getting fed with t- belts

[Spoolin18]

This is the third mitsu oem belt I have bought from all respectable vendors. I have the same problem with all three belts, they have a gray discoloration. The first vendor sent me a replacement belt, but with the same results. I never put these on the car. They said they had several people send them back, must have been a "bad batch". The 2nd vendor sent me their belt and lo and behold, the same results. Its a slight gray discoloration band around the entire belt. I have never witnessed this from a non oem belt such as gates, gatorback. I don't have the budget for a blue gates, so is this normal because I think it is not.

I'll try and post some pictures. They might be in my gallery, not sure how to post them in this thread.

Here is some pictures;

T-belt Trouble - Is this normal? I have had three belts look the same, all oem mitsu from JNZ and map. DSMtuners Gallery

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You might have to visit my gallerry if they don't show up. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

One vendor said it depended on the material, and manufacture which explains shit.

 

[DSM1G90]

Is that discoloration before installation or after?

Almost looks like normal wear since that side runs against the tensioner and idler pulley - how are the pulleys anyway?

Big concern is what's on the other side - the teeth and if they have cracks at the base of each tooth, fabric wear, et.al. ?

Have you check out an actual belt from a Mitsu dealership (where I got my pulley/belt set) since you've got these belts from JNZ who "claim" that they are oem?

-DSM

 

[Spoolin18]

Is that discoloration before installation or after?

Almost looks like normal wear since that side runs against the tensioner and idler pulley - how are the pulleys anyway?

Big concern is what's on the other side - the teeth and if they have cracks at the base of each tooth, fabric wear, et.al. ?

Have you check out an actual belt from a Mitsu dealership (where I got my pulley/belt set) since you've got these belts from JNZ who "claim" that they are oem?

-DSM

It came in an mitsu oem packaging belt, this is before the install. This belt is brand new and has never been installed. Any advice?

It says153.29 md326059 unita made in japan mitsubishi

 

[DSM1G90]

(Ya, that's the right "MD" number...MD326059 .. 65 bucks from www.mitsubishiparts.com ..)

Gonna be curious on this one - take that belt over to a Mitsu Dealer parts counter and have them take a look at the one belt and see what kind of buzz they can shoot you on with this issue. Get some 2nd and 3rd opinions - usually helps things out when you do this.

Kinda makes me wonder if JNZ is buying rejected parts from the manufacturer that didn't meet QC standards and then reselling them. Not the first time I've heard of this - some off-shoot companies will buy up items that didn't meet QC requirements then reselling them, OR they'll buy horribly substandard items from an unknown manufacturer and rebrand/repackage them to make them look either OEM or similar..

Obviously, no proof on this why I can't make a factual statement that the belt is or isn't OEM, but, it's just a thought.

Good luck-DSM

 

[Spoolin18]

(Ya, that's the right "MD" number...MD326059 .. 65 bucks from "Mitsubishi Parts" | Online Parts & Accessories Catalog ..)

Gonna be curious on this one - take that belt over to a Mitsu Dealer parts counter and have them take a look at the one belt and see what kind of buzz they can shoot you on with this issue. Get some 2nd and 3rd opinions - usually helps things out when you do this.

Kinda makes me wonder if JNZ is buying rejected parts from the manufacturer that didn't meet QC standards and then reselling them. Not the first time I've heard of this - some off-shoot companies will buy up items that didn't meet QC requirements then reselling them, OR they'll buy horribly substandard items from an unknown manufacturer and rebrand/repackage them to make them look either OEM or similar..

Obviously, no proof on this why I can't make a factual statement that the belt is or isn't OEM, but, it's just a thought.

Good luck-DSM

Map sold me two exact belts that had the same discoloration. Surely both companys isn't playing that game are they?

 

[GooeyGus]

I would definitely say you made the right call in not putting those belts on.

Looks like possible delamination of the teeth to the backing of the belt. No way to tell for sure without cutting the belt open, but I sure wouldn't take my chances with that.

 

[DSSA]

Okay, time to set a couple of things straight here:

1) Mitsubishi does NOT sell "Rejected" parts, and if someone was purchasing "QC Failed" parts from the manufacturer of said part for Mitsubishi, it would not come in Mitsubishi packaging. One poster said that he "knows of people doing this", I would like to see proof of this and I'm sure Mitsubishi would like to know about this going on with someone making fake packaging. Please PM me with the information on these companys that you know of doing this, and I'll be sure to forward it to my contacts at Mitsubishi for you.

2) I've spoken to Mitsubishi about this, and they have checked sample stock at the warehouse and have noted that every belt that they've checked has the same manufacturing discoloration. On top of that, all of our belts in stock also show a similar line as well (including some customer build belts that have been here for months)---that's a lot of "Coincidence" right there.

3) You've recieved *THREE* belts, now, from two different vendors, on two sides of the country (in other words, they've come from completely different depots), and have noted the same coloring.

4) You're comparing them to inferior aftermarket belts, and determining that they're "worthy or unworthy" due to looking like said aftermarket belts. If you choose to base "quality" by these belts, then I would suggest buying the cheaper belt and both saving money and peace of mind.

5) I'm letting the insinuation that we sell "Rejected" Mitsubishi parts slide, however, my patience is very thin right now due to this. I'm not very big on internet "witch hunts" propogated by people who have no qualifications to stand on.

Thank you, and Happy Holidays.

Josh

 

[dsmfa9nutter]

Spoolin18, mine had the same line. 5k miles later, can't even tell it's there anymore. If you're that worried, buy an aftermarket pink/purple/blue timing belt.

 

[Spoolin18]

Okay, time to set a couple of things straight here:

1) Mitsubishi does NOT sell "Rejected" parts, and if someone was purchasing "QC Failed" parts from the manufacturer of said part for Mitsubishi, it would not come in Mitsubishi packaging. One poster said that he "knows of people doing this", I would like to see proof of this and I'm sure Mitsubishi would like to know about this going on with someone making fake packaging. Please PM me with the information on these companys that you know of doing this, and I'll be sure to forward it to my contacts at Mitsubishi for you.

2) I've spoken to Mitsubishi about this, and they have checked sample stock at the warehouse and have noted that every belt that they've checked has the same manufacturing discoloration. On top of that, all of our belts in stock also show a similar line as well (including some customer build belts that have been here for months)---that's a lot of "Coincidence" right there.

3) You've recieved *THREE* belts, now, from two different vendors, on two sides of the country (in other words, they've come from completely different depots), and have noted the same coloring.

4) You're comparing them to inferior aftermarket belts, and determining that they're "worthy or unworthy" due to looking like said aftermarket belts. If you choose to base "quality" by these belts, then I would suggest buying the cheaper belt and both saving money and peace of mind.

5) I'm letting the insinuation that we sell "Rejected" Mitsubishi parts slide, however, my patience is very thin right now due to this. I'm not very big on internet "witch hunts" propogated by people who have no qualifications to stand on.

Thank you, and Happy Holidays.

Josh

I'm sorry you're upset, I never claimed you're selling any rejected parts, other people did. You as a company should understand my concerns and if you're comfortable with your products you sell, then you should have no problems with a customer getting 2nd, 3rd opinions. I said JNZ was a respectable vendor, and I stand by that statement. I'm sorry if you're offended, this WAS NEVER a "witch" hunt. I was concerned and had only seen this on oem mitsu belts and just wanted advice. You should respect that. The moderators can lock this thread if they want, thats fine, but my concerns are still valid. I may rock it since nuttbuttter said his was the same way. IDK.

Happy CHRISTMAS

Chris.

Spoolin18, mine had the same line. 5k miles later, can't even tell it's there anymore. If you're that worried, buy an aftermarket pink/purple/blue timing belt.

I don't have the budget, they cut hours back at work and between three cars, and regular bills, money is scarce.

 

[Calan]

If you're that worried, buy an aftermarket pink/purple/blue timing belt.

Aftermarket belts can show discoloration as well, if not worse. I have a kevlar timing belt with about 3k miles on it from Gates Racing (a very respectable company IMHO), and it is mostly a dull brownish-green color now instead of the bright blue it started off as; but the belt itself is fine as far as I can tell. This is actually more common than you would think.

Now that I think about it, I believe the previous OEM Mitsu belt had some gray discoloration, but I ran it hard for a few years with no issues.

While it's good to question these things, it isn't always a problem. It could be in the way the rubber finished curing or other factors.

Just my .02

 

[Rob10_99]

I've got topline belts with no discoloration 0.o

 

[Spoolin18]

Okay, time to set a couple of things straight here:

1) Mitsubishi does NOT sell "Rejected" parts, and if someone was purchasing "QC Failed" parts from the manufacturer of said part for Mitsubishi, it would not come in Mitsubishi packaging. One poster said that he "knows of people doing this", I would like to see proof of this and I'm sure Mitsubishi would like to know about this going on with someone making fake packaging. Please PM me with the information on these companys that you know of doing this, and I'll be sure to forward it to my contacts at Mitsubishi for you.

2) I've spoken to Mitsubishi about this, and they have checked sample stock at the warehouse and have noted that every belt that they've checked has the same manufacturing discoloration. On top of that, all of our belts in stock also show a similar line as well (including some customer build belts that have been here for months)---that's a lot of "Coincidence" right there.

3) You've recieved *THREE* belts, now, from two different vendors, on two sides of the country (in other words, they've come from completely different depots), and have noted the same coloring.

4) You're comparing them to inferior aftermarket belts, and determining that they're "worthy or unworthy" due to looking like said aftermarket belts. If you choose to base "quality" by these belts, then I would suggest buying the cheaper belt and both saving money and peace of mind.

5) I'm letting the insinuation that we sell "Rejected" Mitsubishi parts slide, however, my patience is very thin right now due to this. I'm not very big on internet "witch hunts" propogated by people who have no qualifications to stand on.

Thank you, and Happy Holidays.

Josh

One other thing, I hope your patience is running thin with me, I've only contacted you two times, one by email and the other by phone, which the person didn't give me a direct answer and kinda blew me off. That isn't very buisness like. I work in retail and the customer comes FIRST, we're your buisness, we're the only reason you have a job. Have a good day/night.

 

[DSSA]

Chris,

Before putting any more attitude out there, please re-read my initial post.

"1" and "5" were directed towards "DSM1G90" who was making those insinuating statements--not you.

Thanks.

One other thing, I hope your patience is running thin with me, I've only contacted you two times, one by email and the other by phone, which the person didn't give me a direct answer and kinda blew me off. That isn't very buisness like. I work in retail and the customer comes FIRST, we're your buisness, we're the only reason you have a job. Have a good day/night.

The only phone call we received regarding this was 2-3 weeks ago by a female. Our employee requested the person on the end of the line to send us pictures. Before we had a chance to get their name or give the email address to send it to, the person hung up. If that was you, or your wife we never received the pictures.
We don't consider that blowing a customer off.

We have been handling a similar issue with a female yesterday via email. Which we (myself & my employees) have been both prompt, courteous & willing to work with said customer in a reasonable manner.

Maybe the phone call, email and Spoolin18 are all the same customer in the end?

 

[Spoolin18]

Chris,

Before putting any more attitude out there, please re-read my initial post.

"1" and "5" were directed towards "DSM1G90" who was making those insinuating statements--not you.

Thanks.



The only phone call we received regarding this was 2-3 weeks ago by a female. Our employee requested the person on the end of the line to send us pictures. Before we had a chance to get their name or give the email address to send it to, the person hung up. If that was you, or your wife we never received the pictures.
We don't consider that blowing a customer off.

We have been handling a similar issue with a female yesterday via email. Which we (myself & my employees) have been both prompt, courteous & willing to work with said customer in a reasonable manner.

Maybe the phone call, email and Spoolin18 are all the same customer in the end?

It was more like a week and a half ago IF I recall correctly.
The email was me, the phone call was my wife, which never said anything about sending pictures, I apologize, and will find out why she never relayed the full message. I did however email you pictures myself before posting on this forum.You have promtly satisfied my concerns through the emails and on here. I rarely have time to get on the phone. Anyways, I still plan on buying from JNZ in the future. Thanks.