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There are quite a few of these VC eliminator drifting DSM's floating around now. There is even a few videos on youtube of a guy who has done it and taken it out for practice. He's on this site, but I can't remember who.
 
Two words Nissan Silvia. S13/14 models can be had for relatively cheap. They're great RWD drift machines. Converting a DSM to RWD would cost just as much time and labor as dropping a SR20DET into an S13, plus the S13 would be a lot more fun to drive.

DSM's have their strengths. Drifting isn't one of them- even if you managed to convert one into RWD, the chassis isn't designed for it.
 
The way i have done it is by going through a turn and dropping down to second gear and flooring it. but i haven't done it since i had my t25, the low end torque was perfect for breaking the tires. I thought the evo 9 was 50/50 and you could adjust the power split with the acd button on the dash or where ever it is.
 
I find it hard enough to try to do AWD dounuts in the rain let alone drift an entire turn. but i can kick it sideways if im making a 90 degree left or right hand turn in 1st!
 
I always enjoyed climbing hills sideways in the snow personally. I'd just crank the steering wheel towards the uphill and gun it. Much fun.

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Yeah I do it all the time around turns. I just jamm it in 1st or 2nd and floor that biotch


If you have enough power its easy to break-em loose. Its just not as easy to control as a RWD
 
yeah, my talon just loves gravel and snow and rain. its really fun until you got one side of bald tires. when i was reading, why would you want a e-brake that would LOCK up the rear wheels on a car that has 3-4 wheels spinning, somethings gonna break if you do. if you want to drift, go buy a 240 or a rx7 for cheap and go from there.
 
how come the subies at X-Games and other events looked like they were having no issues getting sideways on pavement? Tires? Is it their awd system that allows it? looked like the drivers were using the ebrake method too.
 
I was able to do it in my car, my method was a bit of a flick with throttle on oversteer

Feels great though, very smooth side ways action


Having open diffs makes it very hard to do compared to a evo
 
Thomas91169 said:
how come the subies at X-Games and other events looked like they were having no issues getting sideways on pavement? Tires? Is it their awd system that allows it? looked like the drivers were using the ebrake method too.
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They can lock there center diffs, and also are LSD all the way around
 
JOEY A said:
I was able to do it in my car, my method was a bit of a flick with throttle on oversteer

Feels great though, very smooth side ways action


Having open diffs makes it very hard to do compared to a evo
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X2 on that, with my evo, i can get the backend out MUCH easier than on my talon (On throttle).
 
jtmcinder said:
If you remove the VC, then you can use the e-brake to break an AWD loose. (One reason why you can drift an Evo or STi is the center snaps open as soon as you touch the e-brake.) But a functioning VC in a DSM makes it a challenge to break just the rears free. The way people drift AWDs with working center LSDs is some variant of the Scandanavian Flick (see DIZMM's post).

- Jtoby
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You dont use the E-brake to lock up the rear, you use it to transfer weight forward decreasing rear traction and also taking up some of its traction from a decel force (remember the traction circle).

My car use to be an oversteering fool when I first switched to the 700lb front springs (450 rear) and still used both RM front and rear bars. The back end would just break loose on corner entry at any decent pace and I could just hold it out there as long as I wanted. It made for some fun to watch Auto-x runs but pretty poor for times.

After I swapped back to the stock bar and found a good tire pressure it handled much better and the absurd oversteer was gone. Now I can just kick it out with a little let off then get back on the throttle or using the E-brake to set things loose mid corner. For corner entry it takes a bit of a flic to break loose now though.
 
I dont have a AWD dsm, but i can do it in my eclipse. i wouldnt say its even drifting...more like sliding a corner, but hell its fun. i got a 240sx for that drifting stuff :)
 
From what I can tell, with AWD, to make somewhat of a drift you have to enter the corners really hard to break traction and some how manage to control it at full throttle the whole way, because if your traction snaps back it might not be pretty depending how fast you were going. I just dont find it very entertaining to do, leave drifting for the RWD guys.

The weight bias on these cars ( especially gutted ones ) isnt too great for handling.
But I think dsms handle a little better when you find ways to stiffen the rear to give more oversteer to counter the understeer they naturally have; and that should provoke drifting some.

I use the suspension techniques rear sway bar and strut bars and the car has welded control arms for act. toe elimination but I need to sit it a little lower though than these H&R springs allow, and my KYB agx's are getting old and soft, once I upgrade to a nice adjustable coilover setup and drop it another inch ( weight reduction has the car sitting stock like) then I think the car will handle pretty nice. But It feels a lot more neutral than my friends 1g awd talon with stock suspension. I can make the rear end swing out if I really wanted to were as hed have a lot more trouble to do so...

Anyways trying to drift these cars isnt worth it imo, but it can be fun in the dirt or snow just to play around.
I dont have snow to play around with here in FL, but in the dirt Ive held the car completely sideways for 3- 4 seconds at a time while staying on the gas in 1st !
 
I have done it in my car in second gear on wet asphalt with the ebrake. However, I was not fully locking up the ebrake, I was just pulling it enough to slow the wheels and get some of the weight onto the front tires. You can do the same thing with the normal brake by trailbraking, of a lift of the throttle on corner entry. Or by flicking it if you are really good... I have actually spun my car on dry tarmac at the top of second gear after trailbraking deep into a corner. I have also spun multiple times in the snow in second and third gear, so maybe I just suck at driving?

My problem is that once you are in a drift it is hard to hold it for any time because with all tires driving you either max out your gear or get going too fast for the turn. Overall, compared to my old rx7, my talon is much harder to catch once it is in a slide. It seems like it gets going and just wants to keep spinning, which is weird because the steering rack is pretty quick. I think something in the suspension geometry makes these cars harder to slide than most other cars (keep in mind that my suspension is mostly stock).

Sorry for the novel, but this has been troubling me for awhile.

Edit: didn't see there was a second page so I kinda repeated a couple things that were already said.
 
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