Highest Rev's on the stock Engine.

[ItsStockOfficer]

, you idiot THATS NOT STOCK!

Your not capable of maintaing this level of conversation. My engine is stock.

Turbo.Intake. != Engine

Go learn about cars somewhere.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

oh my GOD... are you people ####ing DUMB?!?!?! I NEVER SAID IT WOULDNT DO IT!!!!! I JUST SAID IT ISN'T 100% SAFE FOR EVERYONE TO DO!!!!!!!
I could care less what everyone thinks, telling people with stock motors that it's safe to rev to 9k is Bad Advice. Remember, not everyone assumes that "STOCK MOTOR" = stock longblock with a big turbo and cams.

Show me where I gave Bad Advice.

officer: "I don't build engines". Thank you. I do. I've been building them since you were in diapers. Experience Speaks. I'll leave it at that.

mirage: How do you properly break in an engine? Oh that's right, you don't know how to. :laugh:
Why am I a dumbass? Because I called you out on something you didn't know about? :laugh:

And I have been racing this particular engine for many years. Experiance speaks, and yours is not application specific.

Nothing you have said applies to this particular engine. I sure there are plenty of engines that won't go safely over their rev limiter, but you claim its 100% of them without having tested it. Stupid.

 

[pinknuggit]

Man, the more I read that and realize your entire arguement is based on quoting "common sense" and personal attacks with no experiance with this engine....the more amusing it becomes. You would be making the EXACT SAME arguement about any engine with a 7k redline regardless of your personal experiance or knowledge about the platform! Idiot!

It IS common sense. Piston velocity, rotational vibrations, rod/stroke ratio are NOT PLATFORM SPECIFIC. That's the way ALL Engines work. You can't argue with physics.
Just like a D16 honda. Redline is 7k. They have a shorter gear system in the oil pump, and people who rev them up to 8-9k starve their bearings of oil and lock the motor up.

 

[pinknuggit]

Nothing you have said applies to this particular engine. I sure there are plenty of engines that won't go safely over their rev limiter, but you claim its 100% of them without having tested it. Stupid.

Show me where I claimed that. I claimed that its NOT 100% SAFE!!!!!!!!!

 

[pinknuggit]

And I have been racing this particular engine for many years. Experiance speaks, and yours is not application specific.

I've dissasembled and inspected more 4g63's than years you've been alive. I've found as much as 5 grams of difference in 3 rods on a single engine before.
For Christ sake, you 're only 20. "Many years" = 2 years? :laugh:

 

[RipperXX]

Your not capable of maintaing this level of conversation. My engine is stock.

Turbo.Intake. != Engine

Go learn about cars somewhere.

Last time I checked cams are part of the engine

Also then are you telling me you could race the car in any stock class with the mods you listed in the last page. Yea thats what I thought.



All everyone is saying is you can't safely do it in a stock engine. Im very sure you could get away with it for a while, but that doesn't make it safe.

 

[pinknuggit]

Your not capable of maintaing this level of conversation. My engine is stock.

Turbo.Intake. != Engine

Go learn about cars somewhere.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
yeah.. a turbo is an engine.

 

[dls93tsi]

ok, i dont mean to be a prick or nethin...but you guys are arguing like a bunch of 6 year old girls who cant decide whos barbie is prettier....STFU and get back on topic...i dont care which one of you knows more about your own car i want info about the topic...so please can we stop the pissing contest and talk about rpms again?

 

[bastarddsm]

goddamn! all of you shut up. this is three pages of nonsense. the thread was a simple question if reving it to 9k was going to hurt it. THE ANSWER IS MOST LIKLY NOT. my car has seen way past 9k many times and i am on the 14b

pinknuggit: QUIT TALKING ABOUT HONDA'S. NOONE CARES.

what is going to get hurt by over revving an engine. rotating assembly and vavles. what causes that weak rod's/ crank/ valve springs. not turbo, intake, cams. so the parts that are in question are stock in ItsStockOfficer's car

with that said all of you go get off your rag, quit crying and post somthing inteligent.

 

[pinknuggit]

You can't talk about high revving engines without mentioning honda.



I'm gonna end this with:
Everyone's opinion on what a "stock" motor is differes greatly.




p.s. My barbie is the prettiest.

 

[JoeWagon]

When you are talking about how many RPM an engine can handle, a turbo doesn't matter at all. pinknuggit is just looking for something to argue about. You can't have a conversation with a 3 year old, and that's the moral of this thread.

 

[bastarddsm]

i gotta honda 4stroke dirtbike it is all stock andi turn it 13.5k all the time but what the hell does this have to do with me turning my dsm 9k. nothing

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
yeah.. a turbo is an engine.

God you are dumb

!= != =, idiot

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

Last time I checked cams are part of the engine

Also then are you telling me you could race the car in any stock class with the mods you listed in the last page. Yea thats what I thought.



All everyone is saying is you can't safely do it in a stock engine. Im very sure you could get away with it for a while, but that doesn't make it safe.

Thats not what everyone is saying, thats what pinknuggit is saying. Everysingle person in this thread who has done it has gotten away with it safely, as well as alot fo other people who agree with me but think nuggits to dumb to talk too.


As for racing in a stock class, you clearly don't understand class division in competitive drag racing....and it has nothing to do with the matter at hand. The arguementation is about engine blanace and valve springs. I never claimed to have anythign esle stock, just a stock long block + cams. And my high lift/high duration cams....while making it EASIER to get to high rpms, make it MORE dangerous. For the sake of this arguement, the fact the engine can handle them at 9k is a mark in my favor.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

It IS common sense. Piston velocity, rotational vibrations, rod/stroke ratio are NOT PLATFORM SPECIFIC. That's the way ALL Engines work. You can't argue with physics.
Just like a D16 honda. Redline is 7k. They have a shorter gear system in the oil pump, and people who rev them up to 8-9k starve their bearings of oil and lock the motor up.

Yeah, and that all applies to balanced as well as stock engines. You remind me alot of George Bush. You didn't actually say anything.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

I've dissasembled and inspected more 4g63's than years you've been alive. I've found as much as 5 grams of difference in 3 rods on a single engine before.
For Christ sake, you 're only 20. "Many years" = 2 years? :laugh:

So Have I. You like to think every machinist in the country knows more about DSM's then those of us who have owned 4, work on them for a living, swapped more then I care to think about...and have dissassembled more engines then years we have been alive?

Nope, application specific knowledge is important, but all you can talk about is Jeep and Honda engines with no practical experiance. You = Lose.

 

[pinknuggit]

:laugh:
You've owned 4 cars, and swapped out alot of motors. You're only 20 years old kid. You've been driving dsm's since what... 16.. maybe 17? That is Alot of experience.. Like I said, i've torn down and built more 4g63's than years you've been alive.
You can't know everything about an engine without ever seeing the inside of one.

Will you let it go? I'll stop trying to prove my point about safety to you if you will stop trying to call me dumb.

I am soooo sorry for trying to prove my point. I'm going to give bad advice in every thread I post in now. Thank you.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

Will you let it go?

I am soooo sorry for trying to prove my point. I'm going to give bad advice in every thread I post in now. Thank you.

I forgive you. Next time you have a point, have evidence to back it up. This will make less people think you are dumb.

Also "!=" means does not equal. I recomeend post junior high education.

GL on learning about cars! Start with yours!

Sean

 

[pinknuggit]

Please quit insinuating that I know nothing about cars. I've been building engines since before you were born.

Yes, becuase the more you mill the head, the lower your compression gets.

haha!!!

Nice to see you found pictures of my car the day I brought it home. I've got more pictures of it like that on the trailer too if you want to see?

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

You are now finding jokes and clearly qouting them out of context. Good for you. Do you have to try to be so stupid or is it natural? Did you car fall out of that tree in the background?

What I actually said:

Originally Posted by AMS97EclipseGSX
I have 8.8:1, I'm sure the compression is actually with 8.5:1 with the head milled. I would say stay with what you got it is fine. Stock 2g compression is 8.5:1 and I have seen a lot of fast 1G's on 2G stock pistons. You will make good power on the 8.5:1 pistons.


[sarcasm]
Yes, becuase the more you mill the head, the lower your compression gets. I am definitley all for getting tuning advice from AMS![/sarcasm]

He responded

"Actually I mistakenly stated that. The head being milled would make the compression higher. My fault for the bad info there. So really I would guess my compression to be up around 9:1, but still besides the point, 8.5:1 compression is fine, You can and will make good power on those parts. That is the least of your worries. Stick with what you got, get it tuned and see what happens."


So you see what i meant, or at least everyone else does. im sure Mitsubishi engineers working on Jeep motors for Honda swaps would have also been confused. im not insinuating shit, Im telling you flat out you are making blanket statements about an engine in a situation that you have no experiance with, and is therefore NULL, while I have thousand of miles, nultiple engines, and hundreds of passes in the specific situation.

 

[pinknuggit]

Haha! whatever!

There's a few in-progress pics of my car. I'm not done with it yet.

I thought I might throw in a pic of the inside of my motor (also not done yet). Figured you might need a chance to actually look inside a 4g63 since you work on them for a living.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

There's a few in-progress pics of my car. I'm not done with it yet.

I thought I might throw in a pic of the inside of my motor (also not done yet). Figured you might need a chance to actually look inside a 4g63 since you work on them for a living.

If you can't read the thread, why should I explain it to you? i thought I misunderstood him becuase he phrased it oddly, but it turned out I had understood him fine. Try to keep up redneck.

Yes, you're clearly a genius, do you often remove balance shafts but leve the balance shaft tensioner pulley on the front case?

I like how you painted it ford blue though. I bet that gets alot of women BFE, Missouri.

 

[98TsiAWD]

This thread got retarded.