does the non-turbo cyclone bolt right in??

[yesItsdsm]

I'm about to buy a JDM motor, I see alot of info on the cyclone turbo motor. But does the non-turbo cyclone bolt right in?? I found one pretty cheap and wanna know If I should get it or not and that depends on how easily it swaps in.

Someone please chime in with some good info on this I'd aprreciatte it!!

 

[poonman]

There is no "Cyclone Motor" The long blocks from Japan are the same year for year as the US motors. They will usually have the Cyclone intake manifolds on them. This is just a dual runner (similar to Toyota's TVIS system) intake manifold that gave a little better bottom end power IF you have all the electronics to properly actuate the butterfly valves. Also there are clearance issues between the Cyclone manifold and the larger US A/C compressor. Yes you can use it, but not really worth the hassle. Some manifolds will say "Cyclone" on them but not have the dual runner butterfly system. The timing belt upper covers sometimes can be slightly damaged from shipping, also the igniter or coil pack may be damaged. This usually happens in the shipping container on the boat ride from Japan.

So dont waste your money bro, if you got an engine that works now keep it and take the money for a replacment and build one my brother. if you just want basic nothing special engine. then it would only be about 1-1500 bucs to rebuilt one to factory specs, and the best part is you will know how many miles are exaclty on it, whan you buy an engine from lets say JDMengine depot its says around 30k miles that may be fine but you can still buy someone else problem. If you want to do a rebuild to fac specs just hit me up n ill give you all the info and sites you will need.

 

[yesItsdsm]

Well more than one site is selling a cyclone motor with pictures to prove it. The non-turbo cyclone has more hp than the usdm motor. Thats why I'm asking. Besides, rebuild is more costly and time consuming and won't grant me anymore hp.

Anybody know whether or not the swap is easy/ worth it for the cost?

 

[poonman]

the cyclone engine does NOT have more HP if you look at the data sheets the engines are complete the same from the us and the JDM its nothing more the a double butterfly on the throttle body, dont waste your time, after shipping and the cost plus the swap it would cost you just as much to build your own

 

[poonman]

and if your so into the name cyclone then hear ya go http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/pts/316019670.html
put that intake many on and bam you have a cyclone. and yes the engine will drop right in because there is no difference between the us talon 4g63 and the cyclone all it is is a 4g63t engine nothing more

 

[yesItsdsm]

http://www.jdmtunersinc.com/mitsubishipic4.html

pooman I think you are a little confused by my post follow that link to see what motor I am talking about.

Also If anyone has any input on this it'd be really helpful !! Thanks!

 

[Quasimondo]

It should bolt in, but I doubt it has that much power. The only n/t 4G63's I know of that made that much horsepower were found in the Galants that were tuned and sold by AMG (prior to their acquisition by Mercedes-Benz).

The manifold, if you can get it to work properly, should give you a bump in low end power, but that's about it. To be honest though, that doesn't look like the dual-runner manifold in that picture. You sure that's the actual picture or just a representation?

 

[poonman]

in that pic is not a cyclone engine, that is just a 4g63 a cyclone engine acually SAYS cyclone on the intake man like so http://osakajdmmotors.com/engines/mitsubishi4G63T.jpg
Maybe im not understanding your post correctly, you want to buy a cyclone engine if it fits in your car correct or you have a cyclone and want to put in a standard

 

[aaron_mc_03]

poonman is right, and yes it bolts right in

 

[c711]

the EDM NT Engine has 150HP Stock, little biger Injectors (275), diffrent ECU and I guess the MAF is diffrent too. You can bolt on the Cyclone Intake, but you have to remove the AC.
If you then have the right ECU (some NT support it some dont) you put a cable in pin 53 or 57, connect a solenoid and it should work. at 4500 RPM it opens up the other runners.

You will feel the higher Bottem End Power more then the top End HP.
You also could remove a bit from the head so the compression will be higher, but pay attention not to remove to much! Also go for a good header, SS will be fine.

With this Modification a 2G MAF and some ECU tuning you should reach around 180HP.

Regards

 

[yesItsdsm]

hanks guys.. That motor is cheap I wonder why more people dont use it. I'm definitely getting one as a back-up.

 

[c711]

hanks guys.. That motor is cheap I wonder why more people dont use it. I'm definitely getting one as a back-up.

Yeah do so and when its yours please take some pics and post it here. the Intake Manifold looks interesting.
Thanks.

 

[gsxeclipse97]

Ive got a cyclone in mine and the this link is not a cyclone http://www.jdmtunersinc.com/mitsubishipic4.html

there is a lot of difference in the bottom end as far as the torqe goes and the top end is the same as a 1g turbo. I have also read that the jdm motors had 180 but the cyclone only came one the turbo models. If done correctly it is worth having. there is a slight problem if you are trying to put this on galant vr4 but as far as i know the 1g eclipse it should bolt right in. If you have problems getting it in you could grind down the bottom on the intake manifold a little so that you have some more space. After that go have fun with it. you will have to block one of the ports on the intake becuase there are three holes
one for bov, fpr, and butterfly, you will need to block the first one becuase it is the largest of the three. also you will need a spare fprs to have it activate the butter flys, and the last thing a chip from dsm chips or an rpm switch to activate them. I'm not sure if you will need the vaccum resvior becuase you are not boosting but you might want to get one just in case it smoothes the transition from 4 runners to 8 so there is not a surge of air flow it to the motor.

one last thing be sure you are getting a motor with a 1g head because that site listed above is a 2g intake manifold. the cyclone will not bolt up to the head correctly because the ports are half the size.

 

[iluvmy4g63]

there is a compression change. nt motors are 9;0;1. 1g are 7;7;1 and 2g are 8;8;1. be carefull on this. don't want to have probs later on. read owner man. it shows the chart. if you do the swap i would install some new head bolts and gasket

 

[gsxeclipse97]

there is a compression change. nt motors are 9;0;1. 1g are 7;7;1 and 2g are 8;8;1. be carefull on this. don't want to have probs later on. read owner man. it shows the chart. if you do the swap i would install some new head bolts and gasket

the nt is 9 but the 1g is 7.8 and the 2g is 8.5 the evo is 8.8

 

[iluvmy4g63]

yea your right. i just woke up

 

[c711]

EDM NT 10:1, EVO 1-2 8,5:1, EVO 3 9:1, EVO 4-9 8,8:1.

The EDM NT got a Knock Sensor, thats different. 150HP on that.
There was a AMG tuned JDM engine, but mostly they changed the ECU, this Engin got around 170HP.

There was a Talon ES version of the 1G NT with 180HP, any technical details on that?

The Cyclone is made for the 4G63 Head, will fit the 4G64 too.

 

[c711]

and by the way
the cyclone intake was not developed for more HP, it just optimize and rais the tourge.
Thats the reason why it feels like "more power".

The Pic shows my NT with the Cyclone and a SS Header.

 

[yesItsdsm]

EDM NT 10:1, EVO 1-2 8,5:1, EVO 3 9:1, EVO 4-9 8,8:1.

The EDM NT got a Knock Sensor, thats different. 150HP on that.
There was a AMG tuned JDM engine, but mostly they changed the ECU, this Engin got around 170HP.

There was a Talon ES version of the 1G NT with 180HP, any technical details on that?

Anybody know about any of these motors? I really wanna get a nt motor as a back up but I'd rather get one that made more power. And no I dont want to just "buy a turbo motor".

 

[gsxeclipse97]

Well that is a cyclone, How does it act on your car?

 

[Quasimondo]

EDM NT 10:1, EVO 1-2 8,5:1, EVO 3 9:1, EVO 4-9 8,8:1.

The EDM NT got a Knock Sensor, thats different. 150HP on that.
There was a AMG tuned JDM engine, but mostly they changed the ECU, this Engin got around 170HP.

There was a Talon ES version of the 1G NT with 180HP, any technical details on that?

The Cyclone is made for the 4G63 Head, will fit the 4G64 too.

The AMG engines had a 10.4:1 compression, aggressive cams, trick valvetrain and other goodies that raised the redline to 8K. info

180? Sounds like what a stock 1G AWD automatic made with what 13G and 390's.