I WANNA BE LLoooooWWWWW!!!!!!

[91talonontsi]

i hate the stock ride height of my 91 talon. i really really want to drop it alot. like 3 inch's. but at the same time keep a firm ride. i don't want the car to be sloppy in turn. just take them nice and good, almost no body roll. this is what i was thinkin. i was gona get drop zone coil overs, AGX struts, and get some kind of strut bars (not sure which ones tho). and rollin on 18's i still want it about 3 inchs from the ground. just enought to go over a normal size speed bump with grounding, to much. maybe just scrap the exhaust or something. but i def need to get the ride height down. thanks........

 

[RamenPride]

with a 3" drop you'll have a crappy ride since you'll basically be eliminating all of the suspension travel

 

[cait sith]

You don't want to be low, trust me.

You scrape the hell out of your front end, you have to slow down for everything, inclines become a major production instead of no big deal, tow trucks will cower and ruin your front end, etc etc.

 

[91talonontsi]

as i said i want to be low but still be drivable. so i might not lower it 3 inchs but keep in mind its gona be raised a little bit more then stock when the 18's come. my bro has a camaro that is sitting about 1" off the ground. not even joking about that. to me that car is not drivable because it scraps on anything and everthing. i mean i don't want my car on the ground but just about tucking the 18's. im really looking for peoples opions on an ajustable suspention system that doesn't coast like 1,000 and will have a nice ride. but still for everday driving maybe keep the car up a little bit and for the shows drop it a little bit. so is the set up im thinking of a good set up for what i want to do?

 

[DSMTurboEclipse]

My car is dropped 2 inches and thats fine with me. My exhaust hits on some speed bumps. If you want a nice ride...maybe Dropzone coilovers arent the way to go.

 

[91talonontsi]

yea i saw a talon lowered 2"s and it looked really good. so i think i said a little to much when i said 3 but o well. and i should have refrazed when i said NICE RIDE. i didn't really mean a nice ride, i am perfictly fine with a stif ride, but there is two different kinds of stiff. there is the stiff that is not harbly bad under normal ridding conditions and takes a turn like a champ. . then there is the type that is nasty stiff as can be all the time. 24/7, and when you hit the smallest bump the car bounces and breaks your back. i want more like the first one. i think i am gona get dropzones anyway with the AGX's and see how they are, but if i don't like them i would only wast $100 for the coilovers. not that big of a deal.

 

[91talonontsi]

o yea (dsmturboeclipse) i just saw that you are a fellow P.A. racer. yea man. go P.A. i also took a look at your car and i saw the drop, i want my car to be a little lower then that, so probably like 2 1/2" or maybe i did say the right thing at 3". but regarlis your car looks really nice man keep up the work.

 

[DSMvroom]

as i said i want to be low but still be drivable. so i might not lower it 3 inchs but keep in mind its gona be raised a little bit more then stock when the 18's come. . . .

That's not necessarily true. It could be lower/stay the same/higher.
At its extreme the variance in overall diameter would be a few millimeters. Then, cut that in half, and that's how much higher/lower the car sits compared to stock.

 

[Turbo Shogun]

I really don't recommend it.

AGX's are horrible if not paired OEM-rate springs. Search the boards a little and you'll find numerous other AGX related maladies. Along with other very useful information. Here's a good place to start.

DG's Street Setup for 2Gs

It may be for 2G's, but the original premise is the same.

And dropzone coilovers. Hm. Can you really trust a company like that? Think they'll give you spring rates? I bet you they don't even know what springs they're using. Use the perches, and buy Hyperco springs.

I don't think it's worth the aesthetic appeal to lower the car 3". But then again, that's just me.

 

[btracer]

o yea (dsmturboeclipse) i just saw that you are a fellow P.A. racer. yea man. go P.A. i also took a look at your car and i saw the drop, i want my car to be a little lower then that, so probably like 2 1/2" or maybe i did say the right thing at 3". but regarlis your car looks really nice man keep up the work.

im from PA as well and it seems like the purposely make the speed bumps 16" high and 4" wide around here so everyone scrapes.... its lovely

 

[91talonontsi]

im from PA as well and it seems like the purposely make the speed bumps 16" high and 4" wide around here so everyone scrapes.... its lovely

:laugh: yup same around here!! i live about an 45mins outside of philly if you have ever herd of westchester, or coatsville. i live inbeween the both of them. yup all the hills and bump and other opstickals are all fun. i dunno about over there but the deer are the biggest prob here. gotta watch out for them. they kinda suck when they hit your car. o well i think i am gona do some more research. i had no clue that AGX's were bad. i thought that they were good struts. o well thanks for tell me now i got to look around for different ones.

 

[91talonontsi]

o yea and what the hell does OBX stand for. i see it all the time on ebay. i dunno what it means tho. ive seen OBX springs, short shifters, fuel pressure regs ext. so what does it mean???

 

[91talonontsi]

ok i did some more searching including reading that big ass thing that you told me to read. i think i am gona go with ground control coil overs now. atleast they are alot better quality then Dropzone. i didn't think i had the money for the $400 ground controls but i do I THINK!!! i read some things about the AGX's and didn't find to much ppl saying they were bad! but ppl said there is better. but i have a FWD 1g. i don't have much of a choice but AGX's even if i did want other shocks. tokico doesn't make stock atleast from what i have been looking at. and i don't no if anybody else makes good shocks for my car. does anyone no of anybody???? so thanks again for helping me out.

 

[RU2SLOW?]

Just a little word of advice from someone who's been in your shoes:

GC coilovers and AGXs are a decent combo and a short term solution for many people, but DO NOT buy them and slam the GCs as low as they will go (or anywhere near that point) with those shocks and expect to have even a bearable ride. I've had the GC/AGX combo on my car for 3 yrs now and I despise it. If you want to go low for cheap do yourself a favor and go with Eibach Sportlines and Koni shocks, and save your money for a set of good coilovers- JIC or Tein. I've learned firsthand that you truly get what you pay for, and if you want the slammed look with a somewhat comfortable ride go with Teins SS setup- there is a thread on here in which another member emailed Tein and a rep from the company told him the 1G AWD model coilovers would work on a 1G fwd model. If you're going for track use and all-out overkill street setup go with JICs. However, if you buy the GCs and slam them (especially with AGXs) you're going to regret it after a while and want better, regardless of the price just like me (especially if PA roads are anywhere near CT roads). Good luck with your selection and let me know if you need anymore input...

 

[91talonontsi]

thanks man that is excatly what i was looking for. and if you could sent me that thread about the teins that would be nice. and of someone has the tein set up and have any pics of it can you post them on my thread. thanks. i am gona get a turbo car soon, i hope, i am kinda in the works with one. but it is a FWD turbo. but if the coilovers work on the FWD cars too ill def do that set up. becuase if i get the turbo car i want it to handle really good because of the power that it is gona have. see with my N/T car i was looking for just getting the car slammed you no just that look. i didn't really care about the ride. but sense i am gona have a high HP turbo car now i need something that will handle. so if someone has that set up i really want to see it.

 

[RU2SLOW?]

Here is the link to the thread I was making reference to:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104697

The email about Teins on a FWD is in there, and so is a link to someone's thread on another forum who has them on his AWD 1G (before and after pics included). I would have gone through and found each of them for you, but I have shitty 56K and it would have taken forever- the thread is like 8 pgs long. Be sure to read through all of the pgs when you get a chance though- it's by far the best, most informative suspension thread I've ever read on here. Good luck...

 

[turbotsi92]

I have the ground control with the kyb agx's. I like the setup, but I have never slammed my car. I have 18s, and I have the car sitting about and inch from the tire to the fender wells which puts the coilovers down about half way of what they are capable of. I put the front struts on 1 and the back on 2 for regular driving, and I think it rides nice. Turn the struts up any more than that though and it is rough, i mean rough, but almost everyones roads are better than West Virginia. I live only 15 minutes from PA line.

 

[91talonontsi]

yea i think you guys are right. i think i should go with the tein SS and koni set up. this is my everday driver and don't mind a harsh ride, hell im use to a harsh ride but i still want something that move and that i can corner with. this is not gona be anything like a track car i just want a everday driver that look pretty good and can corner and stuff. trust me i don't have to much money to spend on this car at this moment because im gona in the middle of building a 500hp taurus SHO. but i want my talon to look good as well, and perform a little to. because it is still gona be probably another year till my SHO is done.

 

[bigfoot]

When you drop a car you get less wheel travel as someone already stated. So you need to run much stiffer spring rates to keep the car from bottoming. AGX have poor high speed damping so they cant handle those high springs rates and the cause the car to bounce on even the slightest highway pavement junction. Koni Yellows are better, true coilovers with matched spring rates/valving are better still.