Huge Fmic!!!

[Tallen]

Originally posted by rubbersidedown
never said i was an expert. i only suggested a starion fmic in place of making a fmic out of four dsm stock smic. but didn't this thread die a long time ago?

starion is crap inless you basically get new endtanks. NPR IC is where its at. now i just need to find 1

 

[mlopez]

Someone got owned.

 

[rubbersidedown]

Originally posted by Tallen


starion is crap inless you basically get new endtanks. NPR IC is where its at. now i just need to find 1

ok.. so am i wrong in thinking that it would be easier and cheaper to weld new end tanks on a starion rather than make a fmic out of dsm smic's?

 

[MaineDSM]

Originally posted by rubbersidedown


ok.. so am i wrong in thinking that it would be easier and cheaper to weld new end tanks on a starion rather than make a fmic out of dsm smic's?

I've seen Starion IC's on a few DSMs. IMHO, they are tiny little ghetto fabulous toys that are not much better than stock. 2 Stock DSM smic's would kill, mutilate and destroy a Starion IC.

This guys custom setup makes a Starion IC look like a joke. What a great job he did. TurboTalon2, are you a professional welder? It looks better than some FMICs I've seen for sale.

 

[turbotalon92]

No, I wish I could weld like that. It was actually done at a local radiator shop!!!

 

[Awdboost]

It look cool but on paper I'll bet it flow bad.. With thous cores you'll see lot's of pressure drop and a smaller and better core would do better then a huge less efficient core in cooling and pressure drop. Cool idea but not as effective as a good core. There is no substitute for a good core. Simple as that. I'm not bashing just commenting on this, after all you would of never would of posted this if you did want us to comment.

 

[turbotalon92]

Again, you are just talking out of your ass. It does not have a problem with pressure drop. That is the reason it only goes though two cores at a time. Pay attention to details, it is not just one huge top to bottom. Forcing it through two cores at a time keeps the pressure up, why is that so hard to understand.

People hear all about pressure drop on a top to bottom and then they are experts on all the intercoolers ever made. All you haters, what intercooler are you running, and what times and how much horsepower do you make. Are you timeslips and dyno sheets posted on this site like mine?

Bwhahahah, can't argue with numbers

 

[Awdboost]

Talk out of my ass :laugh: I hate to break it to you, but think before you talk. A large FMIC has a bigger pressure drop because of the size of the FMIC, so the turbo need to work much harder. If you were to go and throw a more efficient core on you wouldn't have such a pressure drop and need such a large FMIC. It's just common sense.

 

[MaineDSM]

Originally posted by Awdboost
Talk out of my ass :laugh: I hate to break it to you, but think before you talk. A large FMIC has a bigger pressure drop because of the size of the FMIC, so the turbo need to work much harder. If you were to go and throw a more efficient core on you wouldn't have such a pressure drop and need such a large FMIC. It's just common sense.

The DESIGN of the intercooler has much more to do with pressure drop than the SIZE of the intercooler. A Top to bottom has less pressure drop than a side to side. However, a side to side often cools better. Then you have the actual design of the fins, inside the intercooler. More fins = more restriction but also more cooling. On a low-pressure Honda engine (5-8psi) you want less restriction and pressure drop. On a high boost engine like our DSMs, a more densely packed IC can be used, as pressure drop isn't as big, percentage-wise. For example, Greddy has a low-restriction V-Spec core for the Hondas, and R-Spec core for the DSM kit. They look the same on the outside, but the insides are a lot more packed with fins on the DSM FMIC.

Bottom line, you can't really just LOOK at a intercooler and know how well it will cool. If you can't get the specs, then the only real test is how well it works in the "real world".

Here is a page made by the late, great, Gus Mahon that tests a few stock ICs. It is just a pressure drop test, and says nothing about cooling efficiency, so don't read too much into it. http://www.gusmahon.org/html/cooler test.htm

Even though I think a Starion FMIC is ghetto, the fact is people have put them on, changed nothing else, and run a little faster. You can't argue with success.

 

[BoostinAWD]

Originally posted by Awdboost
Talk out of my ass :laugh: I hate to break it to you, but think before you talk. A large FMIC has a bigger pressure drop because of the size of the FMIC, so the turbo need to work much harder. If you were to go and throw a more efficient core on you wouldn't have such a pressure drop and need such a large FMIC. It's just common sense.

A reason why a BIGGER intercooler will have more pressure drop is because it does what we want it to do COOL the damn intake charge!!!!
That's why we use big intercoolers with big turbos. Not t25's, you guys need to think logically here.

Just say that intercooler even had 3 psi of pressure drop on a turbo say a green or frank lvl 5, and you are getting 20psi at the gauge. Factoring the loss from the intercooler and piping you would maybe be getting 25psi max from the turbo outlet. Which is probably more in those turbo's efficiency ranges than 20psi. So in fact they are NOT heating the air up to super hot temps like you people are thinking..

I swear some people are way to narrow minded when it comes to things like this. Not everyone is running 14b's and t25's.

 

[Addict]

I say nice work. INNOVATION.

And the guy says the pressure drop is minimal. Why can't anyone just go with it? I just saw one of his dynos. He's pushing high 300hp. Aparently its working pretty good.

Good job.

 

[turbotalon92]

Actually, my last dyno was 415 whp. Check all the dyno sheets in the gallery.

According to AWDboost, the larger turbo you use, the smaller intercooler you need, maybe I should just eliminate the intercooler altogether.

 

[GaRn]

Originally posted by rubbersidedown
So next time you wanna set someone straight, then at least do it in a respectable manner instead of jumping in a talking shit, and on top of it you still haven't stopped talking shit. Anyway, i'm done.

hmm jumping in a talking shit? did you mean "and"..

since your the english professor here at dsmtuners, i expect your english "mechanics," technique, conjugation, and citation to be comparable to the equilibrium of the sphericle superinflation.. another words you should capatilize after a period, using correct punctuation, and just plain quit being a homosexual post correcting whore.. thanks, have a nice day!

ps. be sure and look over every word to make sure i spelled it correctly, etc. and remind me that i did so, instead of staying on topic(like i just did)..

.. and dont take it serious bud..

 

[rubbersidedown]

no offense taken. i'm just suprised you took the time to dig that up in a thread that died a long time ago. insulting people is fun. i admit it i only try and jump on people that just straight out butcher the english language... other times i do it because i'm bored.

 

[rubbersidedown]

Originally posted by GaRn

since your the english professor...

i just noticed this after i posted my reply and so i thought i'd go back and throw this in. it's "you're" not "your". i truthfully wasn't looking for any mistakes but it just caught my eye and so i couldn't just let it slide by.

 

[GaRn]

hahahaha! atleast you can take a little fun and not get all serious about it.. damn, i need to go back to high school

i musta found this thread through search? who knows..

 

[RuBiCaNT5X]

Guys, enough of the argueing. You are going to get this thread locked, use the PM if you want to yell at each other.

 

[rubbersidedown]

nah man, we aren't argueing. just f'n around. Besides who cares if the thread gets locked. What kind of useful info has it provided? None. Except that you can use four saab smic's to make one huge one.

 

[EuroGSTSpyder]

Originally posted by rubbersidedown
nah man, we aren't argueing. just f'n around. Besides who cares if the thread gets locked. What kind of useful info has it provided? None. Except that you can use four saab smic's to make one huge one.

To me it contains proof of the fact hat you can try something new and make it work.Not everybody has to like it or agree but it still gives ideas to other that might be thinking of doing something similar but doesnt know if it will work..now they know

Ppl have always been afraid of things they dont know..this is a good example of that....

To the guy who did this FMIC...:

Good job and keep up trying new stuff!!!!!

PS: And I t hought my new PSI StreetCore FMIC was big....geeez!! **

 

[SoCaliEclipse]

awdboost....I'm not trying to flame or piss you off so don't take me wrong here, but you don't seem to be getting the concept of what this guy is doing. Instead of flowing the air through all 4 cores, it is split and only running through two each. This was done to minimize pressure drop. I am by no means an IC expert, but this makes complete sense to me and I think its a very creative idea. If he WERE flowing the air straight through all four then you would be 100% correct on pressure drop and inneficient flow issues. But that's not how he's running it. Like I said, I'm not trying to piss you off, just pointing out something that I noticed.

turbotalon92: props on the ingenuity...very clever. I wish I had a setup like yours.... I like my FWD for freeway pulls and now I am trying to find a way to get traction. I am only going for low 12's but still, I dont have the traction that I need to run that. Sorry to get off-topic, but how do you like your phantom grip LSD? Any special thoughts or reviews for it? If you want, you can PM me so we don't piss off the mods, thanks man. And once again, props on your tight ride!

Regards,
Brian

 

[focusedrage]

shut up... enough with the arguing, and what not, i firmly belive that numbers tell the tale, HE HAS THE NUMBERS, you cant talk about that... anyway very cool, and big

recently i have been becoming more a fan of custom work, rather than bending over and spending big money, i know he didnt weld it, but man, if i had to choose a group of people for like and expedition to mars or new zealand or somthing... i would totaly bring a master aluminum welder