Its called a DSM newbie forum for a reason

[tate393]

Okay i have some questions that i could not find after reading every god d@m article in the tech forums (which i love) i have built a 480 hp 1g and a 310hp 2g gsx with a buddy of mine at school who bought them to fix and sell. [its obviouse we had a little fun with them ]. we tuned both using ECMlink v3.
anyways, i am personally goin to buy one of my own soon and had some questions. I wana know where the cheapest/best places to buy dsm parts are? what software i should go with? and if my ideas on a turbo are significant. I have experience with ECMlink but im kinda leaning towards EMS. i have read and heard a lot of good things on MegaSquirt. what do you guys think? also i was thinking about building a hybrid turbo. i wanted to buy an ebay (godspeed) 20g big wheel and rebuild it with mitsubishi internals.
i need criticism and advice. thanks everyone


P.S.> going for 380-450hp DD

 

[bryanwheat]

Definitely go with ecmlink. It is more than what you need for what you are trying to accomplish. For a turbo i would look into a holset turbo. They are cheap and you will get real good results.

 

[BogusSVO]

Check the supporting vendors for what you need for parts.

DSM/ECM link seem to be the popular choice.

stay away from china bay turbos.

 

[fourgsixthree33]

I agree with these guys.

ECMlink will be more than sufficient for your goals.

The HX35 and HX40 would definitely be good enough as well. Though I would personally use an Evo 3 16G (smaller than the Holet's) which would get you to your HP goals.

 

[Alan11]

You can't rebuid a knockoff turbo with mitsu parts.
The supporting vendors are the best dsm parts source.
And ecm/dsm link is great.
Megasquirt is for 420a's only (correct me if I am wrong)

 

[bryanwheat]

You can't rebuid a knockoff turbo with mitsu parts.
The supporting vendors are the best dsm parts source.
And ecm/dsm link is great.
Megasquirt is for 420a's only (correct me if I am wrong)

You can use megasquirt on any engine. IT is a universal efi system.

 

[My1GLaser]

Another vote for V3. I love it.

My HX35 sees 35 psi by 4k rpm. 500 whp- Bad ass turbo

My FP18G6SL2 saw 28 psi by 3800 rpm. 400 whp- didn't like 30 psi

My Evo III 16G saw 25 psi by around 3400 rpm. 350 whp- not enough power

Personal opinions on the turbos from the last 5 years.

 

[silvreclips]

And ecm/dsm link is great.
Megasquirt is for 420a's only (correct me if I am wrong)

Yes you are wrong. Megasquirt can be run on any car. Its popular on the 420a plateform bc the 420a ECU cannot be tuned.

 

[boostedDJG]

put another vote down for link! i also think this site is good for a budget build and you can find some really good deals from so real good guys on here.

 

[Alan11]

Thanks guys good to know. I have never seen anyone tune a 4g63 with megasquirt. Why is that?
I haven't reasearched enough huh?

 

[BIRDCLAWTSi]

FWIW, Tunerpro rt is nice, And free, With an optional donation. Just need an ostrich, And a Socketed eprom. Easy to use and has alot of options. There's also Jackal which is speed density-DS-MAP.

 

[Arthris]

ECM link is great but if you love to tinker and would like to know how the ECU actually works and how to custom wright ## own code for ## car TunerPro RT and Ostrich are the way to go. Also its about 400 cheaper new for new if you go that rout. I personally run a Ostrich and would have it no other way. Some say to stay away from the Ebay turbos. Its all personal choice. I know someone personally that runs a Ebay Turbo kit on his new age mustang. He's blown his engine twice with the kit and the turbo is still kicking.

 

[DSMTyson]

Okay i have some questions that i could not find after reading every god d@m article in the tech forums (which i love) i have built a 480 hp 1g and a 310hp 2g gsx with a buddy of mine at school who bought them to fix and sell. [its obviouse we had a little fun with them ]. we tuned both using ECMlink v3.
anyways, i am personally goin to buy one of my own soon and had some questions. I wana know where the cheapest/best places to buy dsm parts are? what software i should go with? and if my ideas on a turbo are significant. I have experience with ECMlink but im kinda leaning towards EMS. i have read and heard a lot of good things on MegaSquirt. what do you guys think? also i was thinking about building a hybrid turbo. i wanted to buy an ebay (godspeed) 20g big wheel and rebuild it with mitsubishi internals.
i need criticism and advice. thanks everyone


P.S.> going for 380-450hp DD

Use ECMLink V3. You are already familiar with it and there is no reason to waste the money on AEM EMS if you are only going for 380-450hp. Mega Squirt is junk compared to link.

You can't go wrong with an HX35, it just takes more time to set everything up. The turbo needs at least 15psi of oil pressure at idle, and no more than 70psi by redline. You can fine tune your oil pressure by porting your oil filter housing( Post # 58 for reference http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/stroker-tech/224606-porting-oil-relief-hole-no-balance-shafts-2.html ). People also use oil restrictors as well. You would also need an aftermarket oil drain, -12 AN is the size needed.

other than that, I recommend a TD06 20G with a TD06H turbine wheel, with a machined and ported 6 or 7cm turbine housing(not an Evo 3 turbine housing). OR if you can find one, an 8cm DSM flanged turbine housing.

 

[tkelly27]

Thanks guys good to know. I have never seen anyone tune a 4g63 with megasquirt. Why is that?
I haven't reasearched enough huh?

How to MegaSquirt your 4g63 powered DSM - Eclipse, Talon, Laser

I don't know, people do it.

No tuning system is junk if it gets the job done. It wasn't long ago when link had only sliders, and was way far behind the DIY community that already had speed density code.

I wouldn't choose a tuning system until I had seen all my options. I've spent a long time learning, and I can't wait to learn more. I burn my own chips, and I like it a lot. I use a reprogrammable flip chip to tune. It takes a little longer, but I've got some pretty good base maps already.

Link will definately get you to a tuned, good running car quickly. I think that's what people like about it, but I could never afford it. It definately seems like your best option, since you're familiar with it, you'll likely reach your goals much faster. You can always integrate a stand alone while your car is running on a stock ECU. It actually makes it much easier to learn how to use it to datalog and make sure all the inputs and outputs are working while driving the car. I'm doing this with my van, going from a tuned stock SMEC ECU to an ECU out of a Camaro. Don't ask why, .

Megasquirt is something that you can take from car to car, and you have so much control over it. The learning curve is steep, and sadly there have been megasquirt builds that released the smoke monsters. That doesn't often happen with a mass produced ECU. Completing any stand alone install would likely be a big stroke to one's ego though.

I choose... all of them, as often as I can. I love tuning cars. I love the sound they make when the fuel and spark are just right. Tuning should be fun, if it's not, choose a different way to do it.

 

[Bud92gsx]

Thanks guys good to know. I have never seen anyone tune a 4g63 with megasquirt. Why is that?
I haven't reasearched enough huh?

Because MS is a PITA.Where link is pretty user friendly.



OP there is nothing wrong with being a noob.Depending on your goals, will depend on where you get parts, and what parts you go with.Also budget as well.

We do have this Tech Guide - DSMtuners For upgrade help.

And this DSM 4G63 Maintenance Guide - DSMtuners for where to start with being reliable.

There is also WI-DSM.com - Powered by vBulletin

And WiDSM.org - The ONLY Wisconsin DSM Forums For local folks that would be willing to help.

 

[tate393]

I agree with these guys.

ECMlink will be more than sufficient for your goals.

The HX35 and HX40 would definitely be good enough as well. Though I would personally use an Evo 3 16G (smaller than the Holet's) which would get you to your HP goals.

You can use megasquirt on any engine. IT is a universal efi system.

Another vote for V3. I love it.

My HX35 sees 35 psi by 4k rpm. 500 whp- Bad ass turbo

My FP18G6SL2 saw 28 psi by 3800 rpm. 400 whp- didn't like 30 psi

My Evo III 16G saw 25 psi by around 3400 rpm. 350 whp- not enough power

Personal opinions on the turbos from the last 5 years.

FWIW, Tunerpro rt is nice, And free, With an optional donation. Just need an ostrich, And a Socketed eprom. Easy to use and has alot of options. There's also Jackal which is speed density-DS-MAP.

Use ECMLink V3. You are already familiar with it and there is no reason to waste the money on AEM EMS if you are only going for 380-450hp. Mega Squirt is junk compared to link.

You can't go wrong with an HX35, it just takes more time to set everything up. The turbo needs at least 15psi of oil pressure at idle, and no more than 70psi by redline. You can fine tune your oil pressure by porting your oil filter housing( Post # 58 for reference Porting the oil relief hole with no balance shafts? ). People also use oil restrictors as well. You would also need an aftermarket oil drain, -12 AN is the size needed.

other than that, I recommend a TD06 20G with a TD06H turbine wheel, with a machined and ported 6 or 7cm turbine housing(not an Evo 3 turbine housing). OR if you can find one, an 8cm DSM flanged turbine housing.

Because MS is a PITA.Where link is pretty user friendly.



OP there is nothing wrong with being a noob.Depending on your goals, will depend on where you get parts, and what parts you go with.Also budget as well.

We do have this Tech Guide - DSMtuners For upgrade help.

And this DSM 4G63 Maintenance Guide - DSMtuners for where to start with being reliable.

There is also WI-DSM.com - Powered by vBulletin

And WiDSM.org - The ONLY Wisconsin DSM Forums For local folks that would be willing to help.

All you guys are the sh!t . thanks guys! ya we used a Holset on the 1g that me and a buddy built. i was really considering Holset. also iv been really getting into tuning and what not in the last 5 or so months. i would definitely like to get more knowledgable than i already am on that sort of subject. like open-source tuning and the TunerPro rt sounds like my kind of route. so where can i learn quick and advance my tuning knowledge for something like Tuner Pro rt?? thanks again guys

 

[allwheelTSI]

Mickeysquirt is teh suck. There are so many more solid options out there. It was viable when we didn't have other options, but at this point, you can make a stock ECU act like a standalone unit, and it will blow MS outa the water.

 

[Arthris]

Mickeysquirt is teh suck. There are so many more solid options out there. It was viable when we didn't have other options, but at this point, you can make a stock ECU act like a standalone unit, and it will blow MS outa the water.

Yiu need to do research. The 1g ecu is limited by its computing power which in turns limits how well you can use. I think its a 8 bit cpu....lets just say by todays standards its slow. The MSII has a much much faster cpu which helps in the fact that you can run 4 sequential injectors and 4 sequential coils. Try to do that with a 1g ecu and let me know how it goes. The MS3 has a duel core cpu and that lets you run 8 sequential injectors and coils. You cannot tell me that the 1g ecu is better than that.

Dsmecu is the place to go to learn how to tune with tunerpro. There is a link the dsm ecu yahoo group as well. Sign up with them. They have a lot of custom code for some pretty sweet stuff

 

[atownturbo]

FWIW, Tunerpro rt is nice, And free, With an optional donation. Just need an ostrich, And a Socketed eprom. Easy to use and has alot of options. There's also Jackal which is speed density-DS-MAP.

+1 for Jackel and a holset.

 

[airmail96]

Jackal is only for 1gs. I would say your best bet would be a Holset and find a flashable ecu.