eIII16g vs. 19c vs. 18g td05h

[tstkl]

ive been looking at turbos lately, and at this stage im looking for a very streetable turbo that will get me as high as possible on the power charts....(actually as low as possible in the e.t. charts, but its all the same thing right?)

ive been looking at

evoiii 16g

19c from fp

or 18g from fp (the one that doesnt cost 1k...)

my questions is, does anyone run one of the latter two turbos and have anything to say about these turbos? also the 18g says its a dry housing, and that this makes install on the 2g easier.. does this mean that the 1g does have water lines that i would have to re route? im thinking about going with the 19c ported... but i dunno...

also it seems that in one of fp's turbo descriptions, (i believe the 19c) that their port job adds a larger flapper, do they do this on all turbos if you get them ported? cuz 95 does seem high for a port job...

 

[tstkl]

forgot to mention any turbo with slightly more power and equal or slightly worse streetablility are welcome to be added to the discution...(but try and keep the price in the same range....nothing over 800 no matter what...)

 

[BaddAssGst]

I run an 18g and that thing screams. I'm getting 20psi at around 3600 rpm. It takes a little while to get used to then having full boost at 2900-3000 because it's not instant boost on the spot. I love it though. I really wouldn't have it any other way.

A 16g will make good power but an 18g will make even better. I honestly wouldn't opt for the 19c because it is such an obsolete turbo. WTF am I saying, I have an 18g.

 

[tstkl]

is yours dry, and if so, how does this effect performance... what do you mean by the 19c is obsolete,... which 18g do you have, the td05h or the td06?

 

[tstkl]

anyone have the charts for an 18g, the only one i could find was one off stealth316 where he said he just took a 20g chart and scaled it down...

 

[my98GST]

it all depends on what your wanting from your car. If your just looking for a nice little turbo for the street that gives you quick spool then go with the evo. but if your looking just mainly high hp numbers for bragging rights then its obvious to go big. If your wanting a turbo for the street and the track then i would opt for a 18g or 20g. With the 18g or 20g you still have fairly quick spoolup, and the capability for high hp #'s.

 

[tstkl]

well basically im looking for the most hp/streetable combo, cuz this car has to take me through college... and i might major in something like physics, which im told is a 6 year major or something....so i dont know how long ill have to keep whatever turbo i have... but basically i want to get to the point where ill have a streetable car, and all the mods ill need for a gt35r or gt42r once i get out of college and can get a dd and turn the talon to a purely track car... hopefully by then ill already have everything knocked out of the way.....besides the turbo that is...and i dont really want a 20g cuz i dont think my car will be ready for it (its not like im buying a turbo any time soon, but i have my mods layed out, and i dont think my car will be ready for a 20g by the time i get to the new turbo point, but the 14b will be completely used up at that point...unless i just go with a 7cm2 housing or something....)

 

[BatmanGSX]

Do not get a 19C. It's not a very good turbo. It's a truck turbo meant for low boost applications. G wheels like boost, C wheels don't. I think one guy maybe ran lower than a 12.0 on a 19C a long time ago but pretty much any G wheel, including a Small 16G is better for a DSM and will give you better results. With the EvoIII 16G being so cheap there is no reason to run much else. Although an 18G is still pretty good, it's more than the E316G and flows less. I don't see much reason to go with a 20G anymore either. For the cost of doing a 20G right (Read: External Wastegate) you may as well throw in a few extra dollars and get a Green or a Red, or hell even an FP30. E316G really seems to rock the spot.

 

[tstkl]

everyones been telling me that the 18g flows more than the e16g, if the opposite was true, then someone should tell fp to change their site...

 

[BatmanGSX]

everyones been telling me that the 18g flows more than the e16g

Everyone is stupid.

Can you please tell me where on FP's site you were led to believe the Evo16G flowed less than an 18G? I don't think that is spelled out anywhere. Maybe you are confused by the name. Would it help if the 18G was renamed to the Evo3 15G or maybe if the Evo3 16G was renamed to the 18.5G? Would that help?

 

[GSX26]

In all honesty man, I have one dsm with a evo3 on it (which actually i just took off and sold to a buddy) and another with a 50 trim. I didn't see much discussion about a 50 trim yet, but they are great turbos IMO. I hit 22psi at 3600! That's decent, even on the street. It pulls so much harder, too. That's not to say that i don't like the evo though. If it was only out of those three, I'd say go with the evo because it flows as much or close to as much as those turbos and spools faster. But at the same time, it's the same price as the 50 trim about and with very parallel supporting mods. Just my .02

 

[tstkl]

Everyone is stupid.

Can you please tell me where on FP's site you were led to believe the Evo16G flowed less than an 18G? I don't think that is spelled out anywhere. Maybe you are confused by the name. Would it help if the 18G was renamed to the Evo3 15G or maybe if the Evo3 16G was renamed to the 18.5G? Would that help?

thanks for bringing this back from the dead to rip on me, that was called for...

my bad, where they said, "The 18G turbocharger is a good choice for those looking for more power than the Big 16G in a street turbo." i must have mistaken for evo3 16g

i wasnt just going by the whole 18 is larger than 16 concept,.... although it is logical, i was reading from fp's site and mistook the wording... my bad

and yes, i have been looking at the various 50 trims lately,.... thats one of the benifits of looking into your turbo purchase a good year in advance, and maping out everything your going to purchase for your car loosely, then fine tuning everything once you get closer to that item on your list... i took a quick look at the sbr turbos, and was thinking about their 57 trim.... are those still streetable?

 

[fastalon82]

In my honest opinion the Evo III 16g is by far the best street/strip turbo you can get.

 

[BaddAssGst]

is yours dry, and if so, how does this effect performance... what do you mean by the 19c is obsolete,... which 18g do you have, the td05h or the td06?

It is the dry housing. I haven't noticed any performance issues with it at all. I love the turbo but like other people have said, I could've spent a better 700 bucks. There are no complaints from me at all seeing as I love the turbo. I just didn't want a small turbo that couldn't take advantage of the set of comp 200s I threw in.

 

[Slowboy]

thanks for bringing this back from the dead to rip on me, that was called for...

my bad, where they said, "The 18G turbocharger is a good choice for those looking for more power than the Big 16G in a street turbo." i must have mistaken for evo3 16g

i wasnt just going by the whole 18 is larger than 16 concept,.... although it is logical, i was reading from fp's site and mistook the wording... my bad

and yes, i have been looking at the various 50 trims lately,.... thats one of the benifits of looking into your turbo purchase a good year in advance, and maping out everything your going to purchase for your car loosely, then fine tuning everything once you get closer to that item on your list... i took a quick look at the sbr turbos, and was thinking about their 57 trim.... are those still streetable?

IMO, the Evo III 16g is the best all around turbo for a street driven DSM at any price. It can easily make 300-330 WHP on a stock motor DSM with the right group of supporting mods, and can make up to 400 plus on race gas and a built motor.

However, with that being said the new BB turbos from PTE (50,57,60 trims) have been performing very well in our first few test, we will have dyno info shortly. All of these turbos IMO are streetable, but I drive an STI back and forth to work with a GT35R and think its streetable, so my opinion may not be worth crap to you

Mike Huml

 

[EvolvingGST]

IMO, the Evo III 16g is the best all around turbo for a street driven DSM at any price. It can easily make 300-330 WHP on a stock motor DSM with the right group of supporting mods, and can make up to 400 plus on race gas and a built motor.

However, with that being said the new BB turbos from PTE (50,57,60 trims) have been performing very well in our first few test, we will have dyno info shortly. All of these turbos IMO are streetable, but I drive an STI back and forth to work with a GT35R and think its streetable, so my opinion may not be worth crap to you

Mike Huml

Sell out!! JK

Sorry Mike, you know we are on a DSM Forum so I couldn't hold back.

Slowboy

 

[Slowboy]

Sell out!! JK

Sorry Mike, you know we are on a DSM Forum so I couldn't hold back.

Slowboy

HEHE...... your funny

But you did make me laugh!

Mike Huml

 

[tstkl]

pte is now making ball bearing chra's for the g series garret turbos? do you sell these yet? if not where can i get them? (again im researching for a future purchase) are they bolt on turbos, (dsm style turbine housing)? whats the price range on these things?

 

[Slowboy]

pte is now making ball bearing chra's for the g series garret turbos? do you sell these yet? if not where can i get them? (again im researching for a future purchase) are they bolt on turbos, (dsm style turbine housing)? whats the price range on these things?

http://www.slowboyracing.com/shop.php?sid=&cat=4080



MGH

 

[tstkl]

yea i went and found that link after i posted here, thanks neway tho....

do you see much boostcreep on cars running these turbos with the internal 38mm wastegate? the only reason why i ask is because i plan on buying a used ported 2g manifold and o2 housing until i deside what turbo im going to use in the long run (g42r, fp 3575, etc...) and dont know exactly where my external is going to be mounted, and which to get...

also another question about your parts, about your sbr evo3 style exhaust manifold, ive been considering this, and noticed that the t3 exhaust manifold that jshep uses is very similar, except for the fact that the runners look like they are equal lenght, or closer to it... what would you say is the best, performance wise, for the dsm style td05 exhaust flange? tubular? the sbr evo3 style?
thanks

 

[VRMAN]

I get so TIRED of people's retarded comments when they have NEVER run one of the turbos mentioned. The 18G is an excellent street turbo, probably the most fun I've driven was with my 18G. If the 18G is $600 and the E16G is $575 or whatever it is, why would you recommend the 16G?! The 18G flows 50 more cfm and basically has the same spool up characterisitcs. I made 22psi at 3700rpms and the turbo had the best midrange I've driven. For the price, the FP 18G is the best turbo you can run for a strictly street car. Or if you have a GSX, the 18G will make you close to unbeatable from 0-60 with all the supporting mods.

The 19C is actually a good turbo if you run pump gas, daily driven all the time around 18psi. The C wheel is effecient in that realm and makes good power at that boost level. Yes, it is dated but so is the 60-1 but nobody (but me) complains about that turbo. If you have your car set for racing all the time or run real high boost then there are better turbos, for sure.

But the main point I wanted to get out is that so many 16G fanboys like to justify their turbos existence by bashing the 18G when in reality, the 18G is a superior turbo especially at the price FP offers it. Stop hating on something you've never driven, I loved my 18G.

 

[SlowboyCSE]

1 Large Vote For The SBR Bastard TDO6H 20G.

Stock looking compressor cover. 20G wheel hiding inside.

Stock looking turbine housing. TDO6H Highway pulling power hiding inside.

Stock looking actuator.

Cops won't have the slightest clue if you get hassled like we do.

Hell you can even tell the kids at 7/11 it's a 14B.

 

[1990greenGSX]

1 Large Vote For The SBR Bastard TDO6H 20G.

Stock looking compressor cover. 20G wheel hiding inside.

Stock looking turbine housing. TDO6H Highway pulling power hiding inside.

Stock looking actuator.

Cops won't have the slightest clue if you get hassled like we do.

Hell you can even tell the kids at 7/11 it's a 14B.

yea.. its a blast spanking people with the bastard TO6H20g and telling them its a 14b, you can make it look autentic by restamping the number on the compressor cover like i did to match a 14b for the really questioning people!! hahaha

Mark
[email protected]
SBR

 

[SlowboyCSE]

yea.. its a blast spanking people with the bastard TO6H20g and telling them its a 14b, you can make it look autentic by restamping the number on the compressor cover like i did to match a 14b for the really questioning people!! hahaha

Mark
[email protected]
SBR

Kid at local drag track - "DOOD how are you running 12 flats on the stock turbo when it's 95 degree's outside and pump gas?"

Marko (1990GreenGSX) - "DOOD i dunno, i got the car yesterday"

Kid at local drag track - "I'm definately going to put a 14B on my D16 now man, damn DOOD thats just sick.

Cragger (SlowboyCSE) - rolling on ground giggling "hehehehe dooood"

***********************************************************

Sorry we just have to much fun sometimes with the unaware

 

[Slowboy]

Kid at local drag track - "DOOD how are you running 12 flats on the stock turbo when it's 95 degree's outside and pump gas?"

Marko (1990GreenGSX) - "DOOD i dunno, i got the car yesterday"

Kid at local drag track - "I'm definately going to put a 14B on my D16 now man, damn DOOD thats just sick.

Cragger (SlowboyCSE) - rolling on ground giggling "hehehehe dooood"

***********************************************************

Sorry we just have to much fun sometimes with the unaware

Your the same jerk that told someone the RWD made 300 WHP after you went 130 MPH in the 1/8th, now aren't you? Worst part, he believed you....

MGH