Bulldog sheetmetal intake manifold?

[my_gst95]

Looks like it just...unzipped open!

my_gst95

 

[ShaggieRL]

i know after i saw that i had to rethink the whole fast and furiuos intake weld thing...

 

[98TalonTSi]

Yeah, but I bet his floor didn't fall apart...

 

[steel_3d]

So it was an intake backfire from the alcohol?

 

[XtReMeToYz]

Duct Tape?

 

[ITSME4G63]

yep those smim are good for draging, not daily use I would say. Forrester all the way!!! No welds to worry about cracking !

 

[boostedinaz]

THIS IS A QUESTION TO THOSE THAT BASHED THE Bulldog sheetmetal intake manifold
BY BASING YOUR JUDGEMENTS ON THE LOOKS OF IT. SAYING SHIT LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP AND YOU DONT THINK THAT ANY ENGINEERING WENT INTO BUILDING IT.

MY QUESTION IS THIS HOW THE HELL ARE YOU GANNA SIT THERE AND BASH THIS MANIFOLD AND, THEN COMPARE IT TO ANOTHER MANIFOLD THE JM MANIFOLD AND SAY SHIT LIKE IT'S REAL QUALITY WHEN REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE JM MANIFOLD HAS A SLIGHT SLANT TO IT AND THAT IT'S NICE AND SHINY

There is no need to yell.

The reasons we are bashing it have been discused, but Ill go over them again. If you buy from a reputable vendor you know that the part WILL work. No guessing games is a big plus for me. Also, you asked about looks, well then I will ask you this. Can you find me a head, any head, that has perfectly square ports? If so I will say that this mani has the perfect runner shape. If not then that IS a problem. Also it doesnt say that it has any velocity stack, that leads most of us to believe that it doesnt. If it did he would advertise them as a selling point. We also dont know how thick the flange is or if it comes with all the correct nipples and outlets for vacuum, PCV, or any other hookup. Again, if it has these then they should be mentioned as sellign piints. If you are so upset by the fact that we bash it before do any investigation then prove us wrong and find out what kind of research went into it. Post that info up and them we can make a better assumption.

I have been around cars for along time. Those people that go in to great detail do it becasue they have done the research to find out those facts. Those that just give a general explanation do so because that is as far as they got. All the things that we are worried about just happen to be the things that are left out of the description. Kinda weird dotn you think?

 

[skinnypimp]

There is no need to yell.

The reasons we are bashing it have been discused, but Ill go over them again. If you buy from a reputable vendor you know that the part WILL work. No guessing games is a big plus for me. Also, you asked about looks, well then I will ask you this. Can you find me a head, any head, that has perfectly square ports? If so I will say that this mani has the perfect runner shape. If not then that IS a problem. Also it doesnt say that it has any velocity stack, that leads most of us to believe that it doesnt. If it did he would advertise them as a selling point. We also dont know how thick the flange is or if it comes with all the correct nipples and outlets for vacuum, PCV, or any other hookup. Again, if it has these then they should be mentioned as sellign piints. If you are so upset by the fact that we bash it before do any investigation then prove us wrong and find out what kind of research went into it. Post that info up and them we can make a better assumption.

I have been around cars for along time. Those people that go in to great detail do it becasue they have done the research to find out those facts. Those that just give a general explanation do so because that is as far as they got. All the things that we are worried about just happen to be the things that are left out of the description. Kinda weird dotn you think?

what he's trying to say is you guys always judge by a name or cost of the product. if you know so much about the perfect manifold design one. just like that intake that looks like the injen, everyone was downing it. same as the obx intercooler, if we have no facts it sucks don't make assumptions. if that was the case mitsubishi had a very bad name not so long ago, but you bought your car anyway.

 

[markgholland]

what he's trying to say is you guys always judge by a name or cost of the product. if you know so much about the perfect manifold design one. just like that intake that looks like the injen, everyone was downing it. same as the obx intercooler, if we have no facts it sucks don't make assumptions. if that was the case mitsubishi had a very bad name not so long ago, but you bought your car anyway.

We were not judging it based on the name, we were judging it based on the design. How many times does that have to be said? Why are there always people that defend random crap on ebay? Don't you realize that there are dishonest people out there trying to make a quick buck off kids with their Daddy's credit card?

Lets be honest, anyone that buys that SMIM won't give two shits how it performs; if it looks Bling it will be a great product. It claims to give 20+ hp from mearly bolting it on, great. Read up on any other respectable SMIM and they will all have back-to-back comparisons that PROVE results. Where are the dyno sheets? Where are the testimonies?

~Mark

 

[boostedinaz]

what he's trying to say is you guys always judge by a name or cost of the product. if you know so much about the perfect manifold design one. just like that intake that looks like the injen, everyone was downing it. same as the obx intercooler, if we have no facts it sucks don't make assumptions. if that was the case mitsubishi had a very bad name not so long ago, but you bought your car anyway.

I don't know very much about designing a manifold, that is why when I go to buy one I read up and see what test OTHERS have done. Since this guy doesn't have any test posted up then why should I believe anything he says. I could easily save up a few more dollars and buy one that I KNOW has been tested and is PROVEN to work. If you want to give me some money for this piece and for dyno time then I will spend all day testing what ever you want. I don't have money and time for this and that is why i leave it up to REPUTABLE VENDORS to that for me.

If you seem to know that this is a great manifold then perhaps you should share you overwhelming knowledge as to why this manifold is great. He came in and asked a question about it, we raised good points based on just the pictures he put up, since that is all we had. People like you get all bent out of shape and assume that we are just here to bash products because we are bored and have nothing to do, and thats not the case. I have no interest in buying this manifold so it is not up to me to get the information on it. If someone, mainly the thread starter or the whiners, would like to give us all the information that the builder is willing to give, then we will give a more accurate answer. I have already suggested this but it seems to have gone over everyones head. If you feel that shoving a square peg into a round hole is efficient and a good way to do things then by all means buy this manifold, but if you want a piece that is not only dyno proven, but track proven, then save the cash and buy a Magnus or any of the other good SMIM.

 

[DSM_WHORE]

There is no need to yell.
Also, you asked about looks, well then I will ask you this. Can you find me a head, any head, that has perfectly square ports?

Dude every one knows that there are not very many if any at all perfectly squared head ports. But i dont see why you think that's suck a big problem since the squared port on the intake manifold dont restrict any air since they are no smaller than the ports on the head. I'll admit that if they were a little more in a shape of a funnel or in a shape of a cone that would help guide the air in to the head ports. But seeing that the air those not go directly in to the intake port when it go through the intake throttle it does not hurt it that much. secondly I never said that this intake manifold is good or better than others. I presonly would not buy it, not because I think that its crap or that there is some thing wrong with it. I just dont think that its worth that much.

 

[ISUJakey]

You guys can sit here and piss'n'moan back and forth all you want. Like I said way back towards the beginning of the thread, this manifold is being manufactured by a group based ouf of the Twin Cities area. When not one single person (at the time it was discussed) on the largest Midwest DSM board, DSMStyle.com, has heard of it before, I'd say that speaks plenty. Did I fail to mention that DSMStyle.com is based right out of the Twin Cities? I sure as hell would think that if this manifold is so great or at least reasonable, someone would have had something to say about it or have an experience with it when it was discussed a couple of months back. No one had even heard of Bulldog Racing before.


Have a good night.

 

[Stapl3]

So you're telling us for fact that the air goes from square runner then to an oval in a perfectly smooth transistion for a fact.

Otherwise, it's garbage.

 

[ISUJakey]

So you ladies that were all for this manifold have any dyno results, installation comments, butt-dyno results, and/or any further information?

 

[Turbo Talon DL]

So you ladies that were all for this manifold have any dyno results, installation comments, butt-dyno results, and/or any further information?

Anybody talkin trash about this should be the first ones to present some solid, hard research to back it up. The guy that said they were merely making a 'critique' of the manifold design was right on. We all agree that it doesnt seem like much was said about the manifold and its features. Thats about all that can be legitimately said. I too would also like to hear feedback on how this manifold works.

 

[ISUJakey]

Anybody talkin trash about this should be the first ones to present some solid, hard research to back it up. The guy that said they were merely making a 'critique' of the manifold design was right on. We all agree that it doesnt seem like much was said about the manifold and its features. Thats about all that can be legitimately said. I too would also like to hear feedback on how this manifold works.

I have already stated the basis of my opinions, enough said.

 

[KlowdDragon]

i wanna see some dyno's

 

[Stapl3]

Anybody talkin trash about this should be the first ones to present some solid, hard research to back it up.

It's a square mainfold on ebay with a 20 hp increase claim. We have plenty of ground to rag on it all we want.

It's garbage. Hate to break it to you.

 

[yangtech]

i wanna see some dyno's

i want to see some dyno results too... when i had my mr2 turbo, every part that came out for it had a dyno result or else it was pretty much worthless.

 

[92awddsm]

I would like to see dyno results also. I will be getting a magnus and dyno results from this will not make me change my mind but Im still curious.

 

[eclipse98gs-t]

So you ladies that were all for this manifold have any dyno results, installation comments, butt-dyno results, and/or any further information?

Anyone???
Id like to read something about...

 

[Aaron91RS]

So did anyone ever get one of these manifolds and try it or do we all just bash it becasue it's cheap. I love 'import' mentality. "If it's cheap it has to be bad. If it's expensive it has to be good"
News flash thats why DSM cams are $600 and a chevy cam is $100. Chevy people won't tolerate that crap.
Another example. I bought an ssautochrome/xspower 2.5" o2 housing to replace my victory performance one.
Guess what, it works great, is 2.5" all the way through, bolted right up and cost less new then I sold the used victory performance one for.
But then again it's just a short piece of pipe. How the hell can you mess that up. But yet there is a ton of bashing on here about them.
Now back to the manifold. The shorter runners will change the sine wave time traveling up and down the runners. This should raise the RPM where it's tuned for peak torque vs. the stock one.
The runners may be a problem being they are square and not oval, perhaps this can be fixed by porting the edges of the heads runners to match.
Also it looks like vacum ports will have to be welded on.
Other then that, that is all I can tell from a picture and thats all most anyone who has such a strong opinion about it can tell either without actually trying it. So my question is has anyone tried it. Got a dyno/track time/gtech/butt dyno..anything???

If nothing else I will try it out like I did the "POS" ssautochrome o2 housing. I don't expect it to be better then a magnus but since my turbo and hopefully cams are going to be tuned more for top end I will judge it vs. the stock one, nothing more.
But even if it works fine and better then stock, I am sure everyone will call me a liar and bash it because we all know nothing cheap can be good.

 

[boostedinaz]

So did anyone ever get one of these manifolds and try it or do we all just bash it becasue it's cheap. I love 'import' mentality. "If it's cheap it has to be bad. If it's expensive it has to be good"
News flash thats why DSM cams are $600 and a chevy cam is $100. Chevy people won't tolerate that crap.
Another example. I bought an ssautochrome/xspower 2.5" o2 housing to replace my victory performance one.
Guess what, it works great, is 2.5" all the way through, bolted right up and cost less new then I sold the used victory performance one for.
But then again it's just a short piece of pipe. How the hell can you mess that up. But yet there is a ton of bashing on here about them.
Now back to the manifold. The shorter runners will change the sine wave time traveling up and down the runners. This should raise the RPM where it's tuned for peak torque vs. the stock one.
The runners may be a problem being they are square and not oval, perhaps this can be fixed by porting the edges of the heads runners to match.
Also it looks like vacum ports will have to be welded on.
Other then that, that is all I can tell from a picture and thats all most anyone who has such a strong opinion about it can tell either without actually trying it. So my question is has anyone tried it. Got a dyno/track time/gtech/butt dyno..anything???

If nothing else I will try it out like I did the "POS" ssautochrome o2 housing. I don't expect it to be better then a magnus but since my turbo and hopefully cams are going to be tuned more for top end I will judge it vs. the stock one, nothing more.
But even if it works fine and better then stock, I am sure everyone will call me a liar and bash it because we all know nothing cheap can be good.

Yes a cheap SBC cam will be just that cheap. Have you priced out a full roller setup with lifters they are more than the HKS cams. They will also make more power than the cheaper "Chevy" cam. Since you seem to know a lot about Chevy's would you car to tell what type of cam and lifters 99% of the well performing cars and trucks are using? I have a VERY good feeling they are not the old school flat tappet cams that are cheap. Kinda weird how that works.

Not all import guys have to have the best and most expensive, but those of us that have been around for along time have seen countless products come and go, and the only ones that stayed seem to be the ones that are "to expensive." Also, initial quality is one thing but what about years of hard use? I can make a cardboard intake that will work great a few times and will cost ten bucks if you like to go that route PM me. As for the testing why would I spend money a something that already has visible flaws just to prove some people wrong. If you like the unproven parts and want to "show" us that bash it how well it works then go for it, but I will just buy a qaulity part once and never have to worry aboutit again, but what do I know I am just a typical import guy that spends to much.

 

[Aaron91RS]

Yes a cheap SBC cam will be just that cheap. Have you priced out a full roller setup with lifters they are more than the HKS cams. They will also make more power than the cheaper "Chevy" cam. Since you seem to know a lot about Chevy's would you car to tell what type of cam and lifters 99% of the well performing cars and trucks are using? I have a VERY good feeling they are not the old school flat tappet cams that are cheap. Kinda weird how that works.

Well since you know so much you'd know I run a comp cam xtreme eneregy series cam in my Chevy camaro. You'd know with lifters it's only about $120. You know comp is the company that makes the DSM cam's 101100(aka FP1)
Of course my Chevy doesn't perform well, as seen somewhere in here
FYI a roller cam is only $300. The only time you get up to HKS price is doing a full roller cam retro fit. But then you already knew all that.
I'm sure you just forgot to post a link proving all your vast knowledge in the area when you were randomly bashing me.

 

[kanderson111]

Well since you know so much you'd know I run a comp cam xtreme eneregy series cam in my Chevy camaro. You'd know with lifters it's only about $120. You know comp is the company that makes the DSM cam's 101100(aka FP1)
Of course my Chevy doesn't perform well, as seen somewhere in here
FYI a roller cam is only $300. The only time you get up to HKS price is doing a full roller cam retro fit. But then you already knew all that.
I'm sure you just forgot to post a link proving all your vast knowledge in the area when you were randomly bashing me.

In order to have a camshaft that even compares to those on a DSM you would have to have full roller setup. A CompCams roller cam is $250 for Chevy, roller lifters $250, and roller rocker arms $200. Also for roller rockers your heads must have screw in studs, which would require more money if you don't already have them. Oh and stock valve springs would never work, thats another $150. After spending that $900. you still would not have as good of set up as DSM because you've got all those extra moving parts that are not necessary with over head cams. Not only that, with the DSM you are getting two cams instead of the one cam you would get for your Chevy.