is this ebay header worth it?

[95GST2841]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...037848382QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

anybody have any experience with this header?


sounds alot easier then porting the 2g manifold I have now..


lmk your guys opinion

 

[Pure92TSi]

Those welds on the mounting surface look kinda weak. I wouldn't buy it but that's just me. Just port your 2g.

 

[spyderlover97]

I would stay away from those. I have no personal experience but a friend-of-a-friend had a bad experience.

 

[Slippi84]

I'm glad that I got to you first before everyone else starts their uninformed i eard ssautochrome/xspower bashing. You my friend have come across the most debated company/s in the dsm world. I personaly have thsi manifold and the matching o2 housing and both are great products that have come a long way since the models that used to crack. The new models has brakcet on each runner and the collector and is thicker than the old model and on top of that NO ONE can beaqt the price. In my opinon it's a good product that has a bad rap cause of it's past you make your own choice on wether you want to try it out or not.

 

[95GST2841]

awesome.. just what I wanted to hear..


think theres a power difference between this and the 2g manifold?

hows the stainless steel look in your engine bay?

 

[JusMX141]

Even if they aren't as prone to cracking anymore, they still increase the amount of heat in your engine bay drastically over a cast manifold. The only solution to that is wrapping each runner with heat tape and then you won't see that pretty stainless finish anymore. Tubular manifolds are just alot more hassle than the .05 h.p. they'll give you. At the track you don't see many tubular manifolds until you get to the guys who are running low 11's and I'm sure they didn't pay $130 for theirs on eBay.

 

[-Stroked-]

I'm glad that I got to you first before everyone else starts their uninformed i eard ssautochrome/xspower bashing. You my friend have come across the most debated company/s in the dsm world. I personaly have thsi manifold and the matching o2 housing and both are great products that have come a long way since the models that used to crack. The new models has brakcet on each runner and the collector and is thicker than the old model and on top of that NO ONE can beaqt the price. In my opinon it's a good product that has a bad rap cause of it's past you make your own choice on wether you want to try it out or not.

It may hold up ok but that isn't as big of a problem as the mechanic part of it...measure the port size then compare it to the stock one...and it isn't an equal length runner manifold so there is another flaw...the smaller runners and port and the runners not being equal length really hurts the flow numbers of this manfold. Stregth wise they have fixed it...but flow wise it bites the big one. Even ported like this one it would still be way better off to port your 2g manifold. Will outflow that thing any day for a fact. It will be cheaper to...unless you just want it because it looks cool then got for it. Like I told you in your other post, you aren't gonna go fast by buying everything cheap off of eBay...it's gonna take money.

 

[Slippi84]

It may hold up ok but that isn't as big of a problem as the mechanic part of it...measure the port size then compare it to the stock one...and it isn't an equal length runner manifold so there is another flaw...the smaller runners and port and the runners not being equal length really hurts the flow numbers of this manfold. Stregth wise they have fixed it...but flow wise it bites the big one. Even ported like this one it would still be way better off to port your 2g manifold. Will outflow that thing any day for a fact. It will be cheaper to...unless you just want it because it looks cool then got for it. Like I told you in your other post, you aren't gonna go fast by buying everything cheap off of eBay...it's gonna take money.

Never Owned the product and talkin from hear say or just other people bitchin about their random bad experience. For your information most of te stuff I bought I got off ebay you people need to stop talkin out your ass about ebay stuff. I have a authentic prothane engine motor mount kit off ebay i guess because i got it off there for cheaper i can't run 11's pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

 

[-Stroked-]

Never Owned the product and talkin from hear say or just other people bitchin about their random bad experience. For your information most of te stuff I bought I got off ebay you people need to stop talkin out your ass about ebay stuff. I have a authentic prothane engine motor mount kit off ebay i guess because i got it off there for cheaper i can't run 11's pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Yes I have owned one before. I had to get rid of it because it was to restrictive. I made 377awhp with it and by simply changing it back to a ported 2g manifold it went to 383awhp. So OBVIOUSLY from DYNO experience this manifold it to restrictive. If you understood anything about equal length headers and why they are the best you would know why this one doesn't flow very well. Sure it may work on your car and I have bought stuff from ebay too like motor mounts. But when it comes to these headers I have DYNO PROOF it doesn't outflow a good ported 2g manifold so you can stop talking without any proof

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Yes I have owned one before. I had to get rid of it because it was to restrictive. I made 377awhp with it and by simply changing it back to a ported 2g manifold it went to 383awhp. So OBVIOUSLY from DYNO experience this manifold it to restrictive. If you understood anything about equal length headers and why they are the best you would know why this one doesn't flow very well. Sure it may work on your car and I have bought stuff from ebay too like motor mounts. But when it comes to these headers I have DYNO PROFF it doesn't outflow a good ported 2g manifold so you can stop talking without any proff

He is right. That manifold he got off of ebay was ok for holding power and whatnot but was very restrictive. I heard about them testing it on the dyno and it is true. The unequal length runners kill the flow. Not to mention all of the heat that thing put off. It was unreal how hot it got. The 2g ported manifold definatly was the better of the two hands down no doubt.

 

[Slippi84]

ONE how long ago did you have it cause like I said they changed the design of the actual header and two I would bet the house that the tubular made the turbo spool faster and in my opinion spoolin faster is more important than 6hp. That's not to mention that unless you did back to back dyno runs you can't compare two diffrent dyno runs especialy not that close in numbers.


Edit: To the original poster look at my profile and compare setups and tell me if this header is good for my 65lb/min turbo than do you think it'll be good for you. By the way I WILL run 11's I would say do but i'm in the process of doing a huge rebuild and i don't talk about stuff i haven't done yet.

 

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ONE how long ago did you have it cause like I said they changed the design of the actual header and two I would bet the house that the tubular made the turbo spool faster and in my opinion spoolin faster is more important than 6hp. That's not to mention that unless you did back to back dyno runs you can't compare two diffrent dyno runs especialy not that close in numbers.

Back to back with 10 minutes inbetween to allow the intercooler to cool to it's previous temperature. It was done about 3 weeks ago and spool was nearly identical. ONCE AGAIN if you knew ANYTHING about the advantages of equal length runners you would know why this manifold isn't the best. By not having all the runners the same length gas from one cylinder gets there at the same time as another because it has just a little bit farther to go. On an equal length one they go one after another like they are suppose to because they all travel the same distance. When the runners are different the gases are combining and causing there to be a deal spot where there should be gas from another cylinder coming out. You won't win this battle and I will take my 6hp over your 50rpm faster spool if any. And I still have room left to port the 2g manifold too. Not gonna say it's not good for the money. But depending on the power you wanna make why buy a new manifold when you have a perfectly fine one already on your car. I did however use there o2 housing and had no problems with it whatsoever.

 

[Slippi84]

Listen I completely undertsand why equal length tubulars such as dnps and some of sbrs are good but you tell me where you can get a header and a o2 housing both SS and ported for 250 shipped...... So you mean to tell me you took off your tubular installed everything onto your ported 2g manifold in a matter of 10 minutes. You can't compare turbo spool as accurately without real world load anyway. I would like to knwo what kinda turbo you did this with also cause I mean if you have a maxed out 16g which those numbers are about what you would get out of a 16g that's close to being maxed out(aorund 400awhp) then of course you won't see the turbo spool that much faster, but if you have lets say a SBR GT14 which is up there with a gt35r ad your running just for arguments sake 25-30psi on the street spool could be decreased by as much as 200rpms maybe more depending on tuning. Even if the original poster considered the 6hp worth it and decided to save his money by not buying a new manifold he would have to know how to port his 2g manifold effectively or he would have to pay someone to do thus makin the point of keepin the manifold to save money a void point.

 

[-Stroked-]

Did it with an SBR G50. And it may have been more than 10 minutes, maybe 15...however long it took for the intercooler to cool down to previous' run's temp. And I'm not saying it isn't a good deal. But depending on the power you want to run why cut corners if you are going to be spending money on a lot of high dollar stuff. Why cheap on the manifold. As far as porting...I did mine for free obviously because my dad owned a machine shop at home and he had all of the equipment. But I have done it for friends before and it came out to around 45 bucks. but yes they are good for the money on say a 16g or so...but getting bigger than that I wouldn't use it.

 

[Slippi84]

I am not the type of guy to hate another guy for thinkin diffrently I hear what your saying and I respect it especialy since you didn't just come on here and bash without exsperience. You feel that on something 16g size this manifold would be fine but anything bigger it woudl not work I hear and respect your opinion. I just happen to disagree mainly for the reason that I used the SBR GT14 as a example becuase I run that same turbo on my talon. I think there other peopl not just yourself that thing every part has to cost a lot of money to be good and effective. I have a dejon tool smim that I bought for 300 I have a friend that I'm gonna be buying a set of fp2's off of for around 350 HELL I got my turbo never used of tuner from a guy that changed his mind for 900 bucs which came with oil feed line and inline sbr oil filter with 4" anti surge cover which if you gon the site and add it all up cost over 1500 bucs. My point i just cause you don't spend a crap load of money doesn't mean you can't get parts that will work together and get you the numbers and times you need. I feel that XSpower parts are parts that fall right in with the rest of the stuff I bought and saved money on.

 

[spotteddawg]

use it and if you dont like it ssauto WILL take it back and give you no crap about it.they customer service was awesome on my part.I bought a new turbo from them and the day I put it on my car smoked like a chimney.it was a honda hatch i wanted to try and build w/turbo..easy on the bashing... just wanted to see if i could...but anyway turns out it wasnt the turbo it was the tiny ass oil return line i had put on causing the oil to back up and leak through the seals.but point being the guy took it back..refunded all my money and even called me on my cell to insure he wouldnt lose a future customer.i ended up buying a whole set-up from a friend in the end..go for it!

 

[Talesin]

Bought an SSAutochrome manifold like this off ebay when I found cracks in my 1G manifold.

Short version includes buying a ported 2G exhaust manifold, a new alternator, and needing to buy a new timing belt cover after the cheap POS cracked off along the #1 runner and shot flame across the engine, bubbling my timing belt cover, which warped it and damaged my timing belt.


I've been taught by my car. DON'T BUY CHEAP, SHITTY PARTS. You'll end up re-buying the good ones, wasting the money you spent on the crap part, and feeling like a moron for blowing a hundred and fifty bucks you could have put toward another GOOD part.

 

[spawn7037]

What about porting an EVO III manifold?

 

[1gWill]

What about porting an EVO III manifold?

I've got a few friends that have those and could feel a difference. I'm with everyone else though. Just port your stock cast manifold.

 

[Cs4g63]

My reason for not buying one of those is purely cosmetic. I wouldnt want to have something that flashy under the hood. To me its a part that says look at me I dont do much for power but i will trick you into thinking I do because im pretty and shiny. But again its just my opinion.

 

[1gWill]

My reason for not buying one of those is purely cosmetic. I wouldnt want to have something that flashy under the hood. To me its a part that says look at me I dont do much for power but i will trick you into thinking I do because im pretty and shiny. But again its just my opinion.

Sorry for the BS post but I totally agree. Tuby manis are pretty showboy especially if the cast can do 500whp.

 

[winterftbl]

Why bring this thread back?

 

[mitch26753]

Its worth it if you want a foreign made manifold thats going to crack! save up your money and buy a good manifold like a dnp