cool air intake on turbo car

[TimF]

Would it be worth it to short rout my FMIC (when i get one) to run my intake through the old IC pipe hole and have my air intake were the side mount use to be? I have seen picutes of this but wondering if it does any performance gain. The only Cold air intake threads I find are for non turbo.

 

[sidewaystsi]

Knocked 60+ degrees off my iat's. Ill never use a "factory routed style" intake again.

 

[Big T-28 GSX]

Knocked 60+ degrees off my iat's. Ill never use a "factory routed style" intake again.

60 degree difference? Ive heard of a drop in temps but that is insane

 

[sidewaystsi]

Wish i had a before and after log to post.When i had the FP intake on the car and it was a super hot day the iat's would get up in the 180's.After i routed the air filter to the stock ic location i have not seen the iat's get over 130. Just watch yourself around the puddles yo.

 

[TimF]

sounds good, And puddles are a good point . I am thinking maybe just make a break point in intake and use a coupler to attach them. So on rainy bad days I can have it in stock location, and on nice days throw it in the smic spot.

 

[2gmummy]

Yea I have an elbow that I use which I can attach to the intake to drop the filter down infront of the passenger front wheel. It's quick and easy and works but it definetly helps I never logged to see by how much though

 

[agarc023]

sounds good, And puddles are a good point . I am thinking maybe just make a break point in intake and use a coupler to attach them. So on rainy bad days I can have it in stock location, and on nice days throw it in the smic spot.

Thats what I do

Although it doesn't rain all that much in socal

 

[RipperXX]

I personally like the idea of making your own sealed air box. You can order high heat resistant plasics online in different thickness's and sizes (sheet). Easy to cut and screw togeather. A little plexy on top so you can see into it, to see if any trash gets in there or when the filters dirty. Little weather stripping and black RTV silicon and you have an air tight air box.... that of course your going to want to duct air too. Using a large flex hose from say behinde the factory fog light location. or at the SMIC location, little piece of wide screen material at the top to keep out leaves and what not and wala. Nothing but ambient air temps all day, and you don't have to worry about puddles. Plus I think it would look real good. *shrug*

Thats what I plan to do one day whenever the #### I get back to the U.S. and to my car.

 

[pboglio]

I've tried a partitioned heat shield in the engine compartment. Turbo didn't like it for some reason, even with a 4" inlet pipe feeding it. I gave up and went with a 4" drier hose feeding and open intake pipe in the engine compartment. Dropped my cruising intake temps to about 5*F above ambient.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Cold air in is cold air in.

 

[TimF]

If I do drop my intake into the SMIC position, what is the best way to face my filter?

 

[forcefed86]

Personally I don't like having my air intake that low. If your not daily driving the car and never have to worry about high water you should be ok. I've seen countless destroyed motors from low mount CAI's. I'd run one of these on a "street" setup.

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[TimF]

We dont have high water in Illiniose, snow gets high, but I doubt I will be driving my car if snow is high enough to cover my filter.

 

[Tyeler18]

Those bypass filters don't do anything FYI. The only way to suck up enough water to hydrolock your motor is to drive into a puddle that fully submerges the filter. Water splashing up isn't enough to hydrolock but most people don't understand that. You can do a vacuum test on an intake pipe with a partially submerged filter even and it won't suck up water. It pulls air through the unsubmerged part as it's lighter/easier to move than water.

I run a very low CAI on my 3g which I've DD'ed for 3 years through rain, snow, mud, etc with zero problems.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

If I do drop my intake into the SMIC position, what is the best way to face my filter?

Here is mine:

Check out these threads:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/395597-flow-same-air-filter-intercooler.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/custom-fabrication/401012-cold-air-aluminum-intake.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-intake-exhaust/140778-easy-cai-turbo-dsms-w-o-smic.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/311985-important-how-reduce-ait-log-info-inside-cai-installed.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/230641-4g63-cold-air-intake-done-right.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-intake-exhaust/194759-diy-cold-air-intake.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-intake-exhaust/195667-diy-ram-air-duct-cold-air-intake.html

Personally I don't like having my air intake that low. If your not daily driving the car and never have to worry about high water you should be ok. I've seen countless destroyed motors from low mount CAI's. I'd run one of these on a "street" setup.

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That is the AEM Air Bypass Valve. Here is a quote directly from their website: The AEM Air Bypass Valve is NOT for use on forced induction vehicles.

 

[turboglenn]

I had my air filter mounted down there (with the tube i made being flippable to allow me to put the filter in the engine bay on rainy days) well, the performance gain was nice, but one rainy day i didn't have any tools to swap the filter around with (started raining while i was at work) and when i rounded the corner by my house there was a back up drain and although i went super slow and at an idle i still sucked up about 1.5+ gallons of water and bent a rod in a 6 bolt engine (again at IDLE!! i didn't think it would suck it up that bad at idle but it did!!)

Now i have had my filter in several locations since and i still get the best performance with it down there in the "scoop", but the best comprimise i've come up with that doens't force me to work on a car wither when i don't have tools, or may be dressed nice for a dinner or some other occasion) is to put the filter in the stock location and have the hole for the stock IC pipe opened up and I now have plans to build some ducting to bring in more cool air but just opening the hols has helped and is notable on the datalogs for IAT's.

Take it from some one that'sa diehard car guy and mechanic that no matter how prepared you think you are to swap it around the time wil come where you either can't, don't want to, or don't think you need to and it's gonna bite you in the ass unless you live in the desert where there's little to no rain that's not well predictable. Otherwise it's not worth the chance, trust me on that one. There's some threads around here with some really nice ducting setups that are worth reading and to be hoenst by either routing a turndown through the stock hole (but really opened up) will be your best bet, this way it's not down low enough to get rain easy like it would when visible through the scoop in the bumper, but will still get the advantage of the cool air. OR, The next best thing being the plan i'm using with ducting and maybe a block off box built for keeping engine heat off the filter.

but no matter how prepared you think you are there will be "that time that gets you" and it may take years, (it did for me) but it will come, and you will be kicking yourself in the ass..this is just my opinion based on bending a rod of my own.. and on many other days there were times i sucked in enough moisture from wet roads to start putting out my spark and almost leaving me stranded (and on these days it wasn't even really raining just wet ground from a previous rain) take it for what it is, but choose wisely

 

[TimF]

I dont plan on making it right into the opening like that above tho

 

[ed1380]

you sucked up 5+ liters of water with a 2liter motor?

 

[TimF]

as far as the inlet/outlet on the IC, what way should they face?

 

[knochgoon24]

I made a cold air box out of Plexiglas. It's not 100% sealed, but it dropped the temps quite a bit. If I took a little more time, I could make it seal better, but it works the way it is now. Plus, I don't have to worry about hydro-locking the motor. It gets the air filter up out of the fender liner while still providing it plenty of cold air.

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[Doubleot]

^ good idea. I've been tampering with doing something similar. Even though I dont DD my talon, I can't see myself mounting the air filter where water can be sucked in rather easily. There's always those days you don't want to, can't, and would rather not get dirty switching the air filter around.



Sent From My Sidekick 4g, Because I can.

 

[TimF]

Hey whats the best way for your intercooler inlet and outlet to face for a short rout?

 

[LandoAWD]

Back.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Hey whats the best way for your intercooler inlet and outlet to face for a short rout?

For a true short route, towards the engine:

Kris beat me to it.

 

[LandoAWD]

You may have been more clear.