Any 2.3l Fwd's??

[Big28 2gFWD]

OK, here's my dilema. i cannot decide if i wanna stroke my 7bolt or build a 6 bolt. 7 bolt storker is starting to sound somewhat appealing to me for a few reasons. 1. im a torque junky, love the feeling of getting sucked in my seat while the boost is rising. 2. cost of building up a stroked 7bolt (even with new 4g64 crank) is a little bit cheaper than a 6 bolt conversion and like most dsmer's im on a budget. looking to run a big turbo (60-1) in the future and would like to make some power before 5k. already decided on a 1g head, ported with a magnus, i know between the smim and the ported 1ghead my top end will not "suffer" too much like everyone likes to say a stroker will do. cams will stay with my current comp 101100's (264 equivs) excellent midrange all the way to redline. not even sure why im babbling as this isn't post isnt about building my motor. it's more of curiousity as to whether or not the fwd dsmer's are handling the added torque well. my drivetrain/ suspension is done right..quife lsd, tein coilovers, and bf kdw's with a set of 555r's sittin in garage 235/45/17 both. i do not want to be spinning until 75mph. id like the added midrange and torque but if it is going to be anything like my fp green 1wd days then forget it. my best friend has an 05 srt-4 dynoing at 321whp/344 ft-lbs..and he's hookin around 55-60mph with 555r's and just a set of mopar springs (although his comes with a quife stock) pretty much exactly what im looking for, just wondering if any in the dsm community are have done this already....thanks in advance

 

[dsm-onster]

264s WILL be a bottle neck for your stroker setup. Good power can be made with almost any aftermarket cam. BUT, easy power is another thing... A good stroker-based cam will nail your 264s to the wall.

Look at swodfish's results:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183700

You top end will not suffer with a stroker but your rod bolts will.

I think Nate from SBR runs a fwd stroker. Contact him.

i do not want to be spinning until 75mph.

Only less torque can keep you from spinning. I was beaking loose at 60 mph on demand w/ my little 18G, FP2Xs, and stock bottem end on a sh!tty tune. This is w/ LSD, and an anti-lift kit. All I can say is sticky rubber is a must.

BTW. I think FWD 1Gs have great traction for FWDs.

 

[Big28 2gFWD]

solid advice man thanks..
nate from sbr gave up that 2.3l fwd set up about 3 years ago after hitting mid 11's, guess he got tired of constantly shelling out for dss axles. i think he went something crazy like a 10.3 in a gutted 1g awd on the same set up later on.
point u made about the cams is valid, was thinkin of maybe swapping out the exhaust cam for a 272, but if going to drop $300 on one cam, i might as well drop $470 on another set of comps (101200's)
was wondering though..where'd you get ## no lift kit from?

thanks again man

 

[dsm-onster]

solid advice man thanks..
nate from sbr gave up that 2.3l fwd set up about 3 years ago after hitting mid 11's, guess he got tired of constantly shelling out for dss axles. i think he went something crazy like a 10.3 in a gutted 1g awd on the same set up later on.
point u made about the cams is valid, was thinkin of maybe swapping out the exhaust cam for a 272, but if going to drop $300 on one cam, i might as well drop $470 on another set of comps (101200's)
was wondering though..where'd you get ## no lift kit from?

thanks again man

If you research antilift geometry on the web you'll be able to see how easy it is to make your own. The antilift kit REALLY helped. But, you can't dodge the laws of physics and weight transfer.

HKS cam prices are not only rediculous but it angers me . FP2s proved to yield MORE power and are cheap enough to get a decent spring upgrade and you'll pay the same for JUST a set of HKS cams. A set of fp3xs are around $420 for the pair... they're made by comp. BUT supposedly they do not need to be degreed to get optimum performance and of course you will need dual springs... The FP3s will probably be fine w/ a set of manley singles from sbr (don't even worry about the spring and retainer kit. as revving a stroker is not recommended. I've been revving my more aggresive fp2Xs to 8500 rpms several times a week for thousands of miles now w/ stock retainers. smooth power to redline. zero float.

 

[Big28 2gFWD]

good advice, my valvetrain is getting done when i build the motor so no reason i wouldnt be able to run a more aggressive cam, i do not see myself revving higher than 7-7.5k do u remember what ## rear spring rates are? traction is going to be my main focus once the car is running again havent got a chance to look into the anti lift kit yet, but im sure with some homework ill be able to fab up something (hopefully) as i feel i've done just about everything there is to do suspension wise..although my best friend does fiberglass work and i have thought about having flare out my fenders about an inch and seeing if i cant get some real wide tires on her...like a 255, although the 235kdw's helped tremendously, i just want about as much traction as i can get..

 

[dsm-onster]

good advice, my valvetrain is getting done when i build the motor so no reason i wouldnt be able to run a more aggressive cam, i do not see myself revving higher than 7-7.5k do u remember what ## rear spring rates are? traction is going to be my main focus once the car is running again havent got a chance to look into the anti lift kit yet, but im sure with some homework ill be able to fab up something (hopefully) as i feel i've done just about everything there is to do suspension wise..although my best friend does fiberglass work and i have thought about having flare out my fenders about an inch and seeing if i cant get some real wide tires on her...like a 255, although the 235kdw's helped tremendously, i just want about as much traction as i can get..

Just like they taught you in sex-ed, rubber's your friend Do whatever it take to et as much rubber in the finderwell. The new Z06 corvettes come stock w/ 285 series tires or bigger...

 

[Big28 2gFWD]

oh yea aside from the dif. swapping out the toyo proxes i was running before to a set of falken azenis back in the day on my stock wheels, was probably the best thing ive done for traction, only problem with stickies is they dont last for long at all. been through a set of azenis in 12kmiles, and my kdw's are wearing thin after only 10k i got a set of nitto 555r's that i cant decide if i want to run or not, my buddy is swearing by these yoko advans that he runs for autocross but i will not pay $180 a tire for something that wont even last me until jan. just wish i could find something with decent grip/ wet traction (i live in fl where it rains for 20mins out of no where) and treadlife, but i think im looking for a tire that doesnt exist

 

[TSisleeper]

try a M compound A048 advan by yokohama 225 40 17 (my buddy has 245/40 17's on his 1g awd) www.hesspower.com, look under customers cars and click on 1991 tsi owners name is Dave Cicotti

 

[1GenDSM]

if you have any questions about a 2.3 FWD talk to the wiseman Project_Tsi he did it. Hey liked it i think he hit 12's with it but if you need any input go and ask him

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Go with a set of FP 3s they are made just for the stroker engines, a single spring from Manley or Crower will be fine because your not revving the engine too high...repeated high reving will cause the cylinder to wear in an oval shape, due to rod/piston combo, but Andy revs his to 7K with no problems, but I wouldnt go much higher then that just to play it safe.

Dustin

 

[compression]

2.3 fwd , only one name comes to mind , project tsi

 

[project_tsi]

2.3 fwd , only one name comes to mind , project tsi

Hey whoa, where did this thread come from!!

Yeah I had a 2.3L in my FWD, mind you I said Had.

My setup wasn't too extreme. 2.3L, 50 trim, Comp 200 cams, etc. Mind you I did have a full Karking LSD diff, it left posi everywhere. I had full KYB AGX shocks w/ Eibach prokits, and nice 235/45/17's. On a decent street tune at 22psi, 1st and 2nd were useless, and 3rd, whell it threw you all over the road left and right, but not spinning, but still making it a bi*** to drive under WOT. I even have a full set of slicks, and set at 9 psi, it would stil burn into 2nd, and finally grab.

So it was just too much for the FWD and street use, so I picked up a AWD shell that I'm swapping it all over into. Maybe a larger turbo would have helped. With a 50 trim being such a quick spooler on a stroker, it ripped the tires loose, quick.

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Dan,

Once I get my set-up into my FWD I figure Ill be getting a motorless AWD, but I want to run the 1/4 FWD a bunch, and DD it for a year or so, then swap it all over to AWD and see any changes in 1/4 times ect...Yeah I know it sounds stupid and a waste of time when I know Im planning on switching to AWD, but hey I want to be " traction retarded" Plus ill have a 2.3L and a 2.0L so then Ill have 2 Talons

Dustin

 

[project_tsi]

Without a full LSD diff like a Quaife, Karking, Kaaz, etc, a good set of stickys and full suspension, you'll find yourself quickly frustrated and dissapointed with the setup. At least I know I was. I could hardly pull off mid 12's w/ the stroker fwd, when the setup was good for high-mid 11's easily.

Frankly, it just wasn't fun anymore being raped off the line by old grand ams being driven by even older grand ma's.

 

[andymoraitis]

Frankly, it just wasn't fun anymore being raped off the line by old grand ams being driven by even older grand ma's.

That's just because you suck on the line. Then again at least you don't turn the 3-4 into a 3-2 like I've done.

 

[project_tsi]

That's just because you suck on the line. Then again at least you don't turn the 3-4 into a 3-2 like I've done.

You try taking my stroked out high hp FWD and pull a 1.7 60'. That takes skizzill. Too bad I needed full slicks and a $750 posi LSD to do it.

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Im aiming for low 12s with my fwd, with Quaife LSD, JIC fully adjustable coil-overs, slicks, and driveshaft shop level 5 axles. Should be good suspension, wish mueller was closer to me then Cali(Im in CT) otherwise I would have him set-up my suspension and fine tune it.

Dustin

 

[project_tsi]

Im aiming for low 12s with my fwd, with Quaife LSD, JIC fully adjustable coil-overs, slicks, and driveshaft shop level 5 axles. Should be good suspension, wish mueller was closer to me then Cali(Im in CT) otherwise I would have him set-up my suspension and fine tune it.

Dustin

On a 14b?

 

[fourreGsixty3]

NO, that would be worse then when Andy was using a 16G on his stroker. Sorry Andy had to. Ill be going the route of a gt35R with a .63a/r, and all supporting fuel mods, ect... I think that the GT will spool a little slower then your 50trim so i might have more traction capabilities.

Dustin

 

[project_tsi]

NO, that would be worse then when Andy was using a 16G on his stroker. Sorry Andy had to. Ill be going the route of a gt35R with a .63a/r, and all supporting fuel mods, ect... I think that the GT will spool a little slower then your 50trim so i might have more traction capabilities.

Dustin

Until you reach full boost!!!

PS. Do you have slicks yet? I'm selling my M/T ET Drag slicks setup as I'm switching to AWD. I dropped over 1 sec from slicks alone.

 

[fourreGsixty3]

I will be getting slicks 24.5x 8x 14, or something with the same height as regular tires to keep gearing normal with a set of driveshaft shop level 5 axles, want to make sure Im not breaking axles even though the stocks can take slicks and gobs of power with the proper launching techniques. But due to the fact that Im going to UTI, I need all my cash for an apartment, and college.

Dustin

 

[dherron]

Ok as for fwd strokers I love mine, sorry I am tearing it down. I ran a 92 6 bolt stroker with a open diff and stock cams and a evo 3 and could lay down a 12.1 @ 129mph. and that was on street tires. still had no traction until about 95 mph. might not have been the best track car but i loved it on the highway. now i am pulling the motor and putting it in my 2g awd. as for cams i am going to try a set of fp3x's

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

I would suggest a 60-1 for stroked FWD. Had a friend in Iowa doing it pulling high 11's on "street" drag tires. Full spool around 4100 and spinning stopped around 6k in 2nd with somem pedaling.

 

[boosted spartan]

i wanna go with a stroker too...my plan is 2.3L on a GT35R all supporting mods, and FP3X's...that would be sweet...i just got a awd shell that im working on..itll all go to that one after i have it on my fwd for atleast a couple of months..i want to feel what it is to be "traction retarded"....