2G Build questions on stock internals

[bmw335ikt]

Hello, I just picked up a 1997 eclipse Gsx about a month ago and wanted to build the motor but things came up. So now I was looking at doing just bolt on with the stock internals. And next winter I'm going to build the engine. I would like to be at 350 to 400. I have looked around and found some info on what bolt ons but I'm new to this and don't know any good brand names or exactly what setup to run

Here's what I have done to the car
-apexi n1 downpipe
-apexi n1 exhaust
-injen intake
-aem tru boost
-aem air/fuel


Everything else is stock the car has 98k miles

What parts I'm looking at and again please let me know if any thing is better or brand names that are better I'm new to this. Thanks

- I found a guy that sells mhi evo 3 16g turbos rebuilt for $500 or I was looking at the fp 68hta don't know which is better? Also what's a install kit and are they the same for all turbos

- dsm link for tuning unless anything else is better

- injectors I was looking at the brand fic just don't know what size injectors to get

- Walbro 255 high pressure fuel pump

- adjustable fuel pressure regulator. Which brand?

-intercooler I was looking at the vrsf unless there is better

- tial recirculating blow off valve

If you guys recommend anything else let me know. If anything else has to be done. My budget is 2000 I can go a little over. Like I said I wanted to build the car this winter but I'll just have to wait till next winter.

Thanks

 

[jstoned1]

Well you're headed it the right direction.
- hard to pass up the great deal on a 68 hta
-dsmlink is great!
- fic 750cc will do it.
- consider a duel pump rewire to go with that pump.
-vrsf is a budget option. There are better, more expensive intercoolers out there.
- Get a 1g valve instead of a tial and save some cash.
- I like aeromotive fpr.

 

[lasershark]

Before you dish out money for the vrsf intercooler take a look at something I discovered recently thanks to CrackedDSM.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/vrsf-fmic-j-pipe-question.496898/#post-153553913

 

[bmw335ikt]

Lasershark thanks for the info. I like that the vrsf is short route. I just have a question what if I get the vrsf and buy the ets jpipe would this work or is the j pipe made just for the ets intercooler. Would the ets work with no modification. Thanks

 

[lasershark]

Lasershark thanks for the info. I like that the vrsf is short route. I just have a question what if I get the vrsf and buy the ets jpipe would this work or is the j pipe made just for the ets intercooler. Would the ets work with no modification. Thanks

I have the vrsf on my 2g but I didn't know it was the same thing as the ebay stuff, you can get the same short route set up on ebay (exact same, I looked) and save some money, just get some couplers from http://www.siliconeintakes.com/ . As for the J-pipe, ets will work fine or you can browse the classifieds on here for a used one just make sure it's not the vrsf just keep in mind you will have to lose the driver/ac fan most likely or get a slim fan.

 

[GST with PSI]

Keep in mind, by purchasing a kit from VRSF, you're purchasing from a vendor who supports this community.

Sure, you can get something comparable on Ebay, but I doubt most of those sellers will stand behind their product if something goes wrong. It costs money to support customers, which I'm sure accounts for some of the markup seen on the VRSF kit. You're free to spend your money where you want, but try and support our vendors whenever possible.

 

[donniekak]

I've seen this situation many times over with cars, tools, etc. An American based company that's part of a community buys the same China stuff as everyone else and sells it for a little bit more. You actually get something for that money. You get a us based name and face to the product that is a part of the same community as you. The way they get the sale over others is customer service, and a presence on forums, Facebook, etc.

It's a roll of the dice with the China products. Some work fine, others have issues. Who would you rather deal with if you are in the group with issues?

 

[lasershark]

I will admit their customer service is good, and I was not bashing them by any means (I've bought 2), just throwing out some facts that were thrown out to me recently.
When my 1g gsx was totaled, I contacted them for a copy of the invoice/receipt since I lost the original sometime in the two years since original purchase. They had it to me electronically within 1 business day. I ended up getting reimbursed from my insurance because of it.

But the J-pipe still sucks either way

 

[bmw335ikt]

ok just to make sure before i put in my order. i just want to clear up some things. I'm going to buy the vrsf intercooler kit without the their jpipe. now if i order the ets j pipe the one in the link will this work with the vrsf kit and do i have to do any modifications to the pipe or would it just work like the vrsf j pipe.

Also when installing the vrsf kit i know you lose the fog lights and what does it require to be cut or taken off?

Thank you


http://www.maperformance.com/ets-ec...xUJ44OPngBbM2kXm6pBwrPb1Vv5eXIkxVIhoCCunw_wcB

 

[bmw335ikt]

also i hear there is a lot of cutting that has to be done to fit the vrsf kit is so what has to be cut?

Thanks

 

[lasershark]

Less cutting involved with the 2g vs the 1g. Skip to about 2:30 Just don't install it to high like this guy, no need to have to trim your headlight... That is just plain stupid

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The J-pipe that I have looks different than the one you posted, it's more of a basic "J" like this one
http://www.awdmotorsports.com/ETS_90_94_1G_DSM_Eclipse_14B_16G_J_Pipe_17536_p/17536.htm
or this one
http://www.maperformance.com/ets-eclipse-talon-laser-14b-16g-j-pipe-90-94-1g-dsm.html
as long as the bolts are accessible to install and remove you should be golden, that is the only reason people avoid the vrsf j pipe.


If you can't find any pics let me know and I can get you some tomorrow when there's light. The install is really not bad at all. If you are keeping your crash beam you will have to trim that (probably, I don't have one on the 2g PO removed it) and also trim your bumper cover a little.

 

[bmw335ikt]

yea that the only j pipe i found i typed in eclipse ets j pipe and thats the only one that came up. thats why i wanted to make sure. unless you know which one it is. also yea if you can take pics that would be great. I'm not going to keep the crash bar. Thanks

would the 1g j pipe the one you posted work?

 

[EG Hatch]

You should definitely get the 68hta as opposed to a 16g if your plan is to build the engine in the future. The 68hta will support around 10 lb/min more than a 16g which could mean 100whp with proper tuning. Imo 500$ is high for a 16g too.

As far as injectors you should get something 1000cc or larger so that you can upgrade other components/run e85 without having to buy another set later on. Pte, fic, rc, injector dynamics are all trusted brands.

Ecmlink is a must. The 255 pump rewired will support decent power but you may consider a 450 e85 pump, again, to buy things once. For an afpr brands like aeromotive, fuel lab, and aem have all been proven. As said, 1g bov is a cheap option that can be modified to hold a lot of boost.

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/turbo_bov_mod.html

People have had good results with chinese intercooler cores. I had fine results with one but I did notice gains from switching to an ets unit. Probably not worth the price difference unless the rest of your system is optimized fully (all other supporting mods)... the price difference when selecting a chinese unit could cover the 68hta entirely, which would make a much bigger gain/$ ratio

 

[bmw335ikt]

also should i stay with 750cc injectors with this setup or go bigger. thanks

 

[TehRiceBandit]

The punishment racing fmic doesn't require cutting and you can keep your fog lights. The j pipe also clears stock fans on a stock radiator.

And +1 bigger injectors

 

[bmw335ikt]

You should definitely get the 68hta as opposed to a 16g if your plan is to build the engine in the future. The 68hta will support around 10 lb/min more than a 16g which could mean 100whp with proper tuning. Imo 500$ is high for a 16g too.

As far as injectors you should get something 1000cc or larger so that you can upgrade other components/run e85 without having to buy another set later on. Pte, fic, rc, injector dynamics are all trusted brands.

Ecmlink is a must. The 255 pump rewired will support decent power but you may consider a 450 e85 pump, again, to buy things once. For an afpr brands like aeromotive, fuel lab, and aem have all been proven. As said, 1g bov is a cheap option that can be modified to hold a lot of boost.

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/turbo_bov_mod.html

People have had good results with chinese intercooler cores. I had fine results with one but I did notice gains from switching to an ets unit. Probably not worth the price difference unless the rest of your system is optimized fully (all other supporting mods)... the price difference when selecting a chinese unit could cover the 68hta entirely, which would make a much bigger gain/$ ratio

Thanks for the info. this is my first dsm and looking up threads and a lot of people run different stuff and don't know what size injectors to run. Also i found this rewire kit is this a good one and are they easy to installhttp://streettunedmotorsports.com/parts/stm_fuel_pump_rewire_kit.htm

 

[bmw335ikt]

The punishment racing fmic doesn't require cutting and you can keep your fog lights. The j pipe also clears stock fans on a stock radiator.

And +1 bigger injectors

i did look at this kit but was wondering if its better because the vrsf is a short route kit

Thanks

 

[TehRiceBandit]

i did look at this kit but was wondering if its better because the vrsf is a short route kit

Thanks

It's really not that much shorter. I don't think you would notice the difference. But that's just my opinion

 

[bmw335ikt]

yea i might just go with the punishment that way i can keep my fog lights and don't have to do much cutting. Thanks

 

[EG Hatch]

Thanks for the info. this is my first dsm and looking up threads and a lot of people run different stuff and don't know what size injectors to run. Also i found this rewire kit is this a good one and are they easy to installhttp://streettunedmotorsports.com/parts/stm_fuel_pump_rewire_kit.htm

No problem man, everyone has to start somewhere. You can piece together a kit easily and maybe save some money. The rewire is pretty easy and you should expect it to take no more 2-3 hours start to finish. You essentially just run a 10ga wire from your battery to the relay. The relay uses 4 connections. One from battery, on going to pump, ground, and a signal telling the relay to allow power from battery to the pump. Here are the basics:

http://www.amazon.com/Auto-Truck-Relay-Socket-SPDT/dp/B007JPPQH6/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1446450583&sr=8-12&keywords=automotive relay

http://www.amazon.com/Grand-General-55261-10-Gauge-Primary/dp/B00INVF40E/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1446450929&sr=8-7&keywords=10 ga wire

http://www.amazon.com/Parts-Express-Water-resistant-Fuse-Holder/dp/B0002KR88A/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1446450929&sr=8-11&keywords=10 ga wire

So for about 20$ you're getting essentially everything you need minus random connectors that you can get from an auto store if needed. And you only need about 8ft of wire so you can use it later to run an amp or whatever else you may want.

Check out this video for a little more info:

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[lasershark]

yea that the only j pipe i found i typed in eclipse ets j pipe and thats the only one that came up. thats why i wanted to make sure. unless you know which one it is. also yea if you can take pics that would be great. I'm not going to keep the crash bar. Thanks

would the 1g j pipe the one you posted work?

Pics comparisons of vrsf jpipe versus ets.

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^^^ THIS IS VRSF (inside bolt is a pain in the arse)^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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THIS IS ETS (bolts easy to get to)

And here is a link showing what you are going to have to cut (I couldn't get a good angle on mine)
http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/sbr-2g-fmic.201610/

 

[2gGst98]

Well as far as front mounts, I would recommend the punishment racing one. It's bolt on basically, trim front bumper and keep fog lights (pic in my profile). It is a short rout I believe as it comes up under the intake and not throught the stock side mount hole. I'm about to get the hta I'm thinking and fic 750 was recommended to me, my evo X fuel pump may be my limit to boost we shal see.

See attached on how they pass under fog lights and I have it a little high. And pipe comes under intake (short rout)