Hey Guys, New Here!

[r3dDSM]

Hey Guys hows it going? Alright here I'm about to purchase a 2g DSM, 98 GS-T with 56k miles, all stock just missing the radio... dealer claimed the seller removed a custom radio before tradeing, which is believable. Car appears to be in good order, clean clean clean engine bay no signs of wear or bad seals, leaks etc. I'm coming from a 2005 Pontiac GTO, going for a diff approach now somthing new, never dealt with FI before always N/A, had my goat cammed full bolt on etc. except for heads. Ive searched on here at a few starting Mods.... Radio gonna be the first . But I was gonna go with Megan Racing 3" downpipe, after market blow off valve, custom 3" exhaust either straight piped or a muffler of my choosing (open to personal recomendations for flow/sound) Cold air intake and possibly the 02 sensor piece. Next would be a boost controller and a fuel pump. So now for the serious question, can 300whp be achieved with the stock turbo? I'm sure it would probably be close to maxed out at that power but can it be done, and be done safely? dont wanna blow this thing up.... yet. I know it'l be different coming from a 435rwhp car but I'm sure itl be a new experience and fun, gonna get my rice on so to speak! VTECH YO!!! jp jp jp *flamesuit on*

 

[clipser-gs-t]

300 . Not even close. They call the ol' t-25 a t-2small for a good reason. It's a paperweight.

 

[Rsawd95dsm]

Make sure you recirclulate the BOV because its an engine killer!

 

[r3dDSM]

Bigger snail needed...
New computer desk decoration... Think I'm in luck .

 

[Turbotsiawd]

I wouldn't buy an exhaust or other small parts yet. get dsm link (600 new)IT should be the first thing you
Get cause it makes all the mods you get down the road that much better.

 

[greanbeans]

i have a dsm link and i havent had the chance to use it yet but when i do ill be glad that i had it now then later on after i would have fried the motor again or something. i know i would need something better then a safc or something similar. not saying that you cant really get by on something like those but like he said and i agree the money you spend on the tuning software the less you have to spend later on a new engine or rebuild parts

 

[preludeachris]

Hey Guys hows it going? Alright here I'm about to purchase a 2g DSM, 98 GS-T with 56k miles, all stock just missing the radio... dealer claimed the seller removed a custom radio before tradeing, which is believable. Car appears to be in good order, clean clean clean engine bay no signs of wear or bad seals, leaks etc. I'm coming from a 2005 Pontiac GTO, going for a diff approach now somthing new, never dealt with FI before always N/A, had my goat cammed full bolt on etc. except for heads. Ive searched on here at a few starting Mods.... Radio gonna be the first . But I was gonna go with Megan Racing 3" downpipe, after market blow off valve, custom 3" exhaust either straight piped or a muffler of my choosing (open to personal recomendations for flow/sound) Cold air intake and possibly the 02 sensor piece. Next would be a boost controller and a fuel pump. So now for the serious question, can 300whp be achieved with the stock turbo? I'm sure it would probably be close to maxed out at that power but can it be done, and be done safely? dont wanna blow this thing up.... yet. I know it'l be different coming from a 435rwhp car but I'm sure itl be a new experience and fun, gonna get my rice on so to speak! VTECH YO!!! jp jp jp *flamesuit on*

Engine management should be your first mod...you cant start slapping on parts and expecting to make power like your N/A days the boosted world is a whole new world trust me i come from the N/A too.. the best way to make power SAFELY is to tune your new supporting mods and to make sure your engine is running healthy...also "to tune" is nothing to shake a stick at... so to speak ....I personally just starting tuning with ECMlink and its been an adventure ... basically what im trying to say here is dont make the mistake of thinking you can jump into a "tuner car" slap on a few parts and start whipping GTO's the guys you see making 300 400+ horsepower have been doing this for a bit they put a lot of time money and effort to get where they are now...dare i say much more so than the v8 guys but ya iv said my peace hope you go through with it and make sure to take your time read and learn everything you can and most of all enjoy the ride and have fun!!!

 

[r3dDSM]

Engine management should be your first mod...you cant start slapping on parts and expecting to make power like your N/A days the boosted world is a whole new world trust me i come from the N/A too.. the best way to make power SAFELY is to tune your new supporting mods and to make sure your engine is running healthy...also "to tune" is nothing to shake a stick at... so to speak ....I personally just starting tuning with ECMlink and its been an adventure ... basically what im trying to say here is dont make the mistake of thinking you can jump into a "tuner car" slap on a few parts and start whipping GTO's the guys you see making 300 400+ horsepower have been doing this for a bit they put a lot of time money and effort to get where they are now...dare i say much more so than the v8 guys but ya iv said my peace hope you go through with it and make sure to take your time read and learn everything you can and most of all enjoy the ride and have fun!!!

Thanks for the input, nah I dont think I can just slap on a few parts and go haha. Even with my goat it suffered increadily without the tuneing. I rode it for a week on stock tune when I first installed LT's and after a while it would almost flood itself out at idle running to rich then it would lean waaaay out up top. So bad that when I did tune and slap'er to the dyno I picked up 67lbs rwtq from the tune . I understand how important tuning is. And most people that do make good power with these cars have been at it for a while, dont have to tell me I'm not the average meat head muscle car guy that thinks because I got 8 cylinders im better. I respect all cars that are fast even if I per say dont like them . I hate a fox body mustang but most of them you see at the track are impressive to say the least. I figure my MAX end build goal would be in the 400whp range, with anywhere from 250-300whp with my first batch of mods this year. Ive already seen the tons of information on this forum and il use it to my advantage. And all these guys thats been around for so long, just to my advantage so I can learn from'em. and besides, I've always loved the 2g eclipse looks, just wished I coulda found one 5 years ago when I was originally looking.

 

[preludeachris]

Thanks for the input, nah I dont think I can just slap on a few parts and go haha. Even with my goat it suffered increadily without the tuneing. I rode it for a week on stock tune when I first installed LT's and after a while it would almost flood itself out at idle running to rich then it would lean waaaay out up top. So bad that when I did tune and slap'er to the dyno I picked up 67lbs rwtq from the tune . I understand how important tuning is. And most people that do make good power with these cars have been at it for a while, dont have to tell me I'm not the average meat head muscle car guy that thinks because I got 8 cylinders im better. I respect all cars that are fast even if I per say dont like them . I hate a fox body mustang but most of them you see at the track are impressive to say the least. I figure my MAX end build goal would be in the 400whp range, with anywhere from 250-300whp with my first batch of mods this year. Ive already seen the tons of information on this forum and il use it to my advantage. And all these guys thats been around for so long, just to my advantage so I can learn from'em. and besides, I've always loved the 2g eclipse looks, just wished I coulda found one 5 years ago when I was originally looking.

Thats good sounds like you have the right mind set...good luck buddie

 

[fosforito95]

thats awesome that your coming from the muscle side but good luck with the build and hp goal

 

[lumberjackracing]

Welcome to the site take your time and do the build right and you'll love it. If you cut corners and slap parts on it you will have nothing but a headache.

 

[FLASH1970]

First do your maintenance. Replace the timing belt, make sure all belts are good, flush fluids, check ball joints... You have a 98 so I'd search for "Ceddymods" on this site. If your ECU is flashable you might get away with a full tuning & datalogging setup for just over 200 bucks. Throwing an intake and exhaust on there should be fine. With the fuel pump, get a 190 or find a used EVO8 or EVO9 pump if your goals are 300whp. They'll give you enough fuel while still being able to use the factory fuel pressure regulator. Get a boost guage on there and a wideband. Then get your mbc and do some datalogging and tuning. From there, get yourself some bigger injectors. Then either a front mount intercooler or a turbo. Most people go with an EVO 3 16g turbo for 300whp. Then you'll need a stronger clutch.

 

[JusMX141]

You'll be lucky to make 220whp with a good tune and a T25 assuming all other supporting mods are bought and installed.

The factory 1G 14B turbo had a little more growing room- the 2G T25 was at the end of it's rope in stock form.

 

[etay89]

Flash got it right. Probably the cheapest and easiest way to get to 300whp

 

[ChrisMgst]

There fun but will nickel and dime you. I've recently have gotten back to my dsm that has sat around for 8 years.

 

[r3dDSM]

Thanks for all the input guys. The car I'm fighting for only has 56k on it, I'm hopeing it hasnt been abused all its life, so if I'm lucky alot of maitenance wont be needed other than fluid flush etc. I do that to all used cars Me or my family purchase for peace of mind. But if the belts look worn at all I'l chang'em for peace of mind also, whats a hundred bucks or so for fresh components vs alot for a fresh motor when the motor SHOULDNT be in bad shape. Yup im coming from the muscle side haha, I'l always be a V8 man at heart, Love that rumble haha but I've always wanted a 2g sense... well err... I seen the Fast and the Furious *flamesuit on* I just hope my floorpan dont fall out for unknown reasons............ .

 

[JusMX141]

The car I'm fighting for only has 56k on it, I'm hopeing it hasnt been abused all its life, so if I'm lucky alot of maitenance wont be needed other than fluid flush etc.

So it's 4K shy of it's first-required timing belt, balance shaft belt, and accessory belt replacement.

May want to check the pulleys while you're at it- the balance belt tensioner pulley on my completely-stock 1997 GSX with 68K original miles was hosed when I recently disassembled the engine.

 

[r3dDSM]

So it's 4K shy of it's first-required timing belt, balance shaft belt, and accessory belt replacement.

May want to check the pulleys while you're at it- the balance belt tensioner pulley on my completely-stock 1997 GSX with 68K original miles was hosed when I recently disassembled the engine.

4k shy huh? guess I'l be replaceing everything, again thanks for the much needed info. I'l deffinately check the pulleys. Thanks again for the info, and Thanks to the forum for the great welcome and valuabe input.

Well I finally got an update on the car. I should have it by monday at the latest, the dealer finally worked somthing out after 4 days of trying to pull the trigger on it. Just got to get from Virginia to Alabama to get it .

 

[FLASH1970]

I'd check compression (should be about 180), turbo shaft play, belt condition, ball joints, tie rods, rust (being a southern car it shouldn't have much if any)... fluid in trans if it's an auto. go through the gears when the car is cold...

There's a site called vfaq.com it has how to do articles for a lot of stuff. Very good website for info on these cars.

 

[slayer450]

The one on craigslist in Tuscaloosa??

 

[slayer450]

If that's the one your talking about your ####ing insane. He wants 9k for that thing, way to much. I say keep looking, you'll find one a lot closer for a lot less. I just found one for you in Johnson city, TN. It's a 95 already on its way to 300hp. 6 bolt block, dsmlink, fmic, bunch of other stuff I can't remember. You can prob have it for 5k

 

[slayer450]

http://tricities.craigslist.org/cto/2834562661.html

 

[PickleRick]

The prior comments about your regular service is the most important advice you will receive.
If somebody has not mentioned "How unreliable" DSM's are, they will.
People seem to believe this because naive and/or lazy owners overlook the importance of regular maintenance.
Like any other car, parts don't last forever.

Mod the car appropriately and don't take short cuts. When done correctly, a DSM can be one hell of a car; and will piss off plenty of vette owners.

 

[r3dDSM]

The one on craigslist in Tuscaloosa??

yeah thats the one, and no way in hell would I pay 9k for a 98 regardless of miles, plust its missing a radio, which isnt a big deal...... yet another reason not to pay 9k. Thanks for the find in JC tho.

 

[slayer450]

No prob, seems like a good deal. I'd be going to look at it if I didn't already get mine.
if I had it to do over again though I'd prob be looking for a gsx instead. Even with the stock little t25 1st and 2nd spin like mad.