Altezza's!!!!!!!! Which Ones Make The Cut..

[TurBoGs-T]

Originally posted by Neo Racer

Ever wonder how a 195hp Elise can aboslutley smoke a 350hp Cobra R????

Where did this happen at?

 

[FourG63 97GST]

Sport compact car magazine did an article a while back

 

[Red Hot Eclipse]

Those cars are as close to go carts as u'll ever get in a street legal car. They weigh like 2000lbs or so.

 

[nutshot]

Oooh, I wanna be different, anyone got pics they could post so I can be different too?

 

[Neo Racer]

Originally posted by TurBoGs-T


Where did this happen at?

May 2002 edition of Sport Compact Car...Cobra R something like a 13.4 and the Elise ran a 12.6. .......not to mention, the Elise costs less as well.

 

[sids]

Originally posted by Neo Racer


You'd be surprised just how much weight reduction can affect your performance and yes, every little pound counts...because they add up. So if you're going for a fast car....yeah, it's a big deal.

Ever wonder how a 195hp Elise can aboslutley smoke a 350hp Cobra R????

Yes, i've read that and "they add up", so to make your DSM the absolute mean performance machine that you really want and advocate so much, why don;t you take out the entire interior, take of all the seats, all the airconditioning, water pump, steering pump and all those things that you deem "performance weight loss".

what you'll end up will be something like that poor Sentra that SCC canibalized and ended looking like a motor on a frame. But hey they did get rid of 2 seconds from their ET, so is this the performance you want?

I think you wanna change your sig, Pure Performance isn't practical

 

[TurBoGs-T]

I guess i speak for myself(and probably a couple other people) when i say that i definately care about performance but not as serious as to not buy something i like just cause it puts a couple pounds on. I definately want to look good too. My car is fast enough how it is. And i agree with sids for all you guys that strictly performance and care about the weight that much. Tear out your interior and seats and all that. Especially you guys that have the leather interior cause you can send them my way.

 

[Neo Racer]

Originally posted by sids


Yes, i've read that and "they add up", so to make your DSM the absolute mean performance machine that you really want and advocate so much, why don;t you take out the entire interior, take of all the seats, all the airconditioning, water pump, steering pump and all those things that you deem "performance weight loss".

what you'll end up will be something like that poor Sentra that SCC canibalized and ended looking like a motor on a frame. But hey they did get rid of 2 seconds from their ET, so is this the performance you want?

I think you wanna change your sig, Pure Performance isn't practical

Well yeah, if you're going for the fastest your car can possibly be...yeah you should remove all that stuff. Doubt that would be too useful in a daily driver though. You're the one who thought weight reduction was no big deal, don't mess your pants over it...admit when you're wrong.

There's a big difference in the weight of stock components of your vehicle and actually adding weight with huge chrome rims or excessive body work...

And no, I don't think I should change my sig to that. Sounds kind of ghey to me. Not surprising you thought of it though.

 

[FourG63 97GST]

haha, this thread is getting interesting.I'll be back to hear his reply on that comment

 

[sids]

fourG63, here you go

let's dissect his shall we?

"Doubt that would be too useful in a daily driver though"

Um last I've checked here, you have a daily driver, 98% here have daily drivers, so far I haven't seen anyone participating who has a strictly drag or track car, and i haven't seen anyone with a strictly show car either, maybe they're just lurking

So radical weight reduction actually gets thrown out the window since it "wouldn't be of much use" in a daily driver

"you're the one who thought weight reduction was no big deal, admit you're wrong."

Wrong about what? I never said weight reduction was no big deal, The SCC guy shaved 2 whole seconds of his Et by removing all of the unneccessary stuff from his car, although the end result is questionable because can you still call it a car? I suppose so, Ford's first car had no roof and was also basically an engine with wheels. So yes i was wrong, you can still call it car.

"There's a big difference in the weight of stock components of your vehicle and actually adding weight with huge chrome rims or excessive body work... "

Where does excessive bodywork and chrome rims come in? Last i checked this thread was about altezza lights, which incidentally weigh just about the same as stock, not sure here, hey would anyone please weigh a set of altezzas and see how much weigh they shave of your vehicle?

"And no, I don't think I should change my sig to that. Sounds kind of ghey to me. Not surprising you thought of it though."

Rice is actually pretty practical, its a good source of carbohydrates and is a staple food in most countries, ever tried rice a rooni? Plus is a hardy wheat and will grow in a range of climates and temperatures.

 

[RST]

The 3 pieces to the altezza kit on a 2g weigh less than the stock pieces. I don't know the exact numbers but just by picking the two of them up I could tell their was a differance.

I thought this thread was suposed to be about someopne wo wanted to get a look at several different tail lights. Not a flame war about weight reduction, body kits, crome wheels, exc.

 

[illwill]

lalala...

 

[illwill]

umm i have no clue how to post pics but theres a pic on my profile of my 94 Talon with clear altezza's

 

[Neo Racer]

Sids-
First off...you must suffer from somekind of attention deficit disorder, because if you go pack a page or so, you'll remember that you are the one who brought up wheels, body kits, and weight reduction.

No, altezza style taillights have no weight signifigance...they're just fugly. You want to look like every other white civic with an aluminum wing and APC banner on the block though..please slap them on. They're hella mad tyte yo.

Bottom line...you're going performance, or you're not. You slap a bunch of extra crap on your car...it's ADDITIONAL weight. Only a moron can't see the impracticality of making your car heavier than stock if you're going for performance. And this being DSMtuners.com "The DSM performance enthusiast resource".....I don't understand why you would be here if performance wasn't your top priority.

Also, aren't you the guy who suggested painting your car "gold" in another post.... I think that's enough to describe your personality. I think 99% of the people on this site could give a sh!t less what others do to their cars...just learn to accept the criticism that comes with it. This is the real world...not Happy Land Preschool....don't post if you can't deal with it.

 

[FourG63 97GST]

interesting how a altezza thread got up to 5 pages

 

[dsmnate]

Originally posted by Neo Racer
Bottom line...you're going performance, or you're not. You slap a bunch of extra crap on your car...it's ADDITIONAL weight. Only a moron can't see the impracticality of making your car heavier than stock if you're going for performance. And this being DSMtuners.com "The DSM performance enthusiast resource".....I don't understand why you would be here if performance wasn't your top priority.

That's not true at all. Where is the rule written that says you can't be a performance enthusiast and also want to modify your car cosmetically?

There is no reason that someone can't have a really fast car and also have a Body Kit, Wheels, Altezza's, etc.. You are taking things to the extreme. If you are a hardcore racer then you will not want to add any weight to the car, but what if you are a Performance and Show Car enthusiast that wants a nice daily driver that can be taken to shows as well as the track. If everyone went by the rules you are setting forth then all fast cars would have a stock body and stock wheels and that is by far not the case.

BTW....Where are some pictures of your car? You have a big mouth about these things but I looked for a gallery for you and didn't find any pics.

 

[Spidey]

Please don't compare DSMs to Civics either, Altezzas or not

 

[Red Hot Eclipse]

I agree with dsmnate, not everyone wants a 10 or 11 second car. Maybe for some a 12 or 13 second car with a complete interior is enough. For myself i would like fast car but not at the expense of my interior or any other accomidations that the car comes with. Look at Ferrari and Lamborghini, they are sufficiently fast cars with a complete interior and all the amenities that you would find in a Lexus or Bimmer. Granted some companies like Porsche do sell stripped down cars but for the most part these are for pure racers. I bet a majority of us here use our cars as daily drivers and would like air conditioning in the summer, or a radio to listen to on long trips. It all depends on the use of the car. To each there own though.

 

[FourG63 97GST]

^^^so you comparing Ferrari,BMW, and Lamborghinis to DSMs?


"There is no reason that someone can't have a really fast car and also have a Body Kit, Wheels, Altezza's, etc."

just out curiousity, whens the last time you seen a car with all these qualities?

"but what if you are a Performance and Show Car enthusiast"

is there such thing?

 

[Red Hot Eclipse]

First off i'm not comparing dsm's to exotics i'm just using an example how speed and comfort can mix. Secondly altezzas in no way affect speed. Understandably 20" chrome rims would affect your optimum speed but you can still have a fast car with such rims. Whether it exists or not up for debate. Lastly yes there are cars with body kits that are fast and i'm sure there are some members that own such a car.

 

[Neo Racer]

Originally posted by FourG63 97GST
^^^so you comparing Ferrari,BMW, and Lamborghinis to DSMs?


"There is no reason that someone can't have a really fast car and also have a Body Kit, Wheels, Altezza's, etc."

just out curiousity, whens the last time you seen a car with all these qualities?

"but what if you are a Performance and Show Car enthusiast"

is there such thing?

Well said.

I think some of these people in here watched Fast & Furious one too many times....

 

[sids]

DSM enthusiasts site


gee I don't see, DSM go faster looks be damned, anywhere in that phrase.

It is you how are sorely in needing of attention byt trying to inject what you consider performance in the NON-PERFORMANCE section of the forum, that is why such a forum exists, for us people who prioritize looks before going fast.

AND what is sowrong with not wanting to go faster than we already are? Turbo DSMs are fast from the factory, for me that is enough performanceand my needs.

as for the performance and show car enthusiat

please tell me that this car is not both a show car and a race car

IMG SRC="http://www.compass.com.ph/~sca/kubo.jpg"

if you are just concerned about going fast, there is the 2.0 turbo section which you can hang out

 

[dsmnate]

Originally posted by FourG63 97GST
[B"There is no reason that someone can't have a really fast car and also have a Body Kit, Wheels, Altezza's, etc."

just out curiousity, whens the last time you seen a car with all these qualities?
[/B]

Look around on this site and I am sure you will find a ton of cars that are both fast and have all of the above mentioned things. When I say fast I don't mean the "Fastest DSM out there" I mean fast as in 12-13 seconds. OK...couple examples:

Tom Saywer:

Hrm....looks to me like he has Altezza's, Body Kit, Wheels, Spoiler, and a fast car. Tom is just the first example that I thought of because he replied to this thread. There are many others on here with FAST cars as well as body kits, etc.

Another Example: http://www.onlineshowoff.com/index.asp?section=profile&username=pinoyturbo

"but what if you are a Performance and Show Car enthusiast"

is there such thing?

ABSOLUTLY!!! There are tons of show cars that are fast as hell. I am both a Performance and Show Car enthusiast myself. It just happens that unless you are filthy rich you have to take your car in stages to make it what you want it. It is a matter of funds and personal choice of what you want to do first. I fully intend my car to have at least a 20G turbo and all the supporting mods on it some day but I am choosing to do some exterior work before I get to the turbo upgrade. I personally like attending shows with my car but I am very much into the Performance side of things as well. Since I seem to attend more shows than I do races I chose to go with Cosmetic stuff this year and work on the performance stuff as soon as the cosmetic stuff is done and paid for. Do I personally like when I see an non-turbo that is turned into an all out show car? Not really I think it should be done with a turbo model but it was the person's choice and I am not going to rag on them for having a non-turbo.

 

[Neo Racer]

That's wierd...I've been to a considerable amount of shows and track events....Can't say I've seen a "show car" at the tracks, or a "race car" at the shows....odd. Maybe you live in some kind of fantasy world. Don't worry, when F&F2 comes out...your people will unite and rise once again.

 

[dsmnate]

Originally posted by Neo Racer
That's wierd...I've been to a considerable amount of shows and track events....Can't say I've seen a "show car" at the tracks, or a "race car" at the shows....odd. Maybe you live in some kind of fantasy world. Don't worry, when F&F2 comes out...your people will unite and rise once again.

I don't know what kinda shows you have been to but you obviously can't see. Because there are many shows where there are cars with huge performance power. At Import Eurasia in Wildwood last year there was a Supra there with over 800 HP.... Hrm... I guess that isn't performance in your book.

There is a difference between RACE car, SHOW car, and DAILY DRIVEN SHOW/PERFORMANCE car.

Yes all out show cars will probably never be at the track and all out race cars will probably not be at shows but there is a middle ground. You are appently to blind to see that though.

I am not worried about F&F 1 or 2. I didn't get any inspiration from the movie in fact it pissed me off how fake the cars were in that movie too.

Bottom line is you apparently have no liking for any modification besides to the engine so why are you in the Non-Performance Mods section of the site? You are one of the people who get online and trys to start #### with people and gets some kind of joy out of it. You just jumped on the bandwagon of everyone else yelling "Rice" to anything other than a performance mod. Does it make you feel big to put other people's opinions down? Just because you don't care for something doesn't mean that the world cares what you think. Sorry but your not that important to anyone, your just another name on a forum on the internet.

BTW... if you are such a performance guru why is it that all of your posts on this website have been in the HangOut and in this section?
You also never answered my quesion....what do you drive oh god of the rice police? Where are some pictures of your car?

Finally, I was reading a post about a valve cover and it seems you think dipping one in chrome is a good idea. Tell me how that helps your performance.