Bulldog sheetmetal intake manifold?

[DSM90AWD]

FYI a roller cam is only $300. The only time you get up to HKS price is doing a full roller cam retro fit. But then you already knew all that.

Not only that, with the DSM you are getting two cams instead of the one cam you would get for your Chevy.

BINGO

Lessee, 300 * 2 = 600 which is 200 more than the CompCams / FP cam offerings.

Now combine that with the economies of scale of producing 100+ times more ChubbyV8 cams and you'll see that the the Mitsu Cams have much less profit margin to begin with

 

[ITSME4G63]

hey u wann talk cheap, get the ffwd connection cams, theyre like 350$ per set!

 

[boostedinaz]

Well since you know so much you'd know I run a comp cam xtreme eneregy series cam in my Chevy camaro. You'd know with lifters it's only about $120. You know comp is the company that makes the DSM cam's 101100(aka FP1)
Of course my Chevy doesn't perform well, as seen somewhere in here
FYI a roller cam is only $300. The only time you get up to HKS price is doing a full roller cam retro fit. But then you already knew all that.
I'm sure you just forgot to post a link proving all your vast knowledge in the area when you were randomly bashing me.

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Why shoud I post proof? A 3 sec search on Jegs or Summit will show you what I was talking about, however, for the "doing there own research impaired" here you go.

Lifters

Roller Cams

Wow those are WAY cheaper than HK$ and that still doesnt include the roller rockes that are needed to duplicte a DSM valvetrain.


You also just proved exactly what I was saying a ROLLER cam and lifters is a good chunk of change. You old school flat tappet will be put to shame power wise by a roller cam with similar specs. So know we are back to square one. You are comparing apples to oranges and I am just pointing that out. This is just like Web cams that were a "bargain" and guess what they are no longer bought by any DSM guys with an ounce of knowledge. Why is this perhaps becasue they are crap.

Ill say it again you can be ignorant all you want and put people into a stereo type, but I will point out facts and let people make decisions based on those facts. For those who take good advice they will buy a quality product once and never have to worry about much at all. Will this be an expensive part? Probably, becasue R&D isnt cheap these days.

So now that we have proven, just for you, that cheap cams are just that and will work accodingly, that two cams for less is a good deal, and that ROLLER is NOT FLAT TAPPET I think I will move on. Good day and nice F-body.

 

[Aaron91RS]

the mis information is over flowing.
First go to summitracing.com Edelbrock roller cams start at $200.
A v8 cam is about twice as long as a 4 banger cam so it's the same amount of material. Heck for all I know they turn the DSM cam from one core and then cut it in half and finish the machining. So $200 vs $600!!! See a problem. Although my $100 cam sure works great in my Camaro.
All SBC's came with great roller lifters (87+) STOCK before the first DSM was ever made so don't waste time talking about extra parts you need and how you can't use press in studs with roller rockers.
It's not a DSM you don't have to replace the noisy lifters
Well it's clear no one actually has any facts about Chevy's or DSM intakes to back anything up. Should someone find some facts to back up this bashing let me know

 

[DSM90AWD]

A v8 cam is about twice as long as a 4 banger cam so it's the same amount of material. Heck for all I know they turn the DSM cam from one core and then cut it in half and finish the machining

Not to proliferate this argument, but the majority of the cost of the camshaft comes from machining the lobes of which the V8 and 4G63 have equal numbers (16), not the cost of the cam blank itself.

As for aftermarket intake manifolds, there are many choices and a few years ago there was even a direct comparason of several of the promanant ones (Magnus, Extreme, Buschur..etc) by some very smart DSMers with access to a flowbench and Dyno. The results (though no longer posted) looked good on paper but really didn't say one was substantially better than any other.

So to arbitrarily say one is garbage because it is cheep may/may not be true as proving that fact (performance-wise) would be next to impossible.

My advice (as with anything else) is to only do business with trusted vendors. The manifold may look pretty (or not), but if the fitment is bad, leaks..etc, where is your recourse?

 

[boostedinaz]

the mis information is over flowing.
First go to summitracing.com Edelbrock roller cams start at $200.
A v8 cam is about twice as long as a 4 banger cam so it's the same amount of material. Heck for all I know they turn the DSM cam from one core and then cut it in half and finish the machining. So $200 vs $600!!! See a problem. Although my $100 cam sure works great in my Camaro.
All SBC's came with great roller lifters (87+) STOCK before the first DSM was ever made so don't waste time talking about extra parts you need and how you can't use press in studs with roller rockers.
It's not a DSM you don't have to replace the noisy lifters
Well it's clear no one actually has any facts about Chevy's or DSM intakes to back anything up. Should someone find some facts to back up this bashing let me know

. Oh man you make me laugh so much.

The 200.00 cam you speak is small as shit for a roller so again how does that compare with a 272 in anyway. Since you are the fact master why dont you post up some facts as to how well those bargain roller cams have performed. Have they broke records, maybe made a bit more power over the more expensive cams with similar specs? This should be easy since you hate people that just talk out there ass, kind of like you have been doing. You posted "proof" of cam prices with a pics page of you car, good job. I also find it very hard to believe that you used your old L98 lifters with God knows how many miles on them in your brand new N2O motor. Did you, becasue the word from some guy is that they are great lifters. Myself, and most of my friends that have made big power, like to use parts matched for eachother so we know that there are no weak links in our motor. For those who like to go half assed, they will use old stock lifters, that may have worked well for the stock ramp rates and springs, but once all that is changed there is no gaurantee they will perform as well, but you being so smart alreay knew that. Like you said why spend money on extra parts.

I think that if you are so sure that this intake is great then you shoud buy it up, if the guy making them is even around anymore, and test it up. That way you can STFU and and actually show proof like you have been talking about. This way you wont be as much of a hypocrite.

 

[boostedinaz]

So to arbitrarily say one is garbage because it is cheep may/may not be true as proving that fact (performance-wise) would be next to impossible.

My advice (as with anything else) is to only do business with trusted vendors. The manifold may look pretty (or not), but if the fitment is bad, leaks..etc, where is your recourse?

Ahh. The voice of reason. Great post.

 

[Stapl3]

Topic.

 

[sweet97]

Have ANY of these manifolds been tested, dyno or track? I am particularly interested in the JM as that is what I bought! Thanks, Mark

 

[1993eclipseGS]

If no one has actually bought, installed, And used/dyno'd with this product, Then there should be no talk about if it's good or not. That's like saying a car with dent's and flat black primer is junk because it looks like a piece of shit. Honestly, I'm sure now everyone will try to attack my post, But if you do not have personal experience, There should be no talk about how bad/good it is.

 

[napkinthief]

Why is this thread still open, most of the link and pics are dead, and its just pointless arguement

for less than 100$, you can build your own low quality intake manifold, 35$ for a mig welder rental, 40$ for some sheet metal at home depot and 20$ for some flux core wire. Add nitrous bungs for cheap aswell.

 

[DSM90AWD]

for less than 100$, you can build your own low quality intake manifold, 35$ for a mig welder rental, 40$ for some sheet metal at home depot and 20$ for some flux core wire. Add nitrous bungs for cheap aswell.

Flux-core You do not have a clue as to what is involved in making an intake manifold that would hold pressure do you?

I find it intresting that the 1G ExtrudeHoned manifolds have consistantly added 35+ HP, have OEM fitment, will never crack welds, have been on 10second cars since the mid-90s, and costs way less than SM yet are never spoken about anymore

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Why is this thread still open, most of the link and pics are dead, and its just pointless arguement.

Because you aren't pressing the "Report this post to a Moderator" button and we aren't psychic.