Bargain Basement Big Brakes

[omegis13]

2g 3000GT VR-4 rotors are a direct fit but they place the calipers so far out that you need spacers to fit your wheels over them. The Audi rotors mitigate this clearance issue but they are not a direct fit--you need to reduce the hub size to make them fit.

The dimensions of the brackets in the first couple pages of this thread are as clear as I can make them.

How large of a spacer is needed to run the 2g VR-4 rotors? might be worth the price if the spacer size isn't going to make my car look like a crack-running hooptie from the west side.

thanks,

Greg Heineken

 

[wret]

How large of a spacer is needed to run the 2g VR-4 rotors? might be worth the price if the spacer size isn't going to make my car look like a crack-running hooptie from the west side.

thanks,

Greg Heineken

Depending on your wheel spoke shape, I would guess around 10mm.

 

[Silver3tiger]

I have read the forum and have not seen anything about steel braided brakes lines. Will the steel braided brakes line for a 1g fit on a 3k TT caliper? I am going to buy the calipers and brakets for the 1G. Yet not sure about the lines Any help would be great.
Thanks

S.T.

 

[Jon Lane]

Call up Road Race Engineering and tell them what you need. You'll get back a well-made custom set for a very good price.

 

[wortdog]

I'm using RRE's off-the-shelf set of braided lines for a 1G AWD on my 1G AWD with VR4 TT calipers.

 

[Todd TCE]

I posted this elsewhere but if you want a deal on a brake kit you might considr the Wilwood factory kits with their 12.2" rotors and DP calipers. The total package including pads, hoses, brakets etc. starts at a whopping $849.

* I have yet to try this on a 1G but some thinking about it and I suspect we might be able to pull this one off.

 

[wtalon91]

I called up road race engineering and they said they will not work the brakes are to heavy. Dose anybody know where i can get the brackets from cause i have the vr4 tt calipers and i just need custom brackets made. Please somebody help thanks

 

[Jon Lane]

Can somebody tell me where i can get the brackets made for a 1g i have 1g vr4 calipers and i want to put them on. I will hope somebody will have a answer for this

Again: What diameter rotors? I might be able to help but you'll have to provide more info.

 

[gsxturboIII]

Can somebody tell me where i can get the brackets made for a 1g i have 1g vr4 calipers and i want to put them on. I will hope somebody will have a answer for this

I currently have the (1991)1g VR-4 calipers with 1g VR-4 rotors on my 92 GSX.

I purchased the brackets at http://www.electronicauto.com/products/2gttbrakeconversion/brackets.htm several years ago.

I did discover that these brackets will not clear ABS equipped 1Gs, luckily I was removing my ABS anyway.

Good Luck.

 

[wret]

I finally got around to experimenting with the rear set of Stealth TT calipers. They are a direct bolt-on....Almost.

I ordered a set of rear discs from a local parts store. When I checked the dimensions I was encouraged; they are about an in bigger in diameter than stock, the drum/hat is the same diameter, and they are vented. They just fit inside the dust shields although the shields do not fully cover the thicker rotors. The one concern I had was that they were not the same height as stock. They are almost half an inch shorter.

The mounting points are the same spacing on both calipers but when I bolted them on over the rotor, I found that the caliper had pulled the rotor back and out of place. To get the caliper centered over the rotor requires about 5mm of spacers (washers). The caliper mounting point is between the hub flange and the carrier plate for the brake shoes and there is not 5mm if extra space in there. To get the spacers and the caliper to fit I had to pry on the carrier plate to create a couple millimeters more clearance.

 

[EuroGSTSpyder]

I just found my set of 3kgt TT calipes and I am to borrow rotors as well from a friend. Will try to take as many pics possible during the work with mounting these brakes on my car.
I am just concerned if the rest of hte brake system ( IE lines, pump etc) will work problemfree without more work?

WRET:
When you put those on the car, if I understand correctly you took the calipers and made a 5mm(approx) spacer for the mountingbolts?This means the caliper comes "outwards" 5mm, right? Then the caliper was aligned with the rotor?
This in return makes the caliper hit the rim inside so yu need spacers for the rim as well?
OTher then that there is no major work needed?

 

[wret]

WRET:
When you put those on the car, if I understand correctly you took the calipers and made a 5mm(approx) spacer for the mountingbolts?This means the caliper comes "outwards" 5mm, right? Then the caliper was aligned with the rotor?
This in return makes the caliper hit the rim inside so yu need spacers for the rim as well?
OTher then that there is no major work needed?

Assuming you are referring to the rears; I had to space the mounting brackets about 5mm (washers) to center the calipers over the rotors. There is plenty of wheel clearance, so spacing the wheels is not necessary. The tight point is between the brake shoe carrier plate (parking brake) and the hub flange where the bracket fits. There isn't enough room in there to fit the caliper bracket AND the 5mm of spacers. The carrier plate is thin sheet metal and can be easily "tweaked" a little bit to make room.

I should add that the rear brakes will work on a 2g. The 3000GT/Stealths have nearly identical parking brake systems.

 

[Mike1992]

I run rx7 wheels with a 8mm spacer would I have room to mount up the stock vr4 brakes up front? The brackets bolt right on? Im so lost in this thread sorry If you having to repeat just for me. I'm wanting to go 245's on the rims and plan on thicker wheel spacers, I just need to k now if I can run a completely stock 3kgt vr4 setup with say 15mm wheel spacers.

 

[Elvenhome21]

This is what I am working on for next spring and all of my cars will get this.
Parts list and price for NEW
Brake Rotors 11.75x1.25 $45x2 http://www.stockcarproducts.com/brakes14d.htm
Brake Calipers Wilwood Superlite/ Outlaw $130-170x2 (1.75 piston x 1 1/4 wide rotor)
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/paging.yes/dept_id.10/display_id.1349/qx/Product.htm


Brake Hat Custom 1/8 steel plate or 1/4 aluminum plate
Caliper Bracket $10 and tools to do it
Wheel spacers? (my setup requires 2" min. offset for wheels)
Brake pads Performance friction 83 or 93 $120-$150
Time
This setup WILL fit in 15 in steel rims (racing Rims) (not sure about stock rims)
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2085800540090774303sjvguO
The first picture is what i am using for parts. paper is for mock up because my plasma cuter is giving problems at the moment.
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2483314310090774303tjMdXn
This picture is just the caliper hat and rotor

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2527633130090774303EXHavg
this is everything put together sorry for the darkness but you will get the picture in the next link


http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2680884990090774303tsAoec
I don't have a paper bracket made up but all you need is like a 1/4x1 piece of steel about 2 inch's long for both sides with two holes drilled in the pieces or use a solid bracket similar to page 2 the caliper spacing is 3.5". Use 3/8" grade 8 or better hardware for the bracket and you will be fine. I strongly recommend using grade 8 on any brake or hub parts along with safety wiring



This whole setup can be done for $300-$400 if you get the calipers pads rotors off of EBAY.

 

[ZiggysDSM]

is anyone making these brackets? if so how much and what type of metal are you using?

 

[1gcrazy]

is anyone making these brackets? if so how much and what type of metal are you using?

subscribing...

 

[2gAWDTalon]

I posted this elsewhere but if you want a deal on a brake kit you might considr the Wilwood factory kits with their 12.2" rotors and DP calipers. The total package including pads, hoses, brakets etc. starts at a whopping $849.

* I have yet to try this on a 1G but some thinking about it and I suspect we might be able to pull this one off.

I have just read all 5 pages of this thread and the whole time I have been wondering how much money some of you guys are spending on these projects... Some guys have bought calipers, and then gave up, getting nothing for the investment in the calipers. Dont get me wrong, what you are doing is awsome, Wret and WortDog I commend you.
I am with Todd on this one, that Wilwood kit is a nice kit and I am pretty sure it comes with the 4 pot calipers. Me personally I have a Baer Track kit, the rotors are pretty heavy (1 peice rotors) but the kit works awsome! 150mph+ Hiways pulls often anf they never overheat. I payed $700 shipped for my Baer kit, bolt on in under 1 hour. Came with Rotors, Calipers, Pads, Brackets, all hardware and Steel Braided brake lines. I can speed up to 120+ and slow back down to 70 as much as I want, I have not got them to fade yet.

I finally got around to experimenting with the rear set of 2g Stealth TT calipers. They are a direct bolt-on....Almost.

I ordered a set of rear discs from a local parts store. When I checked the dimensions I was encouraged; they are about an in bigger in diameter than stock, the drum/hat is the same diameter, and they are vented. They just fit inside the dust shields although the shields do not fully cover the thicker rotors. The one concern I had was that they were not the same height as stock. They are almost half an inch shorter.

The mounting points are the same spacing on both calipers but when I bolted them on over the rotor, I found that the caliper had pulled the rotor back and out of place. To get the caliper centered over the rotor requires about 5mm of spacers (washers). The caliper mounting point is between the hub flange and the carrier plate for the brake shoes and there is not 5mm if extra space in there. To get the spacers and the caliper to fit I had to pry on the carrier plate to create a couple millimeters more clearance.

That rear kit looks nice! I have the AEM Rear kit and I think they are a little bigger because the edge of the rotor is a little outside the dust sheild. I would love to have vented rears, the vented rotors out back has to make a big dif in heat build up. Are those calipers 1 piston?

 

[ZiggysDSM]

did anyone use the vr4 m/c? I have one abd it looks like it will work excep the line closest to the firewall looks like it will hit the inner fernderwell

 

[Raph]

brackets fromMitsu Outlander Turbo: 140 bucks..use these with Outlander Turbo Rotors 300 mm (oem 100 a piece,aftermarket 120 for a set)

use gsx calipers and pads.

 

[Jon Lane]

I have just read all 5 pages of this thread and the whole time I have been wondering how much money some of you guys are spending on these projects...

My 2G fronts:
-AEM 12.5" rotors - about $125 each
-Wilwood FSL calipers - about $125 each
-Milled steel brackets - about $50 each
-Lines - about $100 from RRE.

What's that, roughly $250 more than a stock replacement job?

If you prefer, substitute Mits 4-pot calipers for about half the cost of the Wilwoods. And obviously there's plenty of OEM-style rotors on the shelf if you want to experiment, starting at under $50/pr. You could conceivably pull off an upgrade for the cost of a stock replacement set.

 

[2gAWDTalon]

My 2G fronts:
-AEM 12.5" rotors - about $125 each
-Wilwood FSL calipers - about $125 each
-Milled steel brackets - about $50 each
-Lines - about $100 from RRE.

What's that, roughly $250 more than a stock replacement job?

If you prefer, substitute Mits 4-pot calipers for about half the cost of the Wilwoods. And obviously there's plenty of OEM-style rotors on the shelf if you want to experiment, starting at under $50/pr. You could conceivably pull off an upgrade for the cost of a stock replacement set.

I can see your point... But listen to mine...
Lets add up your list:
$250 -AEM 12.5" rotors - about $125 each
250 -Wilwood FSL calipers - about $125 each
100 -Milled steel brackets - about $50 each
100 -Lines - about $100 from RRE.
= $700 and that is before shipping, hardware or pads

You can have a Baer 13.1" Track Kit for $700 Shipped and bolt it on in under 1 hour. Clears my factory 17's and is nice and easy. Kit came with Rotors, Steel Braided Brake lines, all new hardware, Brackets, Calipers, pads, and easy instructions.
I think Todd at TCE has some Willwood kits that are comparable (just a touch more expensive, but maybe a little better)

I dont know if the AEM rotors have aluminum hats, if they do that would be a advantage, also your calipers may be better, but that is a opinion. I know it is easy to get replacement pads for my PBR calipers.

Anyway, dont take what I am saying wrong. My point is that it seems for some people it may be the same price or cheaper, and definitely easier to go with a off the shelf kit.

For those who can complete it, like you, it may suit what you want better to do a custom kit like yours. But you did not really save any money.

 

[wret]

But you did not really save any money.

You might have missed the info in the first post:

1. Stealth TT calipers, 1992 (all four), ebay, $125 shipped
2. Audi A6 Rotors, ebay $179 shipped
3. Hardware, Mcmaster-Carr about $30
4. Adaptor plates, scrap ½ aluminum, cut by a friend, freebee.

Since then:
5. Rear VR4 Rotors: $80
Total: $414

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Total: $414

Nice!

 

[Todd TCE]

I have just read all 5 pages of this thread and the whole time I have been wondering how much money some of you guys are spending on these projects... Some guys have bought calipers, and then gave up, getting nothing for the investment in the calipers.

A lot of work, time and effort here. I'm watching to see what comes of some of it. There's a lot more here to some of this than what's been said thus far but it's not my place to say how and why, I'm just along for the ride. I guess if shopping used ebay parts and sourcing parts from various supplier then having to attempt your own methods of assembly and build is your thing these plans may appeal to you. To have it all in one box ready to rock for $1200 seems not so bad afterall.

And for the bean counters out there remember that from a retail selling point there's more to the "KIT" then just hard parts. Yes I'm aware of the price of an FSL caliper, a rotor, a hose kit etc. but hard parts alone don't cover the cost of doing business; advertising, rent, insurance, web, phone....believe me; if I could sell a kit for 10% over parts cost life would be good for everyone. Business doesn't survive that way. Never the less, I'll match or beat a price if someone wants to buy calipers, pads, hoses...

 

[Jon Lane]

Just FYI, I didn't do this because of lowest cost. I did it to see how much caliper I could fit on the car.

After one aftermarket wheel swap from low-clearance RH wheels to Mitch's Team Dynamics wheels, I have a system that appears to fit the sizable FSL caliper inside a stock 2G wheel. Barely.

I also have solid 3/8" milled steel brackets (that I can change the CAD artwork for at will) and yes, aluminum hats, if that's important. All parts were 100% new and all were vended by reputable authorized dealers.

That said, if you can get a bolt-on Wilwood kit for the same amount, you may want to grab it. Mine's also a bolt-on, but you have to make up directions yourself.