First log w/ 2g mas, evo 560's, whats the deal?

[tom04841]

Here is my first log with my 2g mas, Evo 560cc inj and 3" turbo back @ 15psi. I just got my fuel trims tuned with the SAFC. Here is my first third gear pull. The O2's seem really low which leads me to believe its on its way out. But doesn't look bad to me other than that. Tell me what you think


TIMA O2-R TPS MAFS RPM KNCK
30° 0.76V 100.0% 503.2Hz 3375 0
29° 0.76V 100.0% 553.5Hz 3438 0
27° 0.76V 100.0% 666.7Hz 3500 0
26° 0.76V 100.0% 748.5Hz 3531 0
24° 0.76V 100.0% 886.9Hz 3594 0
21° 0.76V 99.6% 981.2Hz 3688 0
18° 0.76V 99.2% 1088.2Hz 3781 0
17° 0.76V 99.2% 1100.8Hz 3844 0
18° 0.76V 99.2% 1107.0Hz 3938 0
19° 0.76V 99.2% 1125.9Hz 4031 0
19° 0.76V 99.2% 1176.2Hz 4125 0
18° 0.76V 99.2% 1214.0Hz 4188 0
18° 0.76V 99.2% 1245.4Hz 4281 0
18° 0.76V 98.8% 1264.3Hz 4344 0
18° 0.76V 98.8% 1295.7Hz 4469 0
18° 0.76V 98.8% 1327.2Hz 4531 0
18° 0.76V 98.8% 1352.4Hz 4563 0
18° 0.76V 98.8% 1402.7Hz 4656 0
18° 0.76V 98.8% 1409.0Hz 4781 0
19° 0.76V 98.8% 1427.8Hz 4844 0
19° 0.76V 98.8% 1440.4Hz 4875 0
19° 0.76V 98.8% 1471.9Hz 4938 0
19° 0.76V 98.8% 1497.0Hz 5063 0
19° 0.76V 98.8% 1522.2Hz 5125 0
20° 0.76V 98.8% 1541.1Hz 5188 0
20° 0.76V 98.8% 1541.1Hz 5250 0
21° 0.76V 98.8% 1559.9Hz 5313 0
21° 0.76V 98.8% 1572.5Hz 5406 0
21° 0.76V 98.8% 1597.7Hz 5438 0
22° 0.76V 98.8% 1591.4Hz 5500 0
22° 0.76V 98.8% 1604.0Hz 5594 0
23° 0.76V 98.8% 1604.0Hz 5625 0
23° 0.76V 98.8% 1604.0Hz 5688 0
24° 0.76V 98.8% 1604.0Hz 5719 0
23° 0.76V 98.8% 1604.0Hz 5781 0
25° 0.76V 98.8% 1604.0Hz 5844 0
25° 0.76V 98.8% 1604.0Hz 5875 0
25° 0.76V 98.4% 1604.0Hz 5969 0
26° 0.76V 98.8% 1604.0Hz 6000 0
27° 0.76V 98.8% 1604.0Hz 6063 0
26° 0.76V 98.4% 1604.0Hz 6094 0
25° 0.76V 98.8% 1604.0Hz 6125 0
25° 0.76V 98.4% 1604.0Hz 6281 0
25° 0.76V 98.4% 1604.0Hz 6250 0
24° 0.76V 98.4% 1604.0Hz 6281 0
24° 0.76V 98.0% 1604.0Hz 6375 0
24° 0.76V 98.0% 1604.0Hz 6375 1

 

[spyderturbo007]

No knock, which is really good. But your timing is sky high. What are your high throttle settings?

 

[tom04841]

hi throttle are all at zero....which i carried across from the low throttle setting at 3k. That is where it needed to be to get my low trim at 99%

 

[weith1111]

Yeah I'm not believing the timing is accurate. Is your base timing set at 5* BTDC?

The log looks good, I just think your timing isn't reading/setup right.

And that o2 looks fishy. Does it cycle properly when just cruising?

 

[dsm-onster]

No knock, which is really good. But your timing is sky high.

This is the ultimate goal of any good dyno tuner. As this generates the most horsepower

But your TPS could be off. Just grab an ohmmeter and take a look.

 

[GSntncT]

This is the ultimate goal of any good dyno tuner. As this generates the most horsepower

Very true. Great log, even if the 02 is a bit off. You may want to try taking it out, and getting something like a small, strong wire brush and clean it up a bit and try a log again.

 

[spyderturbo007]

This is the ultimate goal of any good dyno tuner. As this generates the most horsepower

I agree but there is something funny going on here. 560cc injectors and his high throttle map is zero'ed out??? WTF That puts him pig rich at WOT and his O2's are 0.74V?? Granted, his O2 could be shot, but still.

He should be getting rich knock out the @ss running 20% richer than stock. Also, his timing should be lower, as he is still on the factory maps (since no air is being removed by the SAFC).

I'm confused!

 

[weith1111]

^^^ I'm going with base being off. The timing curve looks ok, just not the #'s. If it was 4-5 degrees lower I'd say it's good.

Note he does have a 2g mas, I thought 550's pretty much canceled out the additional airflow gained by tossing in a 2g mas, thus the settings around 0.

 

[dsm-onster]

I agree but there is something funny going on here. 560cc injectors and his high throttle map is zero'ed out??? WTF That puts him pig rich at WOT and his O2's are 0.74V?? Granted, his O2 could be shot, but still.

He should be getting rich knock out the @ss running 20% richer than stock. Also, his timing should be lower, as he is still on the factory maps (since no air is being removed by the SAFC).

I'm confused!

Hes' running over stock injectors with a piggyback and 2g maf. Just because he is runing a 2g maf doesn't mean the ecu knows he is. A 2g maf alone will fool the ecu into thinking there is around 20% less ariflow into the engine than there really is. And then he has his piggyback on top of that, which particular to his tune, may be infact showing the ecu even less airflow. He's going to see higher timing becasue the ecu things there is less airflow entering the engine. This is how piggybacks allow you to base tune for injectors that flow more fuel. Thus, the ecu is running on a more aggresive timing map.

Rich knock is controversial. I can run at 8:1 on pump gas a get no knock.

 

[LilBeanTSI]

Note he does have a 2g mas, I thought 550's pretty much canceled out the additional airflow gained by tossing in a 2g mas, thus the settings around 0.

Exactly, I also have a 2g mas with 550's and I had to add fuel at hi-throttle. My timing was in the low to mid 30*'s the one and only time I logged it on pump gas. I would say his timing map looks fine. I wouldn't mess with the s-afc much more until you get access to a wideband .

 

[dsm-onster]

Exactly, I also have a 2g mas with 550's and I had to add fuel at hi-throttle. My timing was in the low to mid 30*'s the one and only time I logged it on pump gas. I would say his timing map looks fine. I wouldn't mess with the s-afc much more until you get access to a wideband .

Exactly!!! He's got no knock and high timing. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tom04841]

I have a water injection kit that will be going on within the next week i was going to have it come on around 13-14psi. My plan is to run about 18-19 psi. With what i have now + the W/I kit, probably a 50/50 mix (smurf piss) i should be able to do this without having to add anymore fuel right? I am still on the stock SMIC, and W/I was a more cost and time effective solution to a FMIC.

I know w/i lowers intake temps, and meth raises the octane level. So do i leave the settings of the SAFC where they are, and take out fuel on the SAFC if i show no knock until the point where it shows 1-3 counts then add 1-2% back in?

 

[tom04841]

any advice for me on dsm-onster? its going in this weekend.

 

[dsm-onster]

I have a water injection kit that will be going on within the next week i was going to have it come on around 13-14psi. My plan is to run about 18-19 psi. With what i have now + the W/I kit, probably a 50/50 mix (smurf piss) i should be able to do this without having to add anymore fuel right? I am still on the stock SMIC, and W/I was a more cost and time effective solution to a FMIC.

When will everyone else get what obviously you figured out .

I know w/i lowers intake temps, and meth raises the octane level.

It's a little bit more complicated than this, but you should do excellent w/ 550s, stock sidemount and water/alky injection. He!!, I ran my stock fuel pump, stock 450s, stock sidemount, w/ an overrunning 1g mas at 22 psi on my old small 16g; because of water injection!

So do i leave the settings of the SAFC where they are, and take out fuel on the SAFC if i show no knock until the point where it shows 1-3 counts then add 1-2% back in?

Yea, basically.

But, if you can get a hold of a wideband: Just set your air/fuel ratio to around 11:1 and then (w/ water injection) turn your boost up as far as you can and get no knock. But I wouldn't go much over 18 psi becaseu you'll be wearing out that 14b mighty quick. And you can get a decent return for it on ebay.

 

[tom04841]

its all in. I turned it up a bit....well i thought it was a little. Turns out it is at 20 psi. I wasn't logging, but the logger was on with alarm set for more than 3 counts of knock.

I hit an open stretch of road on my way back from my friends house, and punched it in 3rd gear. ....car pulled alot harder than it did at 15psi. The best part.......the alarm on the logger didn't make a sound If i recall correctly, at 6k, timing was at 25*.



I will post up a log tomorrow.

 

[dsm-onster]

They say that the proof is in the pudding. . .

its all in. I turned it up a bit....well i thought it was a little. Turns out it is at 20 psi. I wasn't logging, but the logger was on with alarm set for more than 3 counts of knock.

I hit an open stretch of road on my way back from my friends house, and punched it in 3rd gear. ....car pulled alot harder than it did at 15psi. The best part.......the alarm on the logger didn't make a sound If i recall correctly, at 6k, timing was at 25*.



I will post up a log tomorrow.

That's some sweet puddin'!

 

[compression]

its all in. I turned it up a bit....well i thought it was a little. Turns out it is at 20 psi. I wasn't logging, but the logger was on with alarm set for more than 3 counts of knock.

I hit an open stretch of road on my way back from my friends house, and punched it in 3rd gear. ....car pulled alot harder than it did at 15psi. The best part.......the alarm on the logger didn't make a sound If i recall correctly, at 6k, timing was at 25*.



I will post up a log tomorrow.

ah =) nice i ran my 12.8 on 22psi , stock smic and stock fuel pump , no water/alcohol/methanol or any kind of injection , c16 race fuel and only hit 2 knock , i think i was getting around the same timing ( i have 650cc's and afc so my timing maps are always a little aggressive)