Ebay TD05 20G - my experience

[joyfil2001]

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Thought some of you might be interested in this:
I bought my car back in December 2007 with 60K miles. Here are the specs: DESCRIPTION: big wheel td05h 20g turbo charger ( perfect upgrade for eclipse gst gsx talon tsi) + j pipe for direct bolt on
New TD05H big 20g turbo.

TURBO SPEC:

SYSTEM : JOURNAL BEARING

COMPRESSOR :

A/R 54

WHEEL DIAMETER 52.5 /68 MM

ACTUATOR 1 BAR

TURBINE:

WHEEL DIAMETER 49.2 /56MM

This internally waste gate turbo supports 380 hp and delivers 640 CFM.

It has a big 20G compressor wheel, Td05H turbine wheel, and a specially designed turbine housing. It is ported and has a bigger waste gate. It fits 89-94 Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon, Plymouth Laser and other models with the 4G63 2.0 engine. It replaces the 14B turbo and is a direct bolt on.
I have all supporting mods to support this turbo. I drive 120 miles round trip to work each day, 5 days a week. I am constantly beating on it at 21psi. The car pulls way faster then my previous WRX with a VF34. Top end is amazing. I haven't had any issues with the turbo itself yet and I check it for shaftplay on a regular basis. it is doing its job and then some. I know that many people on this board have had bad experiences, and only a handfull have had good experiences so I thought i would share mine. Its been 6 months and 30K miles and still no issues. Discuss

 

[JusMX141]

What can I say, you got one of the 20 turbos that Chinese manufacturer made that didn't fail. Apparently they just happened to get everything aligned properly upon assembly.

How the hell did you rack up 30k in 6 months? You put more miles on in 6 months than my father does in his Freightliner.

 

[joyfil2001]

And I hope it stays that way. I had it inspected prior to installation and everything seemed ok. The only real problem i had with it was the oil feed line broke suring installation.

 

[joyfil2001]

What can I say, you got one of the 20 turbos that Chinese manufacturer made that didn't fail. Apparently they just happened to get everything aligned properly upon assembly.

How the hell did you rack up 30k in 6 months? You put more miles on in 6 months than my father does in his Freightliner.

My commute is 120 miles per day! Thats what I'm trying to point out, I have put more miles on this turbo in 6 months, than most people do in a year.

 

[JusMX141]

120 miles per day x 5 days a week x 26 weeks = 15,600 miles....well shy of 30k.

But still- I'm rather impressed for something assembled by Wu Zhen Xiang making 30 cents a week.

 

[joyfil2001]

120 miles per day x 5 days a week x 26 weeks = 15,600 miles....well shy of 30k.

But still- I'm rather impressed for something assembled by Wu Zhen Xiang making 30 cents a week.

Well i must have worked alot of overtime!! . Dont forget all the driving around town. But regardless its somewhere around 30K miles. I am just really surprised that there is no shaft play. Part of me wants this thing to never die, and another part of me is waiting for it to happen so i can go bigger!

 

[webconnect]

Good to hear.

 

[joyfil2001]

I have my front mount arriving this weekend and im hoping to get to the track soon to see what it can do. I have EvoScan which "supposedly" will measure HP and Torque. Obviously its not a real dyno but it should give a genuine idea of what power the car is putting down.

 

[JusMX141]

Should be comparable to the "Sleeper 16's" and "Bastard 20's" that are currently in production. Maybe a little more laggy....I know the eBay 16G's compressor wheel is heavier than both the MHI Big 16G and Evo III 16G compressors, so I'm sure the same holds true for the 20G. A little more lag and a little less max turbo RPM, yet carries a price tag 1/3rd as much as the MHI Sleeper / Bastard turbos.

 

[roni-wan]

wow thats impressive, any timeslips?

have the vendor data? maybe will try one for that price

 

[joyfil2001]

No time slips yet but the thing pulls hard. it does take a bit to spool but once it does it rapes. highway pulls are really fun cause you are already in boost. i got it on ebay. im not going to recomend it to anyone just because if it fails for them i dont want to look like the bad guy. But so far its holding up good.

 

[90laserRSfwd]

Did you prime the turbo when you installed it? Let me explain a little. I've installed a couple turbos, only 3 of then where from the devil (I mean ebay). Of those 3, 2 failed. Funny thing is the two that failed, where the two that I (well we, vehicle owners and myself) didn't run oil through the center section before running the car. Not sure if this will help anyone but just figured I'd put it out there for someone to ponder. Another thing, there is a local turbo shop out here on in PA (Blouch Turbo Inc. - Turbo, turbochargers and performance turbochargers) that the surviving turbo was balanced and re-assembled by...

 

[joyfil2001]

Did you prime the turbo when you installed it? Let me explain a little. I've installed a couple turbos, only 3 of then where from the devil (I mean ebay). Of those 3, 2 failed. Funny thing is the two that failed, where the two that I (well we, vehicle owners and myself) didn't run oil through the center section before running the car. Not sure if this will help anyone but just figured I'd put it out there for someone to ponder. Another thing, there is a local turbo shop out here on in PA (Blouch Turbo Inc. - Turbo, turbochargers and performance turbochargers) that the surviving turbo was balanced and re-assembled by...

Yes. it was profesionally installed by Precision Tuning in NJ. They took their time and made sure everything was right before they even tried to fire up the car. Funny thing is my oil feed line to the turbo managed to get loose during my commute to work a few months back. when i got to work, 60 miles later, I noticed my oil gauge seemed pretty low. I popped the hood and there was oil gushing from the feed line and a puddle under the car. Even starving this turbo of oil it is still running strong with no shaft play.

 

[JusMX141]

I don't believe much in bench-priming. If anything, crank the engine a few revolutions with the MPI fuse pulled prior to initial startup just to be sure that oil is on it's way to the turbo. Regardless, as soon as the engine fires the turbo is seeing oil....so by the time the turbo would make enough dry revolutions to do any damage, there is plenty of oil in the journals.

When I reassemble a turbo that I rebuild, I always use engine assembly lube on all the moving parts.

 

[joyfil2001]

Im hoping to keep this thread going for information purposes. The more miles i put on, the more i will post updates. I do boost leak checks regularly, so I check for shaft play regularly. I know there is a member here who was doing a review of the ebay 16g (theWraith) but I dont think he has posted in a while on it.

 

[BoostedinSoFla]

I really wonder if the Ebay 20g's (or so called) really moves more air than the standard Ebay 16g.... It might be a situation where they just rebadge the 16g's claiming that they are 20g's. Regardless, I want nothing to do with either of them.

 

[joyfil2001]

I really wonder if the Ebay 20g's (or so called) really moves more air than the standard Ebay 16g.... It might be a situation where they just rebadge the 16g's claiming that they are 20g's. Regardless, I want nothing to do with either of them.

Well I have a Pocketlogger is there a way i can log that to see how much the turbo is flowing? I have no idea.

Also, I used to own a 2004 WRX with a VF39(slightly smaller than a 16g), supporting mods, and running 19psi. Understanding that my talon is lighter, it still pulls WAY harder then my Subaru ever did.

 

[JusMX141]

They definitely have a compressor wheel that features 20G specs. In some of the photos you can see the larger internal diameter and compressor wheel size of the eBay 20G.

However, you can't believe everything....for instance, some of the eBay 16G listings say they're clipped- THEY'RE NOT CLIPPED. The people that put that in the listing don't even know what clipping means.

 

[JusMX141]

I used to own a 2004 WRX with a VF39(slightly smaller than a 16g), supporting mods, and running 19psi. Understanding that my talon is lighter, it still pulls WAY harder then my Subaru ever did.

That's because it was a ScoobyDoo! DSM's run circles around those junkers with way less money invested. DSM's sound better, too.

 

[joyfil2001]

They definitely have a compressor wheel that features 20G specs. In some of the photos you can see the larger internal diameter and compressor wheel size of the eBay 20G.

However, you can't believe everything....for instance, some of the eBay 16G listings say they're clipped- THEY'RE NOT CLIPPED. The people that put that in the listing don't even know what clipping means.

Yea mine is apparantly "ported" . I didnt believe that at all. Hell, I dont even know what clipped means.

 

[joyfil2001]

That's because it was a ScoobyDoo! DSM's run circles around those junkers with way less money invested. DSM's sound better, too.

That made me laugh. Given what i know now, I would do anything to own an STi.

 

[JusMX141]

Yea mine is apparantly "ported" . I didnt believe that at all. Hell, I dont even know what clipped means.

The eBay 16G / 20G turbine housing's are actually cast from a ported MHI Evo III housing, so they are (debatably) ported....you'll never get one with the famous "MHI lip" in it.

Clipping is a modification to the turbine wheel which removes a small portion of the face of the turbine blades in an effort to reduce backpressure for increased airflow at full boost. It is generally only done to a turbo with a smallish turbine that is running high boost, or in a case where a compressor wheel has the ability to push more airflow than the turbine can handle.

 

[nfernotalon]

I dont have a 20g but I do have the ebay 16g that I ordered maybe 2weeks ago, it said it was ported and both the exhaust side and compressor were way bigger in the opening than my 14b, so i do believe mine was ported, the 16g pulls a lot harder than the 14b, for now.

 

[joyfil2001]

I dont have a 20g but I do have the ebay 16g that I ordered maybe 2weeks ago, it said it was ported and both the exhaust side and compressor were way bigger in the opening than my 14b, so i do believe mine was ported, the 16g pulls a lot harder than the 14b, for now.

Well it should definately outperform the 14b. They have been proven to work. The issues were longevity. Your 14b will probably out last your ebay 16g.

 

[nfernotalon]

Yea i understand it probably wont last near as long as a true MHI turbo since my 14b has 197,000 miles on it when i took it off and had zero in and out play and as much play side to side as the 16g. Its just a turbo for now til i save up for a real turbo.

I was just talking about the porting and how mine had no lip on the exhaust side and that it really was ported.