Ebay fmic too big

[97_eclipse_gst]

Would this fmic be too much for me to get, im getting a evo big 16g and was wondering is intercooler size really mattered.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...=8043332327&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1

 

[playitlouddsm]

The only thing it might effect, is a slightly slower spool, on a smaller turbo.

 

[BaseModelEvo]

Get some info on pressure drop and CFM capabilities. That's a chunky intercooler. Also, ebay stuff fits terribly and leaks. I'm CONSTANTLY fixing and modifying ebay bought intercoolers and IC pipe kits. There's a reason the price is so low, just keep that in mind. The design is also poor on the driver's side coutlet. End tanks should flow smoothly or bend smooth into the outlet pipe, where this FMIC seems to collect at the bottom and 90 out, it's about the worst combo for charge air flow. Try to find a better constructed FMIC, check out my site and hit me up during business hours, I can get you into a sweet set up without killing your pocket book. Best of luck, sorry to be a downer. Let me know if I can help out.

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

Get some info on pressure drop and CFM capabilities. That's a chunky intercooler. Also, ebay stuff fits terribly and leaks. I'm CONSTANTLY fixing and modifying ebay bought intercoolers and IC pipe kits. There's a reason the price is so low, just keep that in mind. The design is also poor on the driver's side coutlet. End tanks should flow smoothly or bend smooth into the outlet pipe, where this FMIC seems to collect at the bottom and 90 out, it's about the worst combo for charge air flow. Try to find a better constructed FMIC, check out my site and hit me up during business hours, I can get you into a sweet set up without killing your pocket book. Best of luck, sorry to be a downer. Let me know if I can help out.

make sure you are set up as a vendor before you start advertising your services.

 

[Tx97GSX]

If you think that FMIC design sucks then you must think that the AGP or Slowboy design sucks too because it's basically the same design.

 

[DSMark]

I don't like how the endtanks are placed at all and that fmic really does look cheaply made.

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

There is reason the price is low. Air to Air core and pipes don't cost much to make.

What is wrong with the endtanks? That design is probably the shortest route possible. Cheaply made? And another company talking down on a product, of course, they are trying to sell theirs. If they can sell me one for $300 shipped with:

28X10.5X3.5 bar and plate core
4 ply silicone couplers
T-bolt clamps
2.5" polished beaded shortest route possible for 2g piping
polished and beaded endtanks

Give me a call.

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Read this entire thread:
http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207809

People have leak tested, logged, all good results. All the information you will need to learn about EBAY fmic and more so the XS/SS autochrome one you linked are in that thread. There are MANY who will vouch for this kit from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. This is possibly the best FMIC kit for a 2G for the price no doubt about it.

 

[skinnykenny84]

I second that. I might not buy one of their turbos but I would deffinetly get a fmic kit from them. If you search ebay enough you will see that some of the kits are not "buy it now" but you can bid and Ive seen em go for around $250. You just cant beat that for piping, couplers and all t-bolt clamps included. You know if the big name Manufactures didnt try to beat us in the head we wouldnt have to worry about cheap stuff being good and vise versa.

 

[skinnykenny84]

by the way, anyone know where the bov is positioned with this kit? Just wondering if you need a gm maft setup if the bov cant be recirculated

 

[clipse0001]

I got a small one from them. Pressure tested to 17 psi and then the pressure tester popped off so i didnt go any more. The one i got looks like the pte small core. Only thing that worries me on xspower cores is that they look like the bars are glued tigether instead of being welded and will explode when they see some big boost. Let us know how it turns out.

-Anton-

 

[MyBeatGSX]

I'm sure it out performs the stock sidemount, but I'd have to go with the people that are saying the end tanks and inlet/outlet are horrible. Those also aren't T bolt clamps. Real T-Bolt clamps cost like $10 each and have lock washer stacks (like the kind used for the turbo bolts) behind the nut. Those are the junk ones that Autozone has on its intake kits.

 

[fwdeclipse]

I'm sure it out performs the stock sidemount, but I'd have to go with the people that are saying the end tanks and inlet/outlet are horrible. Those also aren't T bolt clamps. Real T-Bolt clamps cost like $10 each and have lock washer stacks (like the kind used for the turbo bolts) behind the nut. Those are the junk ones that Autozone has on its intake kits.

I own this kit and quality is very good.I pressure tested it at 40psi for over an hour.I dont know what you think a t-bolt is but those are t-bolts.I got the exact same thing from a hose distrubutor for 11$ and it was the exact same thing.

 

[BaseModelEvo]

Most FMIC kits are built around the intercooler. The intercooler is designed and tested to the highest possible flow #s for a particular application. Then the piping kit is built around the FMIC. The design and welds show, such as in this piece by APEX'i:

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The SS Autochrome intercoolers are a good bang for their buck. They hold good boost. But the welds are not up to par, and the piping kits using require modifications and still fit poory as they are quickly designed to fit, not to flow. As i said, the passenger side endtank is not designed well for airflow. it end abruptly and does not offer a teansition from the plates to the end-tank and then into the piping. Air is forced down and into a 90 degree bend, probably so the FMIC fits the car without modification or shorting piping routes. We have several Evos come through with SS autochrome intercoolers, they simply don't fit. Quality is okay, but they make the piping for an OEM FMIC, and then send a new IC that is longer or fatter, or relocates the piping, thus the piping does not fit. I'm not knocking their product, I'm speaking from experience. We don't build intercoolers, but we constantly install QUALITY HKS, GReddy, APEX, Perrin, etc ICs. Fitment is perfect each time. Another reason for good fitment is, they R&D a REAL car. Most companies who sell so cheaply sell because...THEY RIP OFF THE DESIGN from a major manufacturer. Thus, no need to sell for so much, because they had no R&D. AGain notice entank design and welds that are hardly noticable from APEX:

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Buy what you'd like. It's your money, I'm simply letting you know what's real. Things that are "Too Good to be true"....generally ARE. And eventually it will be at your expensive when it pops on high boost and you scatter a motor.

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

I'm sure it out performs the stock sidemount, but I'd have to go with the people that are saying the end tanks and inlet/outlet are horrible. Those also aren't T bolt clamps. Real T-Bolt clamps cost like $10 each and have lock washer stacks (like the kind used for the turbo bolts) behind the nut. Those are the junk ones that Autozone has on its intake kits.

Right those arent t-bolts, I had to order 2 more from Summit racing ### im doing a gm maft setup and guess what? They look exactly the same as my XSpower kit. I guess Summit doesnt know what real t-bolt clamps are.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

Right those arent t-bolts, I had to order 2 more from Summit racing ### im doing a gm maft setup and guess what? They look exactly the same as my XSpower kit. I guess Summit doesnt know what real t-bolt clamps are.

I wouldn't even order a bolt on exhaust tip from summit, for fear of it being contaminated by redneck germs.

The "T bolt" clamps in that kit (and from summit apparently) are garbage. They strip easily, back off for the fun of it, and can't be heavily torqued down. I would know, I've had to use them many times. That bolt has a nasty habit of bending in a half circle (with the curve of the pipe) when tighted, which makes it hard to get off or reuse.

These are T-Bolt clamps...

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[luvmygst]

Actually those arent t-bolt clamps. They are high quality wormdrive clamps. I use them my self. They are used on tractor trailers, for the i/c system and the water pipes. I get mine from a local truck junkyard because they are more expensive than t-bolts. Like 20 bucks apiece for new ones, at least that is what they quoted me. I goto the junkyard and get 10 of them for 20-30 bucks, because they will not reuse them when building a tractor. But sorry they arent true t-bolts. THe pics posted above are t-bolt clamps.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

My bad. The shop that sold them called them T bolts.

Either way the idea is the same. Those bolts suck. The only clamps I've seen on high powered cars around here are the ones I'm using.

 

[1SloColt]

So much bad information its making my head spin. Those aren't tbolt clamps, like luvmygst described, they are constant torque clamps of the worm-driven variety. Here is the link to the info: Constant Torque Clamps . They don't seem too expensive to me.

Here are t-bolt clamps to clear this one up: T-bolt Clamps

 

[luvmygst]

So much bad information its making my head spin. Those aren't tbolt clamps, like luvmygst described, they are constant torque clamps of the worm-driven variety. Here is the link to the info: Constant Torque Clamps . They don't seem too expensive to me.

Here are t-bolt clamps to clear this one up: T-
bolt Clamps

Where did you get a price from? I'm just curious because I need some more for my mustang project. These clamps work really well, they dont strip like regular clamps, and I have never had one blow off and my some of my pipes arent beaded.

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

Your comparing the EVO SS Autochrome FMIC kit? Compare the FMIC kits from Greddy and APEXi for the 2G DSMS with the DSM XS Auto FMIC kit, you will see how it is superior in every way. A couple of us who have switched to the XS have come from the Big Greddy 24R. The piping on the greddy is smaller, the couplers and clamps are inferior, and the routing sucks. Not to mention The Greddy kit does not include all the pipes. The core is smaller and very fragile. And according to mine and other DSMLink logs, there was an improvement on the switch.

So would AGP's kit not be good because of how its designed? If that flaw in both AGP and XS's kit makes a big difference, I would like to see some logs and dynos. Will spending the extra $500 be worth it?

http://agpturbo.com/product.php?productid=16204&cat=260&page=1

 

[420Adriver]

does anyone know where i can get an intercooler with piping for a 420a and an exhaust manifold i have everything else oh and a downpipe i found an intercooler on ebay for 650 but it looks like crap and the 420a turbo manifolds on ebay for 250 are shitty oh i need one with an external wastegate

 

[wret]

Where did you get a price from? I'm just curious because I need some more for my mustang project. These clamps work really well, they dont strip like regular clamps, and I have never had one blow off and my some of my pipes arent beaded.

McMaster-Carr has pretty good prices on "constant tension" hose clamps. Most sizes are about 6 or 7 bucks for stainless.

 

[vintagemuscle]

I'm sure it out performs the stock sidemount, but I'd have to go with the people that are saying the end tanks and inlet/outlet are horrible. Those also aren't T bolt clamps. Real T-Bolt clamps cost like $10 each and have lock washer stacks (like the kind used for the turbo bolts) behind the nut. Those are the junk ones that Autozone has on its intake kits.

they may not be t-bolts but they are the clamps that buschur uses on their fmic kit, and they work perfectly well for intercooler pipes.

 

[97_eclipse_gst]

With this front mount would i have to adjust the bumper alot, would i have to cut the bumper at all and if so alot. Or would i be better off with a smaller front mount such as this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/95-9...ewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQitemZ8047677922QQrdZ1

Would i get alot more power from the bigger front mount (on the first post), than this smaller one above?

 

[H8rade]

I have a Evo VIII intercooler on ebay. You won't need to worry about quality on that one and it's perfect for a 4G63 with 16G setup... I have a friend here in town this is running an Evo FMIC with this setup. Bigger is not always better. If you google something like "intercooler design" you'll learn alot about what to look for.