2G Intercooler questions

[PearlSweatshirt]

I'm trying to figure out which front mount intercooler that I should go with. I've researched on 2 options. The ETS street kit or this VRSF kit. The ETS is an easy install and seems like it's had good reviews, but it's expensive. With the VRSF, it Is cheap and also has good reviews but doesn't seem as if it is as compatible as the ETS.

Any opinions? Or other kits in question?

 

[Tigerinstincts]

It really depends on your goals. Both are great cores although the ets core is definitely more efficient...but at a higher cost as you can see. I believe I saw on another post you wanted around 400hp? If so I'd suggest the vrsf kit since it can easily handle that and will save you some cash. Although if you plan for more power in the future, then the ets core will serve you far better! What turbo do you want to run? If you're pushing a smaller turbo then a more efficient core will be much better.

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

It really depends on your goals. Both are great cores although the ets core is definitely more efficient...but at a higher cost as you can see. I believe I saw on another post you wanted around 400hp? If so I'd suggest the vrsf kit since it can easily handle that and will save you some cash. Although if you plan for more power in the future, then the ets core will serve you far better! What turbo do you want to run? If you're pushing a smaller turbo then a more efficient core will be much better.

Well I wanted to either go with the 14b or 16g (which I would love an opinion on as well) I also notice the vrsf won't fit my stock bov so I'll need a replacement of the 1g or an aftermarket

 

[Tigerinstincts]

Ok so both of those turbos will have an insanely hard time of reaching 400hp without water/meth and a boost pressure of close to 30 psi which is detrimental to the life of the turbo at that pressure. It has been done but your tuning will have to be spot on. Race gas would be a must and even then it will be difficult to squeeze out that power from a 16g let alone a 14b. I have an 18g with a TD05 exhaust housing just like the 14b/16g and I'm not even sure I'll be able to hit 400hp with it. Basically you'd need every little trick (porting, water/meth, highly efficient/huge intercooler core, cams, etc.) to reach that power goal with those turbos.

 

[jimsgsx]

Go with the ets street. I have it and a couple of my friends do also. Great setup.

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

Critically accepted I forget where I checked the turbo upgrade hp specs...
Thought I could run that setup at around 4 but basically since that realigned my perspective can you answer me which would be the most efficient max hp wise and I basically want to build to compensate it

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

Go with the ets street. I have it and a couple of my friends do also. Great setup.

Yah that's kinda what I was thinking. Previous owner had changed the t-belt so I was gonna do that. But I wanna upgrade my intake system. T belt can wait

 

[Tigerinstincts]

Yeah if you have money to spend then you can definitely make the 16g reach close the tht power level. Most are in the ballpark of 350hp give or take. It highly depends on supporting mods though

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

Yeah if you have money to spend then you can definitely make the 16g reach close the tht power level. Most are in the ballpark of 350hp give or take. It highly depends on supporting mods though

350 is definitely in my interest range. I'm that kinda person that likes to keep his glass half full and not half empty I've just gotta set a reasonable gain in my mindset and not break the hell outta my bank

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

It comes from all the YouTube videos of dsm's pushing 7-800 and driving the streets

 

[Tigerinstincts]

Hahaha yeah I hear ya. It's crazy seeing those cars and them launching like a frickin rocket! I'd say you'd need a 3in turbo back exhaust, intake, vsrf core (to save cash), and a way to tune that 16g. Oh yeah you'll def need injectors and a fuel pump. I'm not sure what the minimum size injectors you'll need but higher is always better and evo 9 fuel pumps are a bargain if you're settling for 350hp. It's still somewhat difficult to reach that with a 16g but if everything is solid on your car you should hit no problem. Some have made that power with less mods but personally I always like to have room to be safe

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

Hahaha yeah I hear ya. It's crazy seeing those cars and them launching like a frickin rocket! I'd say you'd need a 3in turbo back exhaust, intake, vsrf core (to save cash), and a way to tune that 16g. Oh yeah you'll def need injectors and a fuel pump. I'm not sure what the minimum size injectors you'll need but higher is always better and evo 9 fuel pumps are a bargain if you're settling for 350hp. It's still somewhat difficult to reach that with a 16g but if everything is solid on your car you should hit no problem. Some have made that power with less mods but personally I always like to have room to be safe

Already got a Wally 255 in. I'm not sure what size injectors I want. But once I get the fmic and my maintnence done Iam def going to check into the injector sizing options and then go from there eventually I'll get a tune on it. I'm just looking for a fellow dsm'r around these parts to give me a hand. Don't really get a lot of diamonds around my ky area. They are either ragged out junks. Or actually in junks haha

 

[Tigerinstincts]

You'll need a fpr with that Wally which is generally not needed for Wally 190s or evo 9 fp. You possibly could get away without one but I dnt recommend it. What tuning software do you plan to go with? And if you haven't already bought a turbo, I'd suggest going straight to a 18g. Some say the spool is like a 20g but I think they have TD06 housings on them. It's always sad finding DSMs in the junker… but it's even worse seeing them on the road when they should be junked!

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

You'll need a fpr with that Wally which is generally not needed for Wally 190s or evo 9 fp. You possibly could get away without one but I dnt recommend it. What tuning software do you plan to go with? And if you haven't already bought a turbo, I'd suggest going straight to a 18g. Some say the spool is like a 20g but I think they have TD06 housings on them. It's always sad finding DSMs in the junker… but it's even worse seeing them on the road when they should be junked!

Yah I have a fuel lab 515 afpr. And I'm not really sure what software Iam going to go with. And I will check out the 18g! But I have an isolated question. Iam seriously thinking on the turbo xs rfl but I have no maf t... (Which I will be getting in the near future) should I go with this setup and risk running rich for the time? Or go with a recirc and then upgrade again? Or just buy it and wait to put it on with the translate?

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

Because these ic options have no fit for the stock 2g...

 

[Tigerinstincts]

I ran my car with the Greddy RS BOV with no recirc and it was fine. It only runs rich in between shifts and I guess some ppl stall out at idle but for whatever reason I was fine. Its sucks cuz you really wont know for sure what will happen until you try it. Again mine was fine but the guy before me had it vented for at least a year and their was definitely a lot of carbon build up! I was able to go to Home Depot eventually and i found some heater hose for spas that was able to fit over the flared end of the bov and its worked perfectly and can handle the heat in the engine bay. Maybe check that out but it's diameter is 2.5in and your rfl looks to be flared out more than mine. If you're only going to have it on for a little bit then go for it! (As long as you're not stalling out during idle)

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

Yah I really don't wanna take the chances cause I'm already having idle problems so after I get that fixed I'll try it out an let you know for sure! I might just go with either the rs or s just as a beginners upgrade.

 

[Tigerinstincts]

Yeah you dnt really need a crazy badass BOV for 350hp. Try to find them used as they are wayyy cheaper and definitely make sure your car is running well! What exactly is up with your idle?

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

It's idle surging. I'm not sure what the cause is I'm going to try a few things. Basically, when I pull it out of gear like coming to a red light. It will drop low to 100 rpms sometimes it will stall. I hate idle problems

 

[Tigerinstincts]

http://www.dsm.org/how-tos/tttt/tttt3.html
This should give you an idea of what's going on but it drops to 100 rpm? Sounds like you have a leak in the intake rather than an idle problem. Still read the link above as it tells you how our intake system works essentially

 

[er82]

I am also considering ETS street or VRSF intercooler kit. Though I'm skeptical about chopping up the radiator support and relocating the coolant overlflow. I wish they still made large side mount intercooler. From what I've read they were good to 400 hp.

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

I am also considering ETS street or VRSF intercooler kit. Though I'm skeptical about chopping up the radiator support and relocating the coolant overlflow. I wish they still made large side mount intercooler. From what I've read they were good to 400 hp.

Do you even have to cut a large amount?

 

[er82]

Do you even have to cut a large amount?

On 1G there are holes already for power steering and AC lines. They just need be enlarged and the bracket holding coolant overlflow needs to be removed. Some kits require trimming of bumper support. It's what I've read. Also, I'm not too excited about the end tanks of FMIC with short route. The angle of entry seems too acute and in my mind would cause pressure drop. Although everybody seems like the FMIC. I'm also considering making a water / air intercooler from frozenboost.com parts, but it requires fabricating stuff, which I'm not good at.

 

[PearlSweatshirt]

On 1G there are holes already for power steering and AC lines. They just need be enlarged and the bracket holding coolant overlflow needs to be removed. Some kits require trimming of bumper support. It's what I've read. Also, I'm not too excited about the end tanks of FMIC with short route. The angle of entry seems too acute and in my mind would cause pressure drop. Although everybody seems like the FMIC. I'm also considering making a water / air intercooler from frozenboost.com parts, but it requires fabricating stuff, which I'm not good at.

I have a 98 gst

 

[97_4g63t]

I went from an old greddy long route fmic to a 3.5" ets short route. With the greddy I would gain 5-10* in a 3rd gear pull 3k to 7k. With the ets I lose 5* or more on same pull.