2G Big Upgrade Brake kit for 2g

[SFRacingGST]

I was wondering if anyone knew where i could find a full front and rear big brake kit for a 97-99 gsx. i can find a lot of front kits including rotors and calipers but no rears including the caliper only rotors. so again if anyone knows of a complete big brake kit out there for around a thousand bucks let me know. thanks guys

 

[jtmcinder]

We drive front-heavy cars. Why would you want big rear brakes?

No, I'm not just being a smart-ass. I am explaining why you can't find what you're looking for in the classic, Socratic manner.

With that said, Todd at TCE will make you a kit with 12.2" rotors front and rear.

- Jtoby

 

[Todd TCE]

Rear 2G is 13" now due to the fit of the DL four pot caliper. I think some of the early kits may have been 12.2 when they were the non vented rotors and the two pot caliper. New kit's much better on a number of points.

*Anyone with the older DLS set up can 'upgrade' to the newer parts fairly easily. I'll treat you right on it.

 

[hillbillyboostn]

right now on ebay there are some vr4 calipers. front and rear. i liked to buy'em and putem on my gs but cant afford them. dont know if they would mount on the gs though

 

[turbospyder19]

Just a question...since the front brakes do the vast majority of the braking ANYWAY, why would you need anything but good quality pads and rotors in back with big brakes up front? Seems like it would be overkill/a waste to spend money on big brakes for the back. Check out RRE's brake section...

 

[c5chris]

My buddy upgraded to the Rotora Big Brake Kit. They both fit the 2G GS-T and GSX

 

[Todd TCE]

Three reasons;

1. Increased thermal capacity.
2. A more properly balanced total package with regard to how it performs
3. Looks.

Keep it in perspective; a lot of folks buy a lot of things for looks. So what? There are plenty of other parts sold that have similar values.

 

[Revolution]

The reason being is,over all balance. Any person whom has driven cars with huge ass front brakes and shitty rear ones will know that the first thing you get when you stomp on that brake peddle is a fish tail happy car . This would be good for racing ,but extremely hard to control considering their are way to many variables when racing to actually determin how to properly drive the car on the ideal line . On the street forget about it, try slamming on the brakes when getting off the freeway because the jerk in front of you slammed on his for whatever reason ,no you have what you call a snap spin ,and possibly an accident. By properly balancing the car you can very easily take corners properly.

The reason most people buy the big break kits is because it offers a faster stop , meaning you can be on the gas longer and be on the brakes shorter when approaching a corner.
Take a look at a porches and the very first thing you will notice on the side angle is how massive the rear brakes are , why because a damn fast car needs to be balanced. Unless your fast just stick to the power slot rotor upgrade path ,that should give you some extra decent stopping force, others need that extra edge.

Besides the very first thing I do when I see a modded car with huge fronts and week rears is ,because it reminds me of so many bouncers I work with ,all in the top nothing at the bottom. Seriously think about it.

 

[Todd TCE]

Um, well not exactly.

The problems you have with too much front brake are that they can be nose heavy. Too much rear bias might give one a tail happy rear. Granted a certain amount of dive can induce some rear wag but not the same as too much rear brake...

Most folks who understand things don't buy big brakes for faster stops. That's simply not always the case. They buy them for both increases in thermal capacity and for their responsiveness and pedal feel. And weight loss and looks. While there may be some loss in stopping distance the stock brakes often work fine on most cars until they are pushed over and over.

As for the porch (I was just sitting under mine) the main reason you see such larger rear rotors is that they can exploit the gains in rear bias by way of vehicle dynamics. If you didn't notice most Porsches are rear engine cars. That means that under hard braking the weight is over the rear axle for a much more stable brake reaction. Too that extent an AWD dsm will have gains also over a FWD.

How much rear brake one can use is largely up to a balance of what is being used up front as well as how the cars suspension is set up to respond. i.e less weight shift or slower shifts allow for more rear brake.

Lastly, 'larger front' brakes do not necessarily mean a gross over bias of front brake at all. If the system is thought out well the bias will be at or near stock. Only the rotor will be larger for more thermal capacity. Other things keep the total package in check.

 

[Jeff_Jeske]

You dont really need big brakes.....the factory AWD brakes are pretty darn good.

Just get some race brake fluid and some porterfield R4 race pads. With that combo I nearly get a bruise from the harness.

If you are not tracking your car (road racing) then odds are you haven't even come close to using up the factory rotors.

I have yet to have fade with the R4 pads. This is after back to back pounding...multiple cycles of 120-30 MPH braking.

 

[Hammer_Gaidin]

I have the AEM big brake kit. And I love it. it stops on a dime. I only did full fronts, and rear rotors and pads. I'd recommend it to anyone.

 

[Revolution]

Um, well not exactly.

The problems you have with too much front brake are that they can be nose heavy. Too much rear bias might give one a tail happy rear. Granted a certain amount of dive can induce some rear wag but not the same as too much rear brake...

Most folks who understand things don't buy big brakes for faster stops. That's simply not always the case. They buy them for both increases in thermal capacity and for their responsiveness and pedal feel. And weight loss and looks. While there may be some loss in stopping distance the stock brakes often work fine on most cars until they are pushed over and over.

As for the porch (I was just sitting under mine) the main reason you see such larger rear rotors is that they can exploit the gains in rear bias by way of vehicle dynamics. If you didn't notice most Porsches are rear engine cars. That means that under hard braking the weight is over the rear axle for a much more stable brake reaction. Too that extent an AWD dsm will have gains also over a FWD.

How much rear brake one can use is largely up to a balance of what is being used up front as well as how the cars suspension is set up to respond. i.e less weight shift or slower shifts allow for more rear brake.

Lastly, 'larger front' brakes do not necessarily mean a gross over bias of front brake at all. If the system is thought out well the bias will be at or near stock. Only the rotor will be larger for more thermal capacity. Other things keep the total package in check.

I must admit you are totally right ,most people buy full kits either because of performance whether it be Increased thermal capacity or added weight savings.
Some people just want a more properly balanced total package with regards to how it performs whether it be it for road racing or just very spirited driving.
I personall definitely agree with people buying the kits with looks in mind.

In the end it's the individuals money and what makes him feel good, either of those reasons works with me,and I must admit I have been subconsciously finding my way back to you're page and the big brake upgrade for the 2g.

I have pretty much given up on trying to piece together other parts to make a big rear brake kit ,even the front for that matter. So give or take a few weeks and maybe a month or two ,but I some how know I'm going to end up taking a small loan and buying the entire kit from you Todd TCE , just because Id rather have my nerves at peace rather then worrying about some home made bracket snapping on me. Besides what would look nicer then 13 inch rotors and four piston calipers next to 12 inch wide rims?

 

[Batoott]

I was wondering if anyone knows the difference between the piston area of the GSX caliper compared to a 4 piston caliper?

 

[Todd TCE]

I do.

4.43 vs 4.47

In short; nothing. They both provide the same clamping force.