EBAY $675 turbokit installed on a 1G (pics)

[No_Skillz]

That's why I make 'em on the car. It's the only sure way to guarantee fitment.

Hold the bus! You make these to sell?

 

[aero_sallee]

thanks again for those pipes Newlogics. they fit perfect.

Just an observation, but it seems like the pipes would line up alot better if you just flipped the IC core so the outlets are on the top instead. Wouldn't have to have that multi bend to go through the rad support. Seems like it would just need a new mounting bracket. Maybe I'm missing something though.

 

[vintagemuscle]

Just an observation, but it seems like the pipes would line up alot better if you just flipped the IC core so the outlets are on the top instead. Wouldn't have to have that multi bend to go through the rad support. Seems like it would just need a new mounting bracket. Maybe I'm missing something though.

before i gave up on making those pipes myself i thought of that but i think that it would have to be much more of a severe bend and also more complicated to make. the end tanks of the fmic stick out farther than the holes in the core support meaning that either way their would have to be multiple bends in the pipes.

 

[Newlogics]

Just an observation, but it seems like the pipes would line up alot better if you just flipped the IC core so the outlets are on the top instead. Wouldn't have to have that multi bend to go through the rad support. Seems like it would just need a new mounting bracket. Maybe I'm missing something though.

The main reason for not doing that is the fact that when you put fmic on upside down, endtanks end up right on the level of your steel bumper support, and pointing right into bumper struts.

 

[Newlogics]

Hold the bus! You make these to sell?

Not normally (they're not cost-effective to make. Takes too long), but if I get request, and have some free time, then why not.

 

[Ravenous]

those pipes are B-E-A-UTIFUL!!!

 

[aero_sallee]

The main reason for not doing that is the fact that when you put fmic on upside down, endtanks end up right on the level of your steel bumper support, and pointing right into bumper struts.

Yeah I should have looked closer, I can see what you are saying. Its been too long since I had a 1g. If you had a slightly smaller core it might work, but not with that one.

 

[my98GST]

I kinda wish I would have found this deal and had some feedback before I went and dropped 900 bucks on my 20g alone

 

[green92gsx]

As for the comment on that bend, that everyone seems to love or hate, think about this:
Extreme PSI short-route street core FMIC has 90* endtanks, which means air hits a wall at full speed, twice. That kit is still more efficient then long-route piping. That bend directs air into the FMIC at MUCH smoother angle then 90* endtank, so do your math.

I think having a straight shot into and out of the core would be way more efficient even with the say extra 6-12in of piping. Plus, the 180* bends around the core supports are more gradual and not as sharp.
Those are some real tight double 90* bends. I just don't see how it out performs the long route style.

Belive me,we did this years ago before anyone even thought of using these cores. We got mine directly from Japan before the big intercooler price wars began.
Awsome fab work neverless.

 

[Newlogics]

I think having a straight shot into and out of the core would be way more efficient even with the say extra 6-12in of piping. Plus, the 180* bends around the core supports are more gradual and not as sharp.
Those are some real tight double 90* bends. I just don't see how it out performs the long route style.

Belive me,we did this years ago before anyone even thought of using these cores. We got mine directly from Japan before the big intercooler price wars began.
Awsome fab work neverless.

I never said it ourperforms longer route. (at least it's not proven). The problem is that longer route is virtually impossible to do cleanly on drv. side of a 1G. 2G is a whole another story though.

 

[Newlogics]

I know a lot of you guys have been waiting for an update on this, and I finally have one for you.

Turbo is done for. I see this kind of failure for the first time in my DSM life. A retaining nut came off the shaft and detached compressor wheel from the shaft. I'm stil yet to find the nut, but I assume it got stuck on GM MAFT mesh screen, or inside compressor housing. Either way , it's not pretty. I'll have some pics later.

As for the OBX manifold, surprizingly enough, it didn't crack, and the rest of the turbo kit is still intact and functioning fine.

 

[T9S1i]

wouldnt it hit the fmic before it got to the gm maf?

Did he ever take it to fftec to get dyno'd or no?

I hope this doesnt delay the work on my car for too long!

 

[Newlogics]

Well, here it is.

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Owner already has new 60 trim and cast manifold lined up for the car, so I will rip that ebay turbo apart to see if I find more intersting stuff.

 

[Newlogics]

wouldnt it hit the fmic before it got to the gm maf?

Did he ever take it to fftec to get dyno'd or no?

I hope this doesnt delay the work on my car for too long!

Never made it to the dyno unfortunately. I tried to get him to do it, but it's his decision.
I plan to have that turbo swap done by monday/tuesday, so I shouldn't get in a way of your build. And yes, you're right, it probably got stuck somewhere in the FMIC, if it ever cleared comp. housing. , although it's weird to see that blades aren't damaged.

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

Sorry to hear that happened. Do you know how long the nut has been off, has it been driven quite a bit like that, or did you know right when it happened?

Any proximate/direct damage result to any other components beside the turbo itself?

I don't know that it matters much how much it would have dynoed?

 

[compression]

update on mine as well, my pacesetter header cracked all around the #1 runner in the collector, so i ported a 2g and swapped them, and my car spools alot faster and seems to hold boost better, which leads me to think maybe it was cracked longer then i thought or in more then 1 place, or maybe it just sucked

 

[bushy]

hmm

for future referance, before you install a ebay turbo would some threadlocker solve this problem?

 

[Boosted98gsx]

hmm

for future referance, before you install a ebay turbo would some threadlocker solve this problem?

The geniouses at XSPower probably used a clockwise tightening bolt on a clockwise spinning compressor.

 

[GSTeclipse]

hmm

for future referance, before you install a ebay turbo would some threadlocker solve this problem?

You would not be putting thread locker in the turbo cause it comes put together already and should be done right when you get it in the 1st place ...using thread locker on the Manifold bolt's , 02 housing bolts and turbo bolts yes.......

 

[endlessMyk]

easy , easy he's New .........Got to learn somewhere what better place then this right ?

On a completely OT note, I don't see why everyone is sackriding these welds. The routing/setup is good, looks like a nice concept, but the welds look chunky, like the guy dripped. It's not even pressed around the pipe... I dunno, I mean, I've seen a lot worse... but they're meh.

 

[Newlogics]

hmm

for future referance, before you install a ebay turbo would some threadlocker solve this problem?

Threadlock is not an option. The turbo comes assembled and balanced. Removing that nut will throw it off balance, and it would have to be professionally rebalanced.

No other damaged has been caused by the failure as far as I can tell at this point. However, I still need to tear it down to confirm.

Turbo lasted about 6K miles, but there where hard miles, at 24+ psi at times. Nut came off about a two weeks ago, at wich point the car was parked.

As for the dyno estimates, for what it's worth, it felt like around 340hp to me (compared to similar setups that have been dynoed, that I drove)

on a side note, I looked around at other XSpower turbo retailers, and then now claim that particular turbo to be efficient between 8-14psi, which obviously doesn't make sense given the dimensions the turbo, aside from the fact, that it kept making more power above 20psi. It looks like that 'efficiensy' range was added into the description to deal with all the warranty claims IMO.

 

[Stapl3]

hmm

for future referance, before you install a ebay turbo would some threadlocker solve this problem?

Guys, don't leave this thread thinking the only problem with ebay china turbos is the nut comes off. Anything can and WILL happen, this is just one of multiple possibilites.

 

[bushy]

Threadlock is not an option. The turbo comes assembled and balanced. Removing that nut will throw it off balance, and it would have to be professionally rebalanced.

Thank you for your educated answer as opposed to a jerk ass comment.

 

[Newlogics]

Guys, don't leave this thread thinking the only problem with ebay china turbos is the nut comes off. Anything can and WILL happen, this is just one of multiple possibilites.

That's what it seem like. Other people have been reporting other problems, and they're all different, so it's a really hit-or-miss with those turbos. It doesn't seem like there is one thing you can fix and have yourself a good turbo.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

That's what it seem like. Other people have been reporting other problems, and they're all different, so it's a really hit-or-miss with those turbos. It doesn't seem like there is one thing you can fix and have yourself a good turbo.

More like miss-or-miss, just how far away the swing is from the ball.