Buying 2G DSM Need some help

[Prodigyman]

Sometime next month I am buying Mitsu GSX, I got few questions. I need this car to last me some time, Later on I will be putting mods in this car to reach ~270 WHP, that’s my goal, and some visual mods, EG: Full body kit, rims, paint job... What is best course of auction for me, Buy 95 or 96 2G GSX and drop new low mile engine in to it or buy a newer DSM like 98-99? I am wondering what the best thing for me to do is.

 

[killab443]

If your going to get a 2nd gen, crankwalk is a big deal with them. Basically instead of swaping the 95 or 96 with a newer engine, just go with the 6bolt swap. Its usually cheaper and you will have more reliabilty out the engine.As for 97-99 the only difference is in the bumpers really and that can be changed. Th 98-99 i beleive has a black and grey dashboard as aposed to 95-97 that has the all grey

 

[Prodigyman]

I know what the visual differences are, but what I am saying is that should I buy an OLDER eclipse and swap it with a low mile 6 bolt engine. Would that be cheaper for me and last longer then buying newer 2G? I don't really care about exterior at this time nor interior, car looks gorgeous of course but I will be making mods my self to suet my taste....

 

[killab443]

I think your better off going with a older one and swaping the 6 bolt in it, or maybe the hard to find evo3 motor, That would definitly be cool. Ive heard of people paying for the 220hp vr4 motor and getting an evo motor. Now that sounds like damn good luck to me

 

[Prodigyman]

My thoughts exactly

But what is the diff between EVO 3 and stock 4G63?

IF its were possible can I get low mile EVO 3 engine? Is it 6 bolt?

 

[paranoidTSi]

Evolution 3 is a 4g63 motor as well, just with a little bit more horsepower. The chances of you getting a Evo3 motor are VERY slim because it never came to the us market.

I would get a 95-96 vehicle and get a 6-bolt motor put in.

 

[Prodigyman]

Okay, but I will be importing Evo 3 from Japan though my sources so I might be able to get it in this case. I am familiar with crank walk problem but is Evo 3 engine 6 bolt? Also since 95-96 is almost 9-10 years old car could there be any other mechanical problems with it even with a new engine in it? And how much more powerfull Evo 3? Stock GSX is like 210

 

[cuttheduck]

by the way 6bolt motors are from the 90-92 cars so they are NOT low mileage at all.
You can rebuilt them or rebuilt a 7 bolt but mileage doesn't matter a ton until something breaks. Most the shops sell a rebuilt 6 bolt motor because it is a lot less likely to crankwalk then the 7 bolts (92-99)
Engine swaps arent THAT easy that you would just swap in a lower mileage engine to a 95-96 from a 98-99. In fact it makes no sense. You can just mod what you have to reach your goal and rebuild it or swap in a rebuilt 6 bolt IF the time comes and you do some major damage. Defintely read up..

 

[cuttheduck]

Okay, but I will be importing Evo 3 from Japan though my sources so I might be able to get it in this case. I am familiar with crank walk problem but is Evo 3 engine 6 bolt? Also since 95-96 is almost 9-10 years old car could there be any other mechanical problems with it even with a new engine in it? And how much more powerfull Evo 3? Stock GSX is like 210

EVO 3 was made like 10 years ago and is NOT a new engine, its also a 7 bolt.

It comes w/ a bigger turbo (16gevo) and injectors (510cc?), Nothing special because you would have replaced these parts anyway for 290 whp. Just a 4g63 w/ better boltons. Its a nice find if your importing a jdm engine because you dont have to buy a bigger turbo right away but nothing is really special about it and a swap doesnt really make sense for you.

 

[killab443]

but the motors sit for a long time usually. just cus there old doesnt mean that they have high mileage, JDM motors are suposed to be babied after the install, Because there are no fluids in it.

 

[Prodigyman]

cuttheduck
So what you are saying that mileage doesn’t matter. I am not sure but I don’t want to buy an older can and brake on me all the time, reasonable car buyer request. I am not going to mod the hell out of the car so it would not be taking much abuse, no more then new Evo 8 cars as they run @ 275 hp with almost the same engine… so what should I do? Put an older 6 bolt rebuild engine? Or just stay with what I got and wait for it to break then take action?

 

[cuttheduck]

if youre worried about mileage then buy a lower milage car.
Buying an older car and spending the same amount or more to install an imported engine w/ questionable miles doesnt seem to make sense. installing a new rebuild engine can potentially cause more problems then just leaving it alone. Its not really the engine that will usually fail w/ higher mileage but all the components (o2 sensors, alternators, PS pumps, starters, wires,other crap along the way). So Unless you were planning on throwing out a bearing or blowing a HG installing a rebuild engine wont neccarily make the car more reliable. Just buy the lower mileage car in the first place if you dont wanna open the hood for 15,000 miles.

 

[Prodigyman]

I guess 97-98 is the car for me in this case. Also last question, I was researching a lot everywhere about the prices, what is a reasonable cost for a STOCK Eclipse GSX 97-98?All your replies are much appreciated and thank you for your help!

 

[killab443]

a servy from dsmtalk.com Ive read that 25% of 2gs crank walk.25 is a lot i think, and they say that after market clutches and flywheels make it happen sooner. Id say 6 bolt definitly, rebuilt or not. Goto the junkyard and look around u might find a dsm with a gauge cluster reading 50k and you will know how much is on the engine. You definitly dont want a rebuilt 7 bolt, Ive heard to many stories of those dying early. Regrind cranks on 7 bolts make them even worse

 

[paranoidTSi]

97-99 should be around 7 to 8 grand depending on the condition, it'll be more from dealers.

 

[Prodigyman]

Too bad here in Canada we don’t have dealers selling them, as they were never sold here... so I have to import one from states... 7-8 is a good price but hard to find...

 

[n3gativerr0r]

Its alittle more where I live. Right around 12-15k :thumbdown