Eagle Talon Tranny?

[ThatNew95EsiGuy]

Well hello Dsm! and everyone on it, as you can see im fairly new to this forum myself but i have heard good things about it and wanted to join DSM. sooo here i am, and now i have a 95 non turbo talon. 5 speed. i just got this car last week, and its at 160k miles. i ran into a problem todayy. :/

third gears grinds a bit i noticed but it has not affected it much. But today i was driving home from work and was in second, stepped on the clutch and let off the gas, and the next thing i see is the oil light come on, my rpms DROP and my car shuts off. sooo i have to get it towed to my house and now im stuck.

i called up a buddy of mine who is good with these kinds of cars, he owned a turbo tsi a few years back and he said my tranny might have just fallen, or popped outta place and to check the bolt on the tranny side to see if it was just stripped and popped off. i tryed starting it again and it wont, i flip the key and it sounds like it wants to start but wont turn.

what im thinking is that either the threading was too stripped and the bolt popped off but it was too dark and figured i would leave it till the morning! but i was thinking why not get on and see if any of these great minds on the forum could help with the info that im able to provide at the moment.

but any help would be greatly appreciated and i look forward to a good time on this forum because i plan to stick around! thanks.

 

[Vladimir]

There is more than just one bolt holding the tranny and the engine together. When you press on the clutch, you disengage it, and it's rare for the transmission to get ruined from that, usually tranny gets locked up or ruined on engagement under heavy loads.

There is more information that you should add on how it happened. Did the wheels lock up? Did you hear any grinding or chattering noise? Does your car crank over? Does your tranny shifts through all the gears? Etc...

I don't see any reasons for the cluster to show you oil symbol, if the problem is in your tranny. You could have a major electrical problem tho. Maybe one of the sensors like the cam or crank went out, coil pack, etc.... Could even be the ecu.

We need a little more info

 

[bryanwheat]

Kind of sounds like something came apart with the clutch or flywheel and is maybe jammed in between the bell housing and flywheel. Transmissions don't typically just fall out.

 

[ThatNew95EsiGuy]

thanks for the reply i hope to get this started quick!

well it was dark so i couldn't see much so im going to check it out tmmrow morning, but yeah i was sitting in the car going thru all the gears with the clutch pushed in of course and it feels alright, but reverse seems outta place or something.

i dont wanna start calling out things and not have full detail. but as far as it goes as wanting to start it kinda feels like if i was trying to start it without holding in the clutch.

but basically what happened was i was downshifting, i was in second then my Rpms went to zero and my car shut off :/ im going to try and take a look at in the morning but as of right now i dont have much. im going to do more look over in the morning and come updated with more info

Kind of sounds like something came apart with the clutch or flywheel and is maybe jammed in between the bell housing and flywheel. Transmissions don't typically just fall out.

Yeah my buddie i mentioned said, "Dude check your thread on the bolt, tranny side it might have been stripped and popped off,"
and in reply i asked if that would make my car just completely shut off,
and he said "i would think so beacuse the flywheel cant rotate at an angle, hopefully nothing messed up." and if is just a few bolts he said it could easily be a 80 dollar fix. hope so.

 

[Vladimir]

I don't think the reverse on your car is synchronized, so thats why it may feel a little weird. Also if it shifts good through all the gears, the car rolls with no problem and when you crank the car it spins over with no unfamiliar noises, also if the clutch feels good, I dont think the tranny is the problem, probably a rand sensor went out and shut the car off.

But you never know, until you actually look at it.

 

[scottdsm4g63t]

the oil light came on? thats odd. does the car just sit there and crank? im curious on this topic also is it possible the clutch fork might of completely snapped off? or a bearing somewhere in there broke? im still learning everyday sense im fairly new to the dsm world ive been through 2 eclipses both 420a;s and i had a problem similiar to this on my 96rs but it was the clutch fork broke so i couldnt engage the clutch to start it

 

[Vladimir]

A broken clutch for and a bearing are not likely to cause a severe problem as this. If a for breaks you wouldnt be able to engage or disengage the gears without grinding, because the throw out bearing wouldn't be able to press on the pressure plate. If it's any other bearing on the tranny, they usually give you a sign before going, such as humming, whistling, or grinding. But that wouldn't cause that

 

[lancedsm]

the oil light came on? thats odd. does the car just sit there and crank? im curious on this topic also is it possible the clutch fork might of completely snapped off? or a bearing somewhere in there broke? im still learning everyday sense im fairly new to the dsm world ive been through 2 eclipses both 420a;s and i had a problem similiar to this on my 96rs but it was the clutch fork broke so i couldnt engage the clutch to start it

The oil light came one cause the engine stalled. very very rarely a clutch fork brakes if it did it would still start cause there is a switch on the clutch when you push it in and let the engine start doesn't matter if there a clutch problem.

third gears grinds a bit i noticed but it has not affected it much. But today i was driving home from work and was in second, stepped on the clutch and let off the gas, and the next thing i see is the oil light come on, my rpms DROP and my car shuts off. sooo i have to get it towed to my house and now im stuck.

I don't think you have a tranny problem sounds like to me a timing belt broke or like other said a senser went bad but your tranny probably grinds cause the synchronizer are worn they can go a long time like that but 420a are know for weak trannys where i live you can find them for 200 to 400 $ if that is a problem.

 

[ThatNew95EsiGuy]

Hello all! well im up sowhat early and im about to hopp under the hood and see whats up, well try at least.

but as far as it goes, the car will go thru all the gears fine, i just have the cluth in and im going thru all the gears and it feels fine, i just have to get revers a lil adjusted. but it will stit there and crank like it wants to start but wont :/ yesterday one of my friends tryed to push start it and it almost worked. it gave me like one good turn but then it shut right off. today oe of my buddies is coming over to check it out and see if it might just be some belts or it might be a sensor. ill be back with more info!

I went in this morning and tryed to give it a start, but its not. sooo im thinking imma going to have to wait, the oil light is still on for some reason, it goes thru the gears fine still tho. hopefully it is just asensor or something.

 

[bryanwheat]

If the car isn't running the oil light will be on, there is no pressure.

 

[refugiob]

Dude all the gears to the back feel loose -_- 2nd 4th and reverse feel all loose when you pull them back. they go to far back when you pull it. maybe this will help since your not saying how the gears feel haha.

 

[ThatNew95EsiGuy]

Well we defiantly have to wait for Mikey, ### im out of ideas, and i dont even have tools. ://

but see the car does roll fine, we can throw it in neutral and it will roll, so i dont think its the flywheel because if the flywheel was jammed it wouldn't roll right?

im thinking it could be a sensor or maybe a timing belt, but the clutch and the gas pedal, and brake pedals defiantly need to be adjusted.

Well im done going around for now, definatly needs adjustments, some wiring to be redone, but i dont understand whyy it wont start, it cranks and cranks but wont start.

 

[refugiob]

I doubt its the timing belt. Dude :'(

You also forgot to mention how you were shifting at a high rpm and you thought the car was in neutral while it was in second gear and you were tring to shift to third.

 

[scottdsm4g63t]

A broken clutch for and a bearing are not likely to cause a severe problem as this. If a for breaks you wouldnt be able to engage or disengage the gears without grinding, because the throw out bearing wouldn't be able to press on the pressure plate. If it's any other bearing on the tranny, they usually give you a sign before going, such as humming, whistling, or grinding. But that wouldn't cause that

well thanks for the reply im still learning alot on cars and this forum is really helping alot! but i thought i throw out a possible senario so we can rull that one out now

 

[lancedsm]

. im thinking it could be a sensor or maybe a timing belt, but the clutch and the gas pedal, and brake pedals defiantly need to be adjusted.

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I'm the one that said that the timing belt might be broke it's really easy to check there is a cover right in the middle of the timing cover it's a 10 mm bolt or 12 I can't remember but if that's fine check for spark if you have spark check the fuel rail there is a valve on it get something that will poke down in it be careful cause it will shoot fuel out if its shoots out fuel its working right. One more thing to check is the fuel pump relay I know this can down you it's happen to me twice when I had a 420a it's on the right side of the fire wall up top by the brake master cylinder look for 2 little black boxes .

 

[refugiob]

. I'm the one that said that the timing belt might be broke it's really easy to check there is a cover right in the middle of the timing cover it's a 10 mm bolt or 12 I can't remember but if that's fine check for spark if you have spark check the fuel rail there is a valve on it get sometime that will poke down in it becarefull cause it will shoot fuel out if its working right. One more thing to check is the fuel pump relay I know this can down you it's happen to me twice when I had a 420a it's on the right side of the fire wall up top by the brake master cyilnder look for 2 little black boxes .

its not the timing belt ### that was the first thing i checked when we stalled in the middle of the street... and the car is mine just saying not his hahaha

 

[lancedsm]

Well the only thing that i can think of from why its not running could be a cam sensor, coil pack,crank senor ( unlikely),fuel relay,ecu. like i said check if you have spark and fuel if you have that you should have a running engine

 

[refugiob]

haha well hopefully ### the car turns over fine. but even then the stick on the transmission feels like it slid off when you pull into 2nd 4th and reverse.

 

[lancedsm]

Dude all the gears to the back feel loose -_- 2nd 4th and reverse feel all loose when you pull them back. they go to far back when you pull it. maybe this will help since your not saying how the gears feel haha.

I think i know your problem on this one there is 2 clips on your shifting cables that hold them in place on the tranny they are kinda a pain to get to there will be a bracket that the cable are attached to the clips will be behind it if the there .

 

[refugiob]

yes dude one of friends told me the exact same thing today at school hopefully mikey can get to it since hes obsessed with these cars hahah

 

[BoostedPhoenix]

Once again if the engine is cranking cranking and cranking some more then a problem in the transmission is not a problem until you have a running engine. If the engine cranks,

Check -
1. Spark - remove a plug or two make sure they are grounded and look for spark while cranking
2. Fuel - Stick a fuel pressure gauge on the test port or push down on the valve right after cranking
3. Compression - use a compression tester or simply put your hand over one of the spark plug holes without a plug or wire in it and see if your hand gets sucked in or blown off. Really you should be able to tell if you have compression just by the sound when it turns over.

Whichever one of these things is missing is the reason your car does not run, once youve found that culprit then you can figure out what you did to the transmission.

 

[lancedsm]

I know the tarnny wasn't his engine problem I was telling him what to look for on the tranny. I pretty much told him to look for the same thing you just said a few post ago ^^^

 

[ThatNew95EsiGuy]

Whats up guys!

well after a longggg day, some dropped bolts, tools, scrapes and scratches me and my buddy Refugiob got a new alternator swapped in and its still NOT starting, its cranks when we have the jumper cables on and were thinking the battery might just be really dead. if we get a new battery in and it still doesn't start we are out of ideas! as for the fuel rail not working we checked that and sparks, plugs were changed a few weeks ago as well.

P.s TRANNY still slipping.

 

[refugiob]

well... after a 40 dollar tow to my house and five minutes of inspecting it, their was a 30a broken fuse thats for the engine .-_-. as for the tranny it still works but there is like a broken boarder inside the car