balancing shaft eliminator kit or no?

[dj99877]

hey everyone, im rebuilding a 4g out a 90 eclipse awd and i was wondering if it would be a good idea to buy a balancing shaft eliminator kit, it says
* More HP to the wheels
* Zero chance the B-Belt will fail and kill the timing belt
* Zero chance the balance shaft bearings will fail and damage the rest of the motor
* More oil pressure to the rest of the motor
and the bad
* More vibration is felt in side the car (no more is made, just more is felt)
* Every car is different, some motors are more balanced than others. It is no worse that any other 2.0 liter car with out balance shafts
what my question is to anyone who has this or knows about them more, is it worth the money or should i just stick with them being in? thanks

Dan

 

[Team Addiction]

Nothing personal man but this topic has been covered so much its ridiculous. Do a little more searching next time eh.

That said a BSE has several advantages. The most popular being no more belt trashing your timing belt when it goes.
Higher oil pressure is nice but after a BSE it can be WAY too high and is something you should be prepared to address should you eliminate them. (search oil pressure relief valve porting)
THere are claims of more power to be had and some disagree. Personally anything that can be removed from the rotating weight should create more power. (parasitic drag)
The added vibration you may or may not notice. Some people dont. However solid motor mounts and you will definitely notice!!

All that said I removed mine and had the motor balanced. and would do it again if I had the choice. Of course I dont like extra unnecessary things like Power steering and AC cause those are gone too.

 

[dj99877]

Nothing personal man but this topic has been covered so much its ridiculous. Do a little more searching next time eh.

That said a BSE has several advantages. The most popular being no more belt trashing your timing belt when it goes.
Higher oil pressure is nice but after a BSE it can be WAY too high and is something you should be prepared to address should you eliminate them. (search oil pressure relief valve porting)
THere are claims of more power to be had and some disagree. Personally anything that can be removed from the rotating weight should create more power. (parasitic drag)
The added vibration you may or may not notice. Some people dont. However solid motor mounts and you will definitely notice!!

All that said I removed mine and had the motor balanced. and would do it again if I had the choice. Of course I dont like extra unnecessary things like Power steering and AC cause those are gone too.

where did you go to get your motor balanced? and how much was it?

 

[Team Addiction]

A local shop think it was $100. Any good machine shop should have a balance guy available.
If your just removing the shafts you prob dont have to get it balanced but if the motor is out of the car for rebuild anyway its worth a little extra cake to have it balanced in my opinion

 

[Spoolin18]

I would get the AMS BSE kit. I think its the best one. Some inferior kits can cause oil pump damage which leads to you know what...def do the orv porting.

 

[dj99877]

I would get the AMS BSE kit. I think its the best one. Some inferior kits can cause oil pump damage which leads to you know what...def do the orv porting.

alright ill deffinately look up this orv porting since it seems like its a must. thanks

 

[Insane Performa]

I personally use this kit. FFWD Connection - Race Injuns That Will Freeze Your Brain and i would suggest still looking into the above stated of oil pressure relief valve porting.

 

[dj99877]

I personally use this kit. FFWD Connection - Race Injuns That Will Freeze Your Brain and i would suggest still looking into the above stated of oil pressure relief valve porting.

so when you port out the oil pressure relief valve can you really go to big and lose a bunch of oil pressure or is just kinda trial and error?

 

[dsmmikej]

I think there was a recent post about doing more than just porting the oil filter housing releif valve. BogusSVO had a good theory on what can be done, but he only did it to stop lifter tick. It is possible that oil pressure will drop a little if your pressure is too high. His mod went as far as modifying the oil port in the head and a little releif work done to the lifter journals, you might wanna check that out too.

 

[jrohner]

You don't really have to buy a 'kit' to eliminate the BS's. You can use the original bearings, you just need to pound them out, turn them to block the oil hole, and pound them both back in. For the rear, you just cut the shaft off and weld the hole shut (so oil doesn't flow through). All you need then is a plug to block the hole in the cover left by the missing balance shaft. This plug can be ordered from a dealer, since the Hyundai Elantra 1.6 didn't use balance shafts.

The alternative, which eliminates the possible too-high oil pressure issue, is to leave the front balance shaft in without turning the bearings, and just leave the BS belt off. Yes, you still have to pull the oil pump off though to cut the rear BS off and weld the hole shut.

I've done it both ways I listed, as well as using a BS elim kit on the last engine I put together. All work equally good.

 

[Insane Performa]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-engine-fuel/319342-oil-pressure-relief-valve-porting.html -
use this for the relief valve and it pretty much trial and error.