dyno numbers

[97eclipsedGS]

good luck man! keep tuning, and i know you will be able to reach 300 w/ your current setup!

sam

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by legaleagle
DAM, you spent over 8grand to gain not even 40 hp, . I guess if that is normal for a nt turned turbo then congrats. I just hope that I never see you trying to argue about the 4g engine not being a better platform to get good HP. Cause from what you have put up, all you really have is a money pit with a 264hp, about 50 more then stock on a 4g. Hell, you could have sold you car and took that money you spent and bought a 350z and only had a $10000 loan. But like everyone says, its your dough. Enjoy your ride bub.

***edit*** corrected a sentence.

I just want to chime in here for a second. First of all I see some of you 4g63 guy's asking how this became 4g63 VS. 420 a... well look right up there ^^^ and you will see why. I think Legal's intention was to attack james, but as you can see that's not how it came out. You guy's have to remember that even $10,000 in parts can yeild unsatisfactory results if you buy the wrong parts. I think that james spent some good scratch on parts that he didn't really need. The main thing I see holding him back is his fuel system. He can't run 25psi on any gas with his current injectors. He needs a better fuel setup to get where he wants to go. He built his head and had a lot of that machiene work done. Basicly all I'm trying to say is that if james had the right fuel system he would have more impressive numbers. His block would handle 25 psi on race gas, but his fuelsystem couldn't supply enough of it to feed that motor. I could run 25-30psi on race gas and my fuel system would support it, but I have an oil leak. Also It might be a while before I am comfotable enough to turn it up that high. James spent a lot of money that he didn't have to, and some of it he should have spent on a better fuel system. If he had then we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Bottom line is just because this is the path of James does not mean it is the same for everyone. I believe you guy's will be more impressed as time goes on, but again just cause you spent $10,000 does not mean you spent it correctly to get the results. I am not bashing James, he did what he wanted to do to his car, and there is nothing wrong with the road he took I just wouldn't have travled the same road. I am not impressed with his numbers either, however I know what is holding him back, and I know what the car can do in the future. The point is if you want to attack james then do so, but I think you will all have to admit, that sometimes it sounds like N/T bashing rather than James bashing.

 

[DSMNightmare]

^^^ Well said Kirby ^^^ Sorry if I presented this as a bash on 420as because I did not mean it that way.

 

[97eclipsedGS]

i agree... i see a lot of potential in james' current setup.... once he ugrades his injectors and tunes it properly, i think we will all be impressed. bottom line, i think he has the potential for a 350-400hp setup in the longrun... maybe more!

keep on tuning... good luck

 

[Strictlyimports]

Yo James Keep Boosting Bro screw the haters .

 

[siueclipse]

honestly, i wasn't that impressed with 264hp, but i new things needed to be changed.

yeah, the fuel system is holding me back. i kinda fell into everything i have now. the fuel system is in the works currently, i ordered the new vortec recalibration set, larger injectors, greddy emanage, and the new PRofec e-01 (Elec. Boost Controller & e-manage Programmer). Also, I ordered new lashers and the crower #14 cams.

this should take care of my problems. too bad i dont have enough for axles right now. .. SNAP

 

[99 gst 420a dsm]

not to bash a fellow 420a tuner, but the 4g63T guys are right, you should be running alot stronger, i have like maybe 2500 total into my cars mods, most of it was custom and i got some good deals along the way, and whats with that 20g? seems like that might be a lil large, my TO4E is no T25 but its spools, i kow what your going through, so dont get me wrong, after all this crap i have went through i hope i wont question what i have been doing for the last 2 months, and dont say your 420a is better, its just different, dont get me wrong i am happy with my car, and the only reason i got involved with tuning my 420a was because i have less into the car than i could have got another 2g turbo car for, and i have owned 4g63s, the 420a turbo was just a personal goal of mine

 

[siueclipse]

yeah, like i said, the fuel is holding me back. because of the 20g and only 310cc injectors and my calbration disk in the fmu, i couldn't run more than 12/13psi of boost at the dyno.. and the fuel still wasnt right on the dyno with the lbs i did run.

James

 

[Turbo 420a]

Consider siueclipse's fuel situation in relation to his numbers before any judgements are made. 310cc injectors really aren't enough for anything beyond 10psi. The 420a motor is expected to approach, or come damn close to 235whp while at 10psi with basic supporting mods and good tuning. 264whp at 13psi with fairly inadequate injectors and an incorrect S-FMU calibration disk would be expected. Once the fuel issues are solved there should be a healthy increase in power.

 

[kamakazy59]

im not sure but How easy is it for the 4g63 boys to go from 2.0 to a 2.4 or even a 2.6 Turboed? and i have considered buying a turbo eclipse but id rather the insurance Co. not knowing im driving a turbo, ($$$1,250 a year extra!!! ) { already pay $3500yr} MA sux

 

[DSMNightmare]

Stroker motors are common with both 420a and 4G63 applications.

 

[projectturbo99]

DAMN YOU 4G63 FELLAS GOT ISSUES, GOT NOTIN BETTER TO DO THAN TALK SHIT ABOUT US. GET A LIFE YOU LOSERS.:laugh:

 

[legaleagle]

Man project your a freakin tool. This thread has been dead for almost a month. Dont you have anything better to do then troll old posts and start crap. Go back under your rock with your N/T attitude, Do you write just to see your words? , Keep up the good work there Skippy. Haa

 

[siueclipse]

oh and btw.. all of this is without any real tuning.. no afc, no datalogging, no nothing.

the electronics i have ordered are on backorder, so those are going to be awhile, but the 440cc injectors should be here on monday or tuesday, then im going to go dyno again and turn out some better numbers.

James

 

[BakerGSX]

Originally posted by projectturbo99
DAMN YOU 4G63 FELLAS GOT ISSUES, GOT NOTIN BETTER TO DO THAN TALK SHIT ABOUT US. GET A LIFE YOU LOSERS.:laugh:

I would say that after speding however much you did for your stage II and only running 16s your the loser.:laugh:

 

[BakerGSX]

oh and btw.. all of this is without any real tuning.. no afc, no datalogging, no nothing.

Isn't that whay you go to the dyno for is to do real tuning?

 

[projectturbo99]

16's are my non turbo timeslips. i havent ran it yet.

 

[Eagle 5]

where do u guys get he spent $10,000? if you are including every mod to hsi car than your wrong. I will have spent around 7-8k on my car for (PERFORANCE ONLY) thats for the turbo kit, rebuilt engine (bottom end and head) sheetmetal intake manifold, 65mm mustang tb, ported ad polished exhaust manifold, exhaust... complete fuel system comes with the kit, including new fuel rail. new clutch

engine will have JE pistons (maybe something else, not sure yet)
eagle rods (or crower if not too much more)
moly coated pistons and crankshaft
new rings, oil pump, bearing caps yadda yadda

head wise...
better lifters/lash adjusters and rockers
crower titanium retainers/ springs
stainless valves

not getting it ported yet and not getting cams yet (need more money first so thats in time)

my car will be around 400-450hp once it is tuned and running about 18-20 psi on a 57 trim t3/t4. however, I wont know the exact amount until end of October or so after engine is put in and all normal break in and stuff is done.

now if you want to consider the rims/ tires, alignment and other crap on my car, then i spent around 11k - 12k... only considering what is spent on performance, 7-8k

 

[Turbo 420a]

Word to your turbo.

Too bad there are no dyno tuning shops around here :-( I found a shop with a dyno but the shop is strictly diesel performance. Hope they can make an exception!

 

[siueclipse]

Originally posted by BakerGSX


Isn't that whay you go to the dyno for is to do real tuning?

tuning by egt temps and tuning by wideband are two different things.

 

[BakerGSX]

Originally posted by siueclipse


tuning by egt temps and tuning by wideband are two different things.

I thought you said before that this dyno you go to does not have a wideband O2? Also you should never tune by EGTs, especially if your going to use that autometer EGT guage.

 

[BakerGSX]

Originally posted by Eagle 5
where do u guys get he spent $10,000? if you are including every mod to hsi car than your wrong. I will have spent around 7-8k on my car for (PERFORANCE ONLY) thats for the turbo kit, rebuilt engine (bottom end and head) sheetmetal intake manifold, 65mm mustang tb, ported ad polished exhaust manifold, exhaust... complete fuel system comes with the kit, including new fuel rail. new clutch

engine will have JE pistons (maybe something else, not sure yet)
eagle rods (or crower if not too much more)
moly coated pistons and crankshaft
new rings, oil pump, bearing caps yadda yadda

head wise...
better lifters/lash adjusters and rockers
crower titanium retainers/ springs
stainless valves

not getting it ported yet and not getting cams yet (need more money first so thats in time)

my car will be around 400-450hp once it is tuned and running about 18-20 psi on a 57 trim t3/t4. however, I wont know the exact amount until end of October or so after engine is put in and all normal break in and stuff is done.

now if you want to consider the rims/ tires, alignment and other crap on my car, then i spent around 11k - 12k... only considering what is spent on performance, 7-8k

Man, maybe next time you should look and see how old a thread is before you go trying to open up old shit. Also I would LOVE and I do mean LOVE to see you pull 400-450hp to the wheels at 20psi.

 

[Eagle 5]

Originally posted by BakerGSX


Man, maybe next time you should look and see how old a thread is before you go trying to open up old shit. Also I would LOVE and I do mean LOVE to see you pull 400-450hp to the wheels at 20psi.

well one, this topis was at the top of the list. yeah i read through the posts but i did not look to see when they wer posted. i "assumed" it was not too old since its at the top ut some of it im sure is. my mistake.

2.. i said my car should be around 400-450 hp, not whp. whp hoepfully will be 350-400 (my goal) on 20 psi. i have other things done to beside just the turbo kit so there will eb some gains in other places. but either way. that is what im going for and I will try to make it. either way though I should be pretty close to that mark. still depends on some of some of the engine stuff i end up doing.

 

[BakerGSX]

Originally posted by Eagle 5


well one, this topis was at the top of the list. yeah i read through the posts but i did not look to see when they wer posted. i "assumed" it was not too old since its at the top ut some of it im sure is. my mistake.

2.. i said my car should be around 400-450 hp, not whp. whp hoepfully will be 350-400 (my goal) on 20 psi. i have other things done to beside just the turbo kit so there will eb some gains in other places. but either way. that is what im going for and I will try to make it. either way though I should be pretty close to that mark. still depends on some of some of the engine stuff i end up doing.

Ok I can see 350-400, but you are going to need a MONSTER turbo. The true efficiency range of most larger turbos is over 20psi. Hahn didn't even see close to 400hp until they crossed over 25psi. Good luck and I hope you see your goal.

 

[Turbo 420a]

Originally posted by BakerGSX


I thought you said before that this dyno you go to does not have a wideband O2? Also you should never tune by EGTs, especially if your going to use that autometer EGT guage.

I have a couple frightening stories of guys who used their EGT gauge solely to tune. Let's just say one of those cars is now a scrap parts car, and it was a 12 second TSi! Ouch.

Wideband O2 is different because it is actually accurate (what a concept). Downside is that if there are no shops nearby you who have one then you will have to buy (or borrow) one - and that sucks because they can approach $1k

If you have to tune, do it right with wideband. There is FJO wideband o2 setups for sale at this website. Anybody know of a cheaper setup?

http://www.mvpmotorsports.com/Templates/frmTemplateH.asp?SubFolderID=216&SearchYN=N