Exhaust Manifold : SBR Vs FP

[drewvr4]

So you are saying that if you were one of the unfortunate few who purchased your flawed manifold, you have to pay $175 for a new one, even though the manifold was clearly flawed to begin with?

Sounds like what he is saying, i have one and i really hope it doesnt crack.

 

[snooopy365]

that is really intresting...
that nearly looks like a SB vs. FP fight... the only problem is: it seems like nobody is supporting SB right now?

I did`t have one of the mainfolds but why should I buy a SB manifold when there is nobody else than SB themself who really "belives" in the manifold??

is the SB one really that bad, or does someone drive it since a few years and its still good and without cracks??

sorry but I never heard anything good about it... so before I saw the FP manifold there was no other opinion than "Evo3" to me.

 

[delta448]

We gave roughly 50 free replacements within the one year warranty period - including some over the year period that we drilled and found to have the machining flaw.

Now - anyone who sends back one of the first 100 pieces that has cracked - gets a brand new one for $175.00 plus shipping

With that kind of logic it's easy to see why DSMers have such a plethora of issues with SBR. For all we know the engineering dept. at slowboy could be making these design decisions in order to further empty customer's pockets with the cost of replacement parts. I'm sure that's not the case, and I mean no disrespect to you at all, but when you expect $175 to replace your defective part which probably cost you less than that to make... seriously ...WTF.

You should always take full responsibility for products you stamp your name on, it's the only way you'll earn the respect of the entire tuning community. If your products break, don't fit, or never make it to their destination and it's your fault, you should take the hit instead of trying to further twist the knife you just commited the stabbing with. DSMers often "graduate" to more "high dollar" platforms like the 350Z, Supra, Evo and STi. Earn the trust and loyalty of a tuner when they can't afford expensive things and they'll come back to you when they are finally able to.

Your reputation sucks right now, I know I've seen at least 3 threads in the past month about a failed SBR badged product and the hell that you gave the unfortunate individual when they informed you of the issue. Where's the customer service? I hate to see Slowboy stooping so lowly. I practically grew up in your backyard watching and rooting for you to make it. I know it's hard running such an enormous and ever growing buisness and you deal with jerks like me telling you what you really need to hear everyday, but I'm posting this because I care about the things you've done for our community, not just to start a fight or complain.

 

[Byrd]

With that kind of logic it's easy to see why DSMers have such a plethora of issues with SBR. For all we know the engineering dept. at slowboy could be making these design decisions in order to further empty customer's pockets with the cost of replacement parts. I'm sure that's not the case, and I mean no disrespect to you at all, but when you expect $175 to replace your defective part which probably cost you less than that to make... seriously ...WTF.

You should always take full responsibility for products you stamp your name on, it's the only way you'll earn the respect of the entire tuning community. If your products break, don't fit, or never make it to their destination and it's your fault, you should take the hit instead of trying to further twist the knife you just commited the stabbing with. DSMers often "graduate" to more "high dollar" platforms like the 350Z, Supra, Evo and STi. Earn the trust and loyalty of a tuner when they can't afford expensive things and they'll come back to you when they are finally able to.

Your reputation sucks right now, I know I've seen at least 3 threads in the past month about a failed SBR badged product and the hell that you gave the unfortunate individual when they informed you of the issue. Where's the customer service? I hate to see Slowboy stooping so lowly. I practically grew up in your backyard watching and rooting for you to make it. I know it's hard running such an enormous and ever growing buisness and you deal with jerks like me telling you what you really need to hear everyday, but I'm posting this because I care about the things you've done for our community, not just to start a fight or complain.

Wow, very well said. I have also said the same to Mike and his associates but recieved no reply. I don't expect one either since I have gotten used to them tucking their tail between their legs.

If anyone would like to know my story with their manifold (although the tubular one), them not backing up their products, and their "customer service" please PM or email me and I'd be glad to share. I don't want to get this thread locked.

At the end of the day, use your instincts and look at how many happy customers have purchased a said manifold and go for it.

 

[Slowboy]

So you are saying that if you were one of the unfortunate few who purchased your flawed manifold, you have to pay $175 for a new one, even though the manifold was clearly flawed to begin with?

If you waited over a year to return it, yes sir I am.

Mike Huml
SBR Inc.

 

[SBR Joe]

I had an ACT clutch break on me after 2000 miles of driving before the redesigned them...and they told me to shove it when i asked if it was under warranty and if i could get another replacement. I said oh well and bought another one.....

 

[Slowboy]

With that kind of logic it's easy to see why DSMers have such a plethora of issues with SBR. For all we know the engineering dept. at slowboy could be making these design decisions in order to further empty customer's pockets with the cost of replacement parts. I'm sure that's not the case, and I mean no disrespect to you at all, but when you expect $175 to replace your defective part which probably cost you less than that to make... seriously ...WTF.

You should always take full responsibility for products you stamp your name on, it's the only way you'll earn the respect of the entire tuning community. If your products break, don't fit, or never make it to their destination and it's your fault, you should take the hit instead of trying to further twist the knife you just commited the stabbing with. DSMers often "graduate" to more "high dollar" platforms like the 350Z, Supra, Evo and STi. Earn the trust and loyalty of a tuner when they can't afford expensive things and they'll come back to you when they are finally able to.

Your reputation sucks right now, I know I've seen at least 3 threads in the past month about a failed SBR badged product and the hell that you gave the unfortunate individual when they informed you of the issue. Where's the customer service? I hate to see Slowboy stooping so lowly. I practically grew up in your backyard watching and rooting for you to make it. I know it's hard running such an enormous and ever growing buisness and you deal with jerks like me telling you what you really need to hear everyday, but I'm posting this because I care about the things you've done for our community, not just to start a fight or complain.

If the product was returned in the one year time frame - it was replaced free of charge.

Your first paragraph is hilarious - very interesting conspiracy theory you have.

Yes - you will see SBR products fail - as you would with any other product - it is called racing. We cannot give free product out when the problem for the failure was not our own problem.

Yes - most people have no idea how hard it is when a company grows at 300% a year for four straight years- well - have to cut it short - boarding a plane to Miami to visit a customer - its that horrible service that takes me such distances

More to come next week.

Anyone who needs me feel free to email me at [email protected]

Mike Huml
SBR Inc.

 

[pitbull419]

I liked slowboy up until 8 months ago.
I bought there cast manifold w/tial 38mm flange.
Within tha year it cracked in 3 places.On the top between tha middle runners were most manis crack.Around the collector and on the bottom between the middle runners.
So i called them and they gave me the run around for awhile.I kept calling eventualy they told me they wouldnt replace it.They wouldnt even give me credit tword a tubular header.
I know cast manis crack but it didnt even last a whole year.
It performed great just wasnt durable.
I bought all of the stuff for my car from slowboy but after that i dont really want to deal with them again.Just because they didnt stand behind there product.

 

[tkelly27]

It cracked, but was it leaking out the cracks? Cosmetic failure is not good, but mechanical failure is bad news. I guess small cracks will eventually lead to bigger ones...

Congratulations on holding 24psi on the dot. However, IMO, a better test of how your waste gate position is functioning is to hold 10 or 12psi. Even if you loose the vacuum line to your waste gate and it doesn't open, you'll eventually reach a steady boost level. You are also right though, there doesn't really seem to be another spot for it to fit like stock.

Also, congratulations on your parts being in the fastest AWD auto. They can perform, there is no question about that. However, that doesn't make them the best part for the money. As previously stated, people have run 9's with a ported 2G manifold that can be had for $5.

There is also no hard data over which one is better at making power. Dyno, flow bench, time slips, nothing. If none of them had cracked, and there were 0 complaints of customer service, one could not choose from the information given here. Anyone have any performance data to compare to?

If I were a betting man, I'd go with the FP one, but only because I can see inside the collectors

 

[delta448]

If the product was returned in the one year time frame - it was replaced free of charge.

Your first paragraph is hilarious - very interesting conspiracy theory you have.

I was trying to deliver a simple point, not a theory. I commend you on replacing the parts that were used and failed within the 1st year.

Yes - you will see SBR products fail - as you would with any other product - it is called racing. We cannot give free product out when the problem for the failure was not our own problem.

I don't expect you to. Only when the failure was the fault of you or someone under your employ, -mostly flaws in design or manufacture.

Yes - most people have no idea how hard it is when a company grows at 300% a year for four straight years- well - have to cut it short - boarding a plane to Miami to visit a customer - its that horrible service that takes me such distances

I empathize with you about running the shop, but at the same time I fully understand what kind of buisness someone has to send your way in order for you to take time out of your busy schedule to fly to Florida to meet them, and think this is a very biased example of your usual customer service.

I didn't make either of these posts to insult you. I have a lot of respect for you Mike, I just wish that your buisness practices weren't soley profit driven. I don't think that's who you are. Don't lose yourself in a quest for world domination. Do you even enjoy what you do anymore? Maybe you should take a vacation while you're in Miami.

 

[pitbull419]

yeah it was leaking when i took it off and looked in it u could actually see daylight.

 

[pitbull419]

I think maybe they forgot sbr customer service and warranties back in the day is what got them to where they are now(atleast helped alot.Its the reason i bought from them.But it seems like that went south over these last few years.Personaly it makes me sad i like to stick with one shop now i have to find a new one all because they wouldnt honor the manifold i bought from them.

 

[RU2SLOW?]

I personally have had nothing but good luck with Slowboy. That being said, however, I've been a member of this forum for a while now and have not invested as much money as many folks here have with SBR, and I have read the many horror stories. I can only speak from personal experience. A very good friend of mine got the SBR manifold about a yr and half to two yrs ago for his 91 AWD Talon. His car has had alot of downtime over the past year either upgrading or doing maintenence. Last week, we finally put the finishing touches on his car to bring it for a nice celebratory burst. When we came back we left the turbo timer running and popped the hood. After hearing what sounded like an exhaust leak we decided to remove his heat shield. And there it was.... a good sized crack right down the top of the manifold with exhaust pissing out of it. Luckily I had just removed my ported Evo3 mani to put on the FP Race mani so we have a backup for the car. This, however, is unacceptable in my opinion as far as build quality is concerned. As I've stated I'm not here to speak out against SBR as I will continue to do business with them on specific parts. BUT, I would definitely pick the FP mani ten times over for a number of reasons already mentioned aside from my little story...

 

[mephist0]

Slowboyracing, is a great place to buy parts, you know, everyone makes mistakes.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

This whole thread has gotten inappropriate. Had someone reported a while ago I would have gone through and deleted all the off-topic posts but it's too late.

No one can start any thread about SBR without the bashing beginning. Some people have legitimate gripes and complains I'm sure, but anytime FP is involved people will praise anything. They could make a manifold buy gluing together hollowed out pieces of crap and people would tell you to buy that over anything else. An exaggeration for sure but you all get the point.