How big of a stall will i need with the set up im running

[Boostcreepgsx]

Im interested to know what size stall id need for a small 16g, but also keeping in mind that im gonna be putting in cams, and tring to keep it some what streatable. I havent ran my car at the track since i put the turbo in, but with the stock one my 60'ft times sucked. Please help me out if you can.

 

[14.5 drift]

First get your cams installed as that will be a factor to what stall will be right for your car.

 

[98TalonTSi]

Where does your peak torque begin....I'd say an IPT cutom restall around 3800-4000 should do you good. Because of my brakes, I stall at 37-3800 and build 18 psi in a split second, and you can see my mod list for reference....

 

[14.5 drift]

4k for a 16g? I wouldn't go that high if I were gonna keep it for a daily driver. The ideal setting for a TC should be so that you have 80 percent of your torque off the line. Basically you need to set your car up and dyno it to get a good idea of where your powerband is after your mods, not before.

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

I had a restalled level 10 TC and i could build about 3100 rpms and could see about 10 psi on my boost gauge... yeah a 3500+ is too much for a small 16g.. I would say about 3200 for a nice streetable ride.

 

[98TalonTSi]

I notice zero difference as far as streetability goes. I too thought it would be crappy, and thought that getting to the stall speed that the car would kind of feel sluggish. But, I was totally wrong. And I dynoed my car, check my mods for reference, the torque curve started to plateau around 3800 and truly peaked at 6000. I have cams, so take off 300 rpms and then your still at 3500 where it would start to plateau. Also remember there are many factors which attribute to your stall speed. A restall is more of an educated guess and a cross your fingers type of deal. It's guaranteed to be looser, but that's it. Also, do you think a difference of 200 rpms, say from 3100 to 3300 would make a difference? Not really, however going from 3100 to 3800 is huge.
In any situation, no matter what converter or what stall speed, even though a restall and guess stall speed is not perfectly matched for your specific setup, it's better than the stocker.
Mike

 

[transdude]

In my limited experience, it seems that 3800+ RPMs works well with a 16G.

Anyone who thinks that a stall speed that high is unstreetable didn't get the unit from me- there are a lot of inefficient converters on the market so buyer beware.

I'm not here to pimp my products- I just want to add to the conversation that none of my customers ever reported ANY difference in streetability with our converters.

BTW, I noticed that someone said that their restalled converter was only going to 3100 RPMs- that sounds like a stock converter to me.

-John

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

In my limited experience, it seems that 3800+ RPMs works well with a 16G.

Anyone who thinks that a stall speed that high is unstreetable didn't get the unit from me- there are a lot of inefficient converters on the market so buyer beware.

I'm not here to pimp my products- I just want to add to the conversation that none of my customers ever reported ANY difference in streetability with our converters.

BTW, I noticed that someone said that their restalled converter was only going to 3100 RPMs- that sounds like a stock converter to me.

-John

That be my $hitty LEvel 10 one.. :thumbdown .It broke on me anyways so i got a stock converter at the moment..But once i get enough loot gonna get an IPT billet converter with at least a 3800 stall.

 

[98TalonTSi]

And that's what John means by shitty insufficient converters on the market.
I for one have the IPT unit from John...let's just say it's like a drug...now I can't wait to run his 9.5" billet unit.
Mike

 

[theboogieman]

My stall is around 3800 as well and works fine for around town and city driving. I also thought at first this would be too much for daily driving and I would get smacked someday trying to make it across the street!
But there really is not that much of a noticable difference to me. Yes some, very minor as maybe a little bit more throttle, but not enough that it make driving a pain, not even in the least bit AT ALL. And I do have this as a daily driver as it is my only transportation other than the wife's truck. The few times she has driven the car to work she has not had any problems either....and this trip is all up hill and she drives slow...God it kills me when she drives!!
Anyhow, this is on a small 16g and it is no problems as I said. I am very happy with the remanned convertor from IPT and I too will also be switching to their billet convertor next summer if the funds allow....but for now their basic convertor has done me well for a low and mid 12's. Of course I expect even better results from this same convertor with the turbo and cam upgrade.
Obviously I am no expert, just my experience with a "higher than normal" stall and it has been fine. It is always a plus though if you know the power you are putting down. I am happy though cause I already knew a turbo upgrade would be around the bend soon.
Good luck.
Leo

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

What is the difference bewteen a custom stall and the 9.5 billet one..I always thought the billet one was just made so u could stall like 4 grand... Also I know u guys got the full ipt rebuild and seems they are proven to hold on ur guys setup but it looks like all you guys dont have anything bigger than a 16g. I have not seen a Auto dsm with the full ipt treatment running a big ass turbo and puttin lots of hp to the ground..I know russ coxe but i have talked to him b4 and he has his tranny pulled out like every 15 runs he does and replaces fluid and filters etc..So just my question is IPT trannys have been proven on cars that put down 16g power but can it handle lets say FP30s or 50 trims or bigger?

 

[theboogieman]

What is the difference bewteen a custom stall and the 9.5 billet one..I always thought the billet one was just made so u could stall like 4 grand... Also I know u guys got the full ipt rebuild and seems they are proven to hold on ur guys setup but it looks like all you guys dont have anything bigger than a 16g. I have not seen a Auto dsm with the full ipt treatment running a big ass turbo and puttin lots of hp to the ground..I know russ coxe but i have talked to him b4 and he has his tranny pulled out like every 15 runs he does and replaces fluid and filters etc..So just my question is IPT trannys have been proven on cars that put down 16g power but can it handle lets say FP30s or 50 trims or bigger?

I plan to go with a 50 trim so when this happens I will post up results but it might be awhile.

As for Russ's tranny, yes he changes the filters/gasket and fluids after so many runs BUT since he has been with IPT it hasn't been torn down to replace broken tranny "parts", jammed valve body springs, burnt steels, etc.....just the basic maintanence like you said...but e has always done this.
Him and I spoke at the S.O and couple weeks afterwards and discussed the work from IPT among many things and he is more than happy with this IPT setup so far. I wanted to see how he like the new trans setup as well since he is putting down those high HP numbers and low ETs. On his old set up and use of parts he would have to replace parts frequently.
I remember they had tore Russ's tranny from IPT down one time after a weekend of racing just for "shits and giggles" to see what the guts looked like and EVERYTHING was still perfecto!! Now any other time Russ would usually have to put in various new parts. Even when by the grace of God if nothing did break on the old set up the parts usually had to be replaced anyhow or more than likely the next time out they would fail.
There are much better clutches/steels and other performance transmission parts out there than what is used by most companies building our trannies. IPT has sourced these part and that is what goes in their trannies. Might not find out or get told the brand name (understandable) but they definitely are better than the "standard" upgrade packages out there.

Leo

 

[98TalonTSi]

Well said....I don't expect to have any problems with John's trans ever.
Mike