FP3582 vs FP3065

[Moonlight GSX]

Apparently the 3065 is a sweet deal but what about the 3582? Would it be better suited to run the 3582 for achieving 600 whp opposed to the 3065? I've done nothing but math and math on this and it's getting me no where other than just match-crunching headaches....

 

[TSITurbo95]

i dont think you are considering that a stroker is going to have a signifigantly shorter life (in terms of milage) then a 2.0....

Proof to back up this statement?

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Proof to back up this statement?

for a daily driver, the pistons you would run (harder denser material such as ross or wiseco) with the longer stroke will EVENTUALLY scrape out your cylinder walls and in turn result in a fook load of blow by and a rebuild sooner then one with a stock stroke.

(my builder has had 3 rebuilds on his 2.3 each only getting to around 20-25k miles.)

with a stroker you are going with a way looser build as well and will have some piston slap due to the expanding of the pisons material.
Assuming you are building the stroker for what it should be used for (massive boost and large turbos.) If you weren't considering the latter why not just keep a 2.0

but if i'm totally wrong on my understanding on that someone please correct me..

as i understand a stroker would average around 25-30k miles as opposed to a 2.0 maybe getting 80k miles with no rebuild if both have forged internals and both are maintained the same, asuming no neglect or stupidity.

 

[daren_p]

The 3082(HTA DSM82) should spool the same as the 3065 and make more power. Billet compressor wheels.. Awesome.

Unless FP decided to give two turbos the same name, that info isn't correct (unless you made a typo).

The HTA DSM82 is the HTA 3582 in a FP housing, not the HTA 3082.

FP claims the HTA DSM82 will spool slightly quicker then the 3065.

Well if you are going to stroke it out to a 2.3 go with the HTA3582 or even better the GTX3582 from Garrett but the 2.0 with the HTA3082 will spool mad quick about 4k depending on what mods maybe around 3900 or 3800

Wondering why you say the GTX3582 is better then the HTA3582, any info to back up this statement? Just curious as FP claims their HTA wheels are still better then the Garrett GTX wheels (though obviously if their your wheels your probably not going to say someone elses is better).

On a typical 2.0L the HTA3082 will probably spool even faster then you mention. I see 20psi ~4000 (with nothing done to tune to increase spool) on my 3052, the HTA version will spool quicker.

Looks like my next turbo will be the DSM82 on my 2.0L

 

[4G63_GSX]

Well FP is selling a product to compete with Garrett only to say they are using a Garrett turbo but modifying it to make if their own. The Garrett turbo is amazing. How could a company take another company turbo and make it better than the original manufacture but to each their own. And when discussing turbo spool people can't just say this spools faster than this because if you have a regular turbo manifold and a HTA3082 compared to a twin scroll manifold and a GTX3582 would that really be considered a fair comparison? Or any other turbo comparison I was just using that as an example. Also now physical proof that would depend on material and machining but supposedly the materials for the wheels are the same so then it would all come down to machine work.

 

[daren_p]

Well FP is selling a product to compete with Garrett only to say they are using a Garrett turbo but modifying it to make if their own. The Garrett turbo is amazing. How could a company take another company turbo and make it better than the original manufacture but to each their own. And when discussing turbo spool people can't just say this spools faster than this because if you have a regular turbo manifold and a HTA3082 compared to a twin scroll manifold and a GTX3582 would that really be considered a fair comparison? Or any other turbo comparison I was just using that as an example. Also now physical proof that would depend on material and machining but supposedly the materials for the wheels are the same so then it would all come down to machine work.

Just because Garrett is the origional manufacturer doesn't mean their version is automatically better. Their are lots of companies out their that modify an OEM product to make it better. But then their are also companies that make modifications to OEM products & make them worse.

FP actually came out with their HTA wheels well before Garrett introduced their GTX wheels. I'm sure the GTX wheels are great, but you also have to consider FP designed these wheels for specific platforms, where as Garrett wheels would be designed for a much broader range of setups.

I have no proof either way, I was just curious if you did.

 

[SonySlave]

Just because Garrett is the origional manufacturer doesn't mean their version is automatically better. Their are lots of companies out their that modify an OEM product to make it better. But then their are also companies that make modifications to OEM products & make them worse.

FP actually came out with their HTA wheels well before Garrett introduced their GTX wheels. I'm sure the GTX wheels are great, but you also have to consider FP designed these wheels for specific platforms, where as Garrett wheels would be designed for a much broader range of setups.

I have no proof either way, I was just curious if you did.

Jeff Bush made more power and faster spool using his FP HTA105 (HTA4202R) than he did with the GTX4202R he was using. Back-to-back with turbos switched while on the dyno. Only 2 of the HTA105s existed as of last year's DSM/Evo Shootout: Jeff Bush's and John Shepherd's. Not sure if there are any others floating around yet... Yes, Jeff is an auto car and auto dyno numbers are be very misleading, but he did the tests using a 5-speed manual before putting the automatic back into the car last season. The GTX performed very well, but the HTA105 outperformed it in every way.

 

[4G63_GSX]

Just because Garrett is the origional manufacturer doesn't mean their version is automatically better. Their are lots of companies out their that modify an OEM product to make it better. But then their are also companies that make modifications to OEM products & make them worse.

FP actually came out with their HTA wheels well before Garrett introduced their GTX wheels. I'm sure the GTX wheels are great, but you also have to consider FP designed these wheels for specific platforms, where as Garrett wheels would be designed for a much broader range of setups.

I have no proof either way, I was just curious if you did.

Tushay

 

[dsmboost84]

Thanks for the comments guys. It's crunch time and by spending so much on an Fp I want to make sure I will be 100% satisfied with it. Anyone running a 3082 on a 2.0 that wants to chime in by chance?

 

[4G63_GSX]

Thanks for the comments guys. It's crunch time and by spending so much on an Fp I want to make sure I will be 100% satisfied with it. Anyone running a 3082 on a 2.0 that wants to chime in by chance?

I believe if you look a few pages back their is someone that had a 3082 on a 2.0 so just goback in look if not type this topic into the search and some other threads will pop up.