower the car well over 2 inches, if you would read the warranty card that comes with GR-2's than you will see that they are not covered when the car is lowered over 2 inches. So ofcourse your cars shocks will wear out more, specifically if the car is lowered because of the added force to the shock.

It's fine to disagree. But there's no need to insult others who disagree with you.

I guess many here are wanting what will perform better. If you're going to do autocrossing or track days and want a shock that will perform, you'll find that the GR-2s aren't as good as the Koni and the AGX. And the Koni has the edge over the AGX (except for the rear adjustability). Konis may be expensive and they might not sell as well as KYB, but that doesn't mean they don't offer better performance - which most of us want. The AGXs are the choice of most 1G folks because of their price - they're the cheapest adjustable you can get. Ask anyone here who has some track time under their belt - including Mike from DSS or the folks at RRE (who know a thing or two about road racing the 1G). RRE even states that the GR-2s are "a great replacement value. These are a little stiffer than stock; definitely not a sports shock."

Let's keep this a friendly debate please.

 

[Drivend]

I can't believe how funny this thread has gotten. Philly, have you seen side by side comparisons on AGXs and Konis on shock dynos? Have you ever heard of a shock dyno? I have personal experience riding on both AGXs and Konis and there's no comparison. I would say a 50% difference in price is the only reason AGXs outsell Konis, to think otherwise would be unreasonable. I've looked at products sold by Cox Imports in the past and have considered buying from them. After reading what you have to say I wouldn't buy from them if they were the last vendor on the face of the planet. Have a nice day and thanks for being part of our forum.

Dan

 

[PhillyBlunt]

I regret most of the things I have said in this forum. I handled it completely unprofessionally. To all I have offeneded I offer my sincere apologies. Especially to Ludachris, Zex4g63, and ofcourse jtmcinder. Knowledge is power and respecting everyone else's opinion is just as important as my own. I do wish a second chance though. In which, a: I will lay off the aads/ You guys probably have seen enough to flip. b: Personal attacks, not only are they childish in nature, they prove to solve nothing at hand. I wish you all a good day. For now I will lay off this forum and just listen to you guys. Please do not take my remarks personally as I was just speaking out of line. Thanks - oh and Miami lost to UNC on Saturday!

 

[leakyfaucet]

But if opinion matters, and it does, why are more people getting KYB's over Koni. Is it because they are too poor to afford them. No, if they wanted them they would save up for it and get them.

Jesus, take a fooking economics class.

 

[boostedinaz]

I regret most of the things I have said in this forum. I handled it completely unprofessionally. To all I have offeneded I offer my sincere apologies. Especially to Ludachris, Zex4g63, and ofcourse jtmcinder. Knowledge is power and respecting everyone else's opinion is just as important as my own. I do wish a second chance though. In which, a: I will lay off the aads/ You guys probably have seen enough to flip. b: Personal attacks, not only are they childish in nature, they prove to solve nothing at hand. I wish you all a good day. For now I will lay off this forum and just listen to you guys. Please do not take my remarks personally as I was just speaking out of line. Thanks - oh and Miami lost to UNC on Saturday!

I can respect someone who can see when they are wrong.

 

[Ludachris]

I've been asked by Robert at Cox Import to extend a sincere apology for this whole situation. He has taken steps to ensure that this type of mess will not happen again. He wants to let everyone here know that he feels very bad for what happened and that this is not how Cox Import usually operates. I appreciated his concern.

 

[Zex4g63]

No problem. I just felt that someone was misinformed. The KYB issues have been experienced by me and many others. They are an excellent product when used for what they are designed for though.