HP w/ PortFueler and 20G at 15psi

[99 gs iowa]

### kind of numbers can i expect to get off the hahn port fueler with a 20g?

 

[Slo2gen]

One hundred million......



bazinga!

 

[99 gs iowa]

One hundred million......



bazinga!

ha i want a serious answer at 15psi, so i know somewhat were all be at

 

[jpmxrider489]

There's a bench racing thread for this. But you need to tell us more. I would say 500hp estimate. But you need fuel upgrades and dsmlink.

 

[Alan11]

Dsmlink on a 420a??
I can only estimate is that your engine needs forged internals in order for it to handle 15 psi...and a good tune..
Its really hard to get big numbers on a 420a, its possible though. Good luck.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

ha i want a serious answer at 15psi, so i know somewhat were all be at

Why don't you figure it out yourself? The information is out there. You can work backward using the equations to figure out what kind of power you'll be making. The PortFueler won't be your limiting factor.

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[VelocitàPaola]

Dsmlink on a 420a??

Doesn't exist.

I can only estimate is that your engine needs forged internals in order for it to handle 15 psi...and a good tune..

PSI isn't a measure of power, nor is it directly related to power.

Its really hard to get big numbers on a 420a, its possible though. Good luck.

False.

 

[jpmxrider489]

Sorry I was on my phone. I didnt realize you had a 420a. But you would have to have good internals to make that power. Its alot easier on the 4g63. Have you considered a better spooling turbo?

 

[Alan11]

Doesn't exist.


PSI isn't a measure of power, nor is it directly related to power.


False.

Ok.. so 15psi equals to how much hp? The op is asking for power according to "15" psi... and I will correct my second statement.. its expensive to make high numbers on a 420a. when I say high numbers I say over 500hp..

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Ok.. so 15psi equals to how much hp?

You missed the point. PSI doesn't translate into HP.

 

[jpmxrider489]

Guy did 270 on 14psi. Its all in the dyno challenge. I would read up alot on that turbo. You can browse through the challenge and see the psi and mods in there profile. That would give you a estimate.

DSM Dyno Challenge - 20g

 

[Alan11]

You missed the point. PSI doesn't translate into HP.

Yes I understand everything depends on the turbo setup.. you can have two different setups, and the one with less psi may have more power. What I am trying to say is that we can't really know how much hp it can have with only psi right?? I have a hard time putting my thoughts in words. Lol

 

[VelocitàPaola]

What I am trying to say is that we can't really know how much hp it can have with only psi right?? I have a hard time putting my thoughts in words. Lol

Correct. It all depends on flow rate, not pressure. The OP could get a ballpark figure by seeing how much power other 2.0L engines made with the same turbo at 15psi, though.

 

[jpmxrider489]

Correct. It all depends on flow rate, not pressure. The OP could get a ballpark figure by seeing how much power other 2.0L engines made with the same turbo at 15psi, though.

Something like this guy.

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[powellds2]

Just sell your 420a and a gs-t or gsx... , jk. I would say 270ish is in the ballpark. But it's all in the tuning really, and supporting mods. You can have the exact same parts, but have a crap tune and your car would be extremely weak.

 

[99 gs iowa]

already have a fully belt motor and all the fuel upgrades and am just in the process of breaking in the new motor for 1500 miles before i throw on the s20g an all the rest of the turbo set up, was just wanting to see what some other guys might have put down with this set up or a similar one. i tried searching an could not find any good answers. and if i wanted a 4g63 i would have bought an evolution

 

[powellds2]

I'm rockin the 16g with the pf right now to see what I can get out of it... I've got meth injection with it, so I'm excited to see how it goes... Curious to see if/when I need to start pulling timing with the water/meth.

 

[99 gs iowa]

I'm rockin the 16g with the pf right now to see what I can get out of it... I've got meth injection with it, so I'm excited to see how it goes... Curious to see if/when I need to start pulling timing with the water/meth.

as far as i know anything after 15 psi you got to start doing timing

 

[powellds2]

Yes, but with the water/meth it should change due to octane increase and the cooling effects.

 

[99 gs iowa]

Yes, but with the water/meth it should change due to octane increase and the cooling effects.

i have no idea on that, all though sounds like your build is like mine.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Why would you need to pull timing when spraying water/meth?

as far as i know anything after 15 psi you got to start doing timing

WTF

I think you both have some more research ahead of you.

 

[powellds2]

Why would you need to pull timing when spraying water/meth?



WTF

I think you both have some more research ahead of you.

Well, I think before you post, you should read more. I didn't say I would need to pull timing, I said at some point up in the boost range, I'm even wondering if I'll need to pull any timing with the water/meth. So, Mr. High and Mighty, please take your condescending attitude and kindly shove it up your ass..... Also, I must add, did you get my pm with my 12.xx second time slip from my near stock srt-4? Why don't you do some reading...... There are guys pulling 11's on the stock Td04..... Or is that still nonsense too ? Do you just spend your day thinking about how you "think" you're superior to other people.......?? Here I'll just throw this in here for you and your special friends since you called bs on me in the other post that got locked before I could respond... This srt-4 actually has LESS bolt ons than I did... That's Nick, from Realtune's car. Yes, because 14's really do = 12's on the internet....I mean 11's Oh, and this is an old record btw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkGDvcgK7EI Still bs though probably huh?

 

[99 gs iowa]

Why would you need to pull timing when spraying water/meth?



WTF

I think you both have some more research ahead of you.

then correct me on what i have said wrong?

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

I'm rockin the 16g with the pf right now to see what I can get out of it... I've got meth injection with it, so I'm excited to see how it goes... Curious to see if/when I need to start pulling timing with the water/meth.

That is your exact quote. If you meant something else, that is your failure to convey your thoughts via the english language. Its not the audience's fault that you cannot articulate what you mean.

And as far as your SRT4s.. hooray a couple exceptions to the well known rule that the vast majority of kids on the internet make up their 1/4 times.

Especially in the SRT4 crowd.

It's like everyone who claims 12's or high 11s on a 14B 1G.. they are few and far between and certainly not to the norm. So unbunch your panties and get realistic.

I am far from the only person who shares that well-founded sentiment either

as far as i know anything after 15 psi you got to start doing timing

You need to tune the whole map across a wide load range when you are making VE modifications.. especially major modifications.

Why would you wait till you've got effectively double the previously available charge pressure that would otherwise be available?

If this is your first foray into actual tuning, or you are new, there is no reason to be upset or surprised when someone is correcting you and recommending further research.

For example: There is work to be done on stock 1G Turbo timing and fuel maps at STOCK boost levels, which is why one of the first mods you should do on a 4g63 DSM after maintainence and installing a wideband is Link/ECUFlash/MS/AEM etc..

The same goes for Stock 420As though, likely not as severe as the near-suicidal map that comes loaded with the 1Gs.

This would be especially true for someone looking to retrofit a medium frame turbo like a 20G to a motor and ECU that were never intended for a turbo, is this sinking in yet? And you want to run 1 bar boost as well. How is this shocking?

These all lead me to my conclusion, as I have been doing this, with success for approaching a decade on a variety of platforms... you both have a ton of research ahead.



When it comes to adding meth to a previous setup you have had success with.. you are using the meth to both cool the charge and up the effective octane to run a more aggressive tune.

If you are running meth injection and pull timing all you are doing is sending your EGTs through the roof and slowing the car down, unless you have cranked the boost simultaneously and leaned out as well.

 

[powellds2]

That is your exact quote. If you meant something else, that is your failure to convey your thoughts via the english language. Its not the audience's fault that you cannot articulate what you mean.

And as far as your SRT4s.. hooray a couple exceptions to the well known rule that the vast majority of kids on the internet make up their 1/4 times.

Especially in the SRT4 crowd.

It's like everyone who claims 12's or high 11s on a 14B 1G.. they are few and far between and certainly not to the norm. So unbunch your panties and get realistic.

I am far from the only person who shares that well-founded sentiment either



You need to tune the whole map across a wide load range when you are making VE modifications.. especially major modifications.

Why would you wait till you've got effectively double the previously available charge pressure that would otherwise be available?

If this is your first foray into actual tuning, or you are new, there is no reason to be upset or surprised when someone is correcting you and recommending further research.

For example: There is work to be done on stock 1G Turbo timing and fuel maps at STOCK boost levels, which is why one of the first mods you should do on a 4g63 DSM after maintainence and installing a wideband is Link/ECUFlash/MS/AEM etc..

The same goes for Stock 420As though, likely not as severe as the near-suicidal map that comes loaded with the 1Gs.

This would be especially true for someone looking to retrofit a medium frame turbo like a 20G to a motor and ECU that were never intended for a turbo, is this sinking in yet? And you want to run 1 bar boost as well. How is this shocking?

These all lead me to my conclusion, as I have been doing this, with success for approaching a decade on a variety of platforms... you both have a ton of research ahead.



When it comes to adding meth to a previous setup you have had success with.. you are using the meth to both cool the charge and up the effective octane to run a more aggressive tune.

If you are running meth injection and pull timing all you are doing is sending your EGTs through the roof and slowing the car down, unless you have cranked the boost simultaneously and leaned out as well.

Ahem, well if you're done trying to make your self sound intelligent.........
I said, if/when I'll even need to pull timing. Do YOU know what boost level I plan to run? What type of meth setup I have? The answer is no.... So, I won't even address most of what you said since it doesn't even apply.... As far as using an ecu that wasn't made for boost, the portfueler takes care of all of the tuning while in boost.....And it's a well known fact that past 15psi with stock timing the car will knock with a reasonable afr. So, basically...... Hooray for your knowledge with the 1g and 2g 4g6x motors, this is the 420a forum. Please take your superior complex back to the 4g63 section of this forum and quit trying to make yourself sound better than everyone else..... As far as your ignorant comment about my srt in this post and the other one you made, you called bs on something you didn't know shit about. You don't know me, and you don't know what I've done with my cars, so don't spout off like you know anything..... Like I said in my pm too, please refrain from making your condescending comments until you can learn to tell the difference between your asshole and your elbow...

Edit: did you think I was pulling timing with the water/meth at 15psi?? Because I never said that.....