ball bearing or nitrous for spool up?

[peregrine]

i have two choices with my budget. i can get this http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17347&cat=577&page=1 turbo, or i can get a standard bearing turbo with a wet kit. all for about the same price. i figure id get more power with the nitrous but i wouldnt have the instant spool all the time. *sigh* i really hate the transient response of standard bearing turbos. on the other hand id be able to run the turbo oil cooled only eliminating another headache. input?

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

Sell your DSM, buy a Hemi. If you're asking this question, you obviously have no idea.

 

[peregrine]

first off my DSM *is* a hemi. second off, your a smart guy to notice that i didnt know the answer to the question i was asking. i guess im just not cool enough to go around asking questions on random forums that i already know the answer to. maybe ill do some more research so i can be an e-thug like you :laugh:

 

[99gst_racer]

I would only rely on nitrous for spool up on a track-only car. For a street application, I would recommend you getting the ball-bearing set-up.

 

[Awdboost]

Ball bearing turbo don't spool like bushing turbos, but they don't do that much better. I love my FP3065 but I don't see boost until 4.5K So they are not that much better then the standard bushing turbos, but not much. I would stick with a turbo unless you have not more you can do. Then Spray.. NO2 will eat away at your motor. You'll be rebuilding it a lot sooner then normal. Plus, don't you have a 2.4L motor.. You can afford to go bigger and have shit loads of power.

 

[peregrine]

then ball bearing it is. im not worried about spool up so much as i am transient response between shifts.

 

[MNGSX]

In that case it is all about NLS.... No lift to shift. umm search....

As for spool..... When drag racing any stutter box is a form of ALS.. (anti-lag system) the dropping of spark on one cylinder results in fuel burning in the exhaust manifold. It is very comon to see much more boost while reving against a stutter box at 3600rpm for example than if someone was just holding the engine at 3600 solely via their foot.

 

[peregrine]

In that case it is all about NLS.... No lift to shift. umm search....

As for spool..... When drag racing any stutter box is a form of ALS.. (anti-lag system) the dropping of spark on one cylinder results in fuel burning in the exhaust manifold. It is very comon to see much more boost while reving against a stutter box at 3600rpm for example than if someone was just holding the engine at 3600 solely via their foot.

yeah, i know what NLS is :laugh: only problem with that is stock trannys dont like that too much. i wasted a shift fork last year doing that. ill do it again but with a built tranny. or maybe a lighter car. on my first car i had a crane ignition with a built in 2 step. that actually worked better than a TMO chip because it cuts spark not fuel which can mess with timing.

 

[MNGSX]

Stock trans dont like normal aggressive shifting and high power to begin with...

At a certain point a built engine = built transmission.

I'd get a shep built trans...

 

[peregrine]

Stock trans dont like normal aggressive shifting and high power to begin with...

At a certain point a built engine = built transmission.

I'd get a shep built trans...

or for twice the price a magnus dogbox which lasts forever

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

or for twice the price a magnus dogbox which lasts forever

YES! Because there have been so many of them running around for such great amounts of time, especially for street driving like you speak of.

Yes, out engines have a hemispherically designed chamber, but I think we both know what Hemi I speak of. Learn to shift and boost response isn't an issue. My T67 respools nearly instantly inbetween shifts if you hit the gear fast. I don't no-lift.

Yes, I am an e-thug. I am tired of stupid questions and stupid users. The search button is your friend. Kthxbye

 

[Stock Josh]

Nitrous will let you sandbag on the street. It will also make the car more consistant because it will spool the same on the launch everytime. If you use nitrous to spool it, you can use a bigger turbine side, and have a better intake to exhaust efficiency. Efficiency = power. Nitrous will cool the intake charge, like a second form of intercooling. Oh, and did I mention that nitrous will let you sanbag on the street? That right there will make you money in the long run.

 

[MNGSX]

or for twice the price a magnus dogbox which lasts forever

More like 4-5x depending on the options.

I'm sure the absolute max shep can do will still cost 1/3 the cost of a magnus dogbox... which I'm sure is likely just a remarketed Albins gearset.

 

[peregrine]

YES! Because there have been so many of them running around for such great amounts of time, especially for street driving like you speak of.

Yes, out engines have a hemispherically designed chamber, but I think we both know what Hemi I speak of. Learn to shift and boost response isn't an issue. My T67 respools nearly instantly inbetween shifts if you hit the gear fast. I don't no-lift.

Yes, I am an e-thug. I am tired of stupid questions and stupid users. The search button is your friend. Kthxbye

once again you are ignorant in your superior attitude. when did i ever ONCE mention it was a street car? everytime i see you in a thread besides your own, your arguing with someone. i think you are compensating for a little dick with a big mouth and a fast car. grow up.

 

[peregrine]

More like 4-5x depending on the options.

I'm sure the absolute max shep can do will still cost 1/3 the cost of a magnus dogbox... which I'm sure is likely just a remarketed Albins gearset.

i was actually kidding about the dogbox, thus the symbol. ive got a good friend who can build trannys i just need to get the parts. i think id be fine with a 4 spider diff and steel shift forks. ive never broken a diff (knock on wood) because believe it or not i actually know how to drive these cars. 1.70 60' on stock clutch with exhaust only, running a 13.2@101 mph at altitude is not bad if i do say so myself.

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

once again you are ignorant in your superior attitude. when did i ever ONCE mention it was a street car? everytime i see you in a thread besides your own, your arguing with someone. i think you are compensating for a little dick with a big mouth and a fast car. grow up.

Nah, I just get tired of dumbasses like yourself asking dumb questions like "Ball bearing or Nitrous" to help spool. If it's a track car, why are you asking? If you're getting a dogbox, you obviously have the money to buy just about anything, so get both.. not that ball-bearing is going to significantly improve your spool time.

You are junk.

 

[peregrine]

You are junk.

as in the japanese zombie movie? thanks!!!

 

[green92gsx]

The search button is your friend.

A quick search would lead him to this thread over pouring with information on spool.

 

[peregrine]

A quick search would lead him to this thread over pouring with information on spool.

oh yeah that thread has like 10 pages of info. a virtual cornucopia of spool up wealth yeah im gonna go with a smaller exhaust housing thus negating the idea of a bigger turbo. and once again there was mirage2lturbo being a jack off to someone. you guys seriously must have no life. oh well im happy so who cares

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

oh yeah that thread has like 10 pages of info. a virtual cornucopia of spool up wealth yeah im gonna go with a smaller exhaust housing thus negating the idea of a bigger turbo. and once again there was mirage2lturbo being a jack off to someone. you guys seriously must have no life. oh well im happy so who cares

Research... then ask questions. Stupid questions get stupid answers, like mine above

 

[herostar]

To get this thread back on track....


What kind of spool time are you looking for and what are your horsepower goals?

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

To get this thread back on track....

As if that were possible.

mirage2lturbo ever read this above where you type in replies

2. No Insults and/or name calling - this can get you banned without warning - we don't care how experienced or knowledgable you are, don't be a smart ass!


You'd better because I don't want to see anymore flames or off-topic replies. Whenever you see a thread and a dumbass response pops into your head just move on and laugh to yourself.