Drifting [Merged 9-8]

[John_GST]

MY friend got a viscous coupler eliminator and put dummy axles in the back or something and made his rwd and it was cheap and not hard to do. 600 hp will be all over the place at the time his was around 350 rwhp and he was all over the road when he got on it. It's not as hard as people are making it sound. My friend might be converting back to rwd to play around with drifting. I'm pretty sure it only takes him an hour to switch from awd to rwd. This project could be alot more difficult and expensive if you do it the other ways suggested.If you're still interested I could find out some more from him.

Yeah Bro! Give me some info on that if you dont mind. i appreciate it

 

[AndrewD5418]

Ofcourse you guys are talking about show drifting and not race drifting. Because you can drift an AWD car, its actually done somewhat frequently in real racing. VERY dangerous because to make an AWD drift requires a lot of speed and power. Because of this I can not suggest this being a good idea.

But good luck and there are like 4-5 RWD talons/eclipses I have seen or heard of. Actually Mowery Racing is selling the car and the whole thing including sponsorships for 45k if you want to contact him. This includes full trailer.

Alot of speed and power? Scandi flick man, scandi flick.

 

[wvturbo2]

My friend was in a hurry so there might be some info missing, but I'll try to get all of it. What it sounds like is you need to buy a viscous coupling elminator and install that in your trans. and the put dummy axles in the front and that should give you rwd. Though i think it is hard on center diff and transfer case.
Vid of him dynoing rwd. Low oil pressure and someother tuning caused low numbers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-O46Mk2GOU
Way home, shitty video, but i was in an Nsx and its hard to stay straight when he was raping it, but you can still see the back end sliding around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AIDXN-tB40

 

[bighroder]

I was wondering if anyone has heard of drifting an all wheel drive car before. I thought it would be funny to see. Has anyone here actualy tried to drift, on ashphalt. I dont know if i want to try?

 

[JungulSouljah]

It doesn't work so well on pavement but in the dirt it's possible. RWD cars are a better choice for drifting.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

I have drifted an AWD Car before, it was my 1st gen TAlon.. and it was NOT easy... It took TONS of rain and alot of speed to get the car to break traction going into a turn... Its more like a power slide then a drift when it comes to AWD.

Which is why nobody tries it really. Drifting is a controlled slide. Key word, Slide!

 

[TunaTalon]

Here ( http://www.drifting.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1067.html) is a link to some brave souls who have tried drifting with AWD cars.

All competition drifters use RWD and even better rear tires that break loose easy.

On the other hand after my stroker upgrade I used a little too much throttle in a 90 degree turn onto the county road. All four broke loose and a terrible noise came from the passenger seat.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

All four broke loose and a terrible noise came from the passenger seat.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[talonTSIDriver]

I can drift/power slide my AWD talon When I come to a turn, i use my left foot to brake while using my right foot for keeping on the throttle, half way through the turn I let off the brake and flick the wheel and all 4 wheels spin causing me to power slide around the turn.

Here's a pic:

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[TSG59_Steve]

That's an awesome pic ^^^^

 

[DGajre777]

I can drift/power slide my AWD talon When I come to a turn, i use my left foot to brake while using my right foot for keeping on the throttle, half way through the turn I let off the brake and flick the wheel and all 4 wheels spin causing me to power slide around the turn.

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Awesome pic!

Why not use the e-brake and the gas pedal?

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Awesome pic!

Why not use the e-brake and the gas pedal?

unless your in the movie F&F, e-brake will not lock up the rear wheels in an AWD car.

 

[xxraptor660xx]

unless your in the movie F&F, e-brake will not lock up the rear wheels in an AWD car.

Why not?

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Why not?

With AWD, all your wheels are connected. In order to lock up your rear wheels with the e-brake, you must have one powerfull e-brake.

 

[xxraptor660xx]

With AWD, all your wheels are connected. In order to lock up your rear wheels with the e-brake, you must have one powerfull e-brake.

Getting one powerfull Ebrake would be more conveniant for drifting wouldnt it?

 

[mavisky]

All competition drifters use RWD and even better rear tires that break loose easy.

This is a very common mis-conception. Every professional drifter will use some of the stickiest tires available from their respective tire sponsors. They know more than enough ways to break the traction, but the higher grip levels give them more control over the drift than some pos all seasons ever would.

 

[mavisky]

The e-brake will change the brake bias going into the corner, but it won't lock the wheels up as they're mechanically linked to the still rolling front wheels. Your e-brake would have to lock up the rears, driveshaft, transfer case, front diff, and front tires since they're all connected.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Getting one powerfull Ebrake would be more conveniant for drifting wouldnt it?

I suppose it would.

 

[98mitsuGSX-SD]

Umm, Why is this in the appearance, interior, exterior forum?

 

[talonTSIDriver]

because drifting is all about style points.

 

[DGajre777]

Your e-brake would have to lock up the rears, driveshaft, transfer case, front diff, and front tires since they're all connected.

That makes sense now. Thanks!

 

[jtmcinder]

If you remove the VC, then you can use the e-brake to break an AWD loose. (One reason why you can drift an Evo or STi is the center snaps open as soon as you touch the e-brake.) But a functioning VC in a DSM makes it a challenge to break just the rears free. The way people drift AWDs with working center LSDs is some variant of the Scandanavian Flick (see DIZMM's post).

- Jtoby

 

[Talesin]

jtm, one more important reason that you can drift an Evo or an STi is because they have uneven power splits. 30/70 in the case of the Evo, 35/65 in the case of the STi. You can get an Evo3 center diff and drop it into a DSM tranny to get that 30/70 split, if you really want to drift it but don't want to shell out to do a RWD conversion.

As for drifting a 50/50 split like ours, we tend to understeer before the back end lets go, with most of the 'basic' methods. Generally you need to get the back end of the car VERY stiff (sway bar, stiff/adjustable shocks & springs, strut tower bar if you believe it'll help given our cars' suspension geometry), and leave the front at almost stock settings. It'll be pretty twitchy, but it would help you learn how you have to move the car to let loose. Then you stiffen the front up slowly to get better control, while still being able to break traction.
After that, you learn to feint into a drift (and usually end up understeering), and then work on dynamic drifting, where you lose traction just by letting off the throttle. E-brake powerslides don't work, and if you have a 1G the half-rubber rear control arms will be a MAJOR handicap.
I've managed to do it (unreliably) about three times on dry asphalt, with crappy tires, and once on dust/dirt-coated asphalt.. after which the front end let go and I'm just glad nothing was in my way.

Generally, AWD drifting falls into the 'induce oversteer, floor it, pray' category. If you let off the throttle, traction comes back almost instantly.

 

[TurboATM]

...i did see somewhere, there is a guy who drift for nopi i believe with a mighty max pickup, 4g63 powered...its siiiick

 

[meliketoball]

Instead of converting a perfectly nice 2g gsx, sell your fwd 2g and buy a s13. Ditch the ka24de and in the sr20det or some other turbocharged Nissan motor.