ALOT of white smoke, Brand new head/hg/etc etc..

[1993eclipseGS]

Yes, I searched. I searched for two days but do not have an ''exact'' answer as of yet.

About a month ago I changed my oil, And the oil filter. Right after that, It started to smoke out the exhaust (Whitish). I noticed the oil filter housing that the oil filter goes on, Was alittle loose, But I forgot to tighten it back down. Not long after, I found out I had 70psi comrpession in one cylinder, And a bad head.

The past 3 days, I have been installing all the NEW parts. I got a new head, Cometic MLS(3 layer) headgasket, ARP head studs, Etc etc.

I just tightened down the oil filter housing today, And it still smokes. Once I get into boost, It starts to smoke, And when I let off the gas, It smokes BAD.. I mean I go a block down from where I let off the gas, And I can see the big BIG cloud of the white smoke. I flushed the coolant system, But still did not get all the oil out. It is still a bit milky.

This car is a 2g, With a 6bolt (91') swap. Other then this BIG smoking problem, The car seems like it is running very well.

I am trying to find answers as to what could be causing the car to smoke, Even now after I got a brand new head, And head gasket? Could my Oil filter housing be messed up or something? It is the one where two coolant lines go into it (No oil cooler/lines).

I do not know what to do, And I cannot drive the car, It is very bad, And embarrasing the way it is smoking. At idle, It lets out a little smoke, Here and there.... Also sometimes when I rev it up too.

 

[andymoraitis]

If you had 70 psi compressionin one cylinder, didn't you check the bottom end and perform a wet test and leakdown to see if it was the rings? I don't see any mention of that in your post and was wondering why you wouldn't check for a possible ring seal issue.

Smoke on acceleration can be rings and deceleration usually points to valves or valve stem seals. Milky oil is likely the HG not sealing properly. Did you use copper spray on the gasket, check the block with a straightedge for warpage and ensure that you had a perfect mating surface? Metal gaskets require glass smooth surfaces to seal properly. Also, did you re-torque the ARP's after a heat cycle and what was your orinal torque spec? If you're blowing white, I'd bet on the new head and HG not sealing.

We need more info here.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

The old head was shaved too thin and finally ''blew apart'' from what the machine shop had told me. I am going to hopefully get a compression tester tomorrow or tuesday and check the compression again. The head that I put on had a smooth as glass finish on the bottom, And the block I cleaned very well.

My oil return line has a slight ''kink'' in it, With my new hx 35/40. I am also feedin the turbo from the oil filter housing, With no balance shafts.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Now I was told it was bluish from a friend that was behind me. Now that I think about it, This happened right after I put my turbo back on from when I took out a broken bolt. Now it's doing it with this one too. The return line is kinked pretty bad I think.. I was told that could be a big factor and also running this turbo from the oil filter housing with no balance shafts... Hopefully I can figure it out because other then the smoke when I hit higher boost, And let off, It seems to be running very good.

 

[playitlouddsm]

If it only smokes when you are boosting then that usually leads you to the oil seals in the turbo. Is this a new turbo?

 

[andymoraitis]

The old head was shaved too thin and finally ''blew apart'' from what the machine shop had told me. I am going to hopefully get a compression tester tomorrow or tuesday and check the compression again. The head that I put on had a smooth as glass finish on the bottom, And the block I cleaned very well.

My oil return line has a slight ''kink'' in it, With my new hx 35/40. I am also feedin the turbo from the oil filter housing, With no balance shafts.

You may want to get in touch with the guys at Bullseye and find out if you need a restrictor for the oil feed line if you're feeding directly from the filter housing. I know this is a no-no for a BB turbo, but I'm not sure if the Holset also has issues with it. At best, it could be turbo seals as playitloud mentioned. Either way, the kink could be the cause as it would create a pressure buildup that wouldn't allow the turbo to evacuate the oil quickly enough. I'd tackle that first and see if it does anything and still check compression like you planned to.

I'm crossing my fingers that it's the seals and not something in the motor.

 

[fwdeclipse]

When I first installed my 16g I did a hack job on the return line and it was also kinked.I had the exact same problem.It would smoke like a mother.Once I fixed the kink it was fine.I would try that first.

 

[drewbird91]

Just putting it out there, is your breather system set up right? You said there was a new head on there, is something wrong with the pcv valve (if you have one)? Mine was smoking after the rebuild and it was because my breather system was setup wrong.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

What do you mean, "set-up wrong" ? I put the pcv valve right back to the hose that goes back into the intake manifold. As for the crank case breather, I just have a hose running off of it, pointed out towards the ground. I had to make my own intake being the turbo has a 4" inlet, So it does not have any ports for any hoses.

I put on a different oil return line, And it was still smoking. I then took it on the interstate at higher speeds "Interstate speeds rather then city driving", Anyways, Once I finally got off the highway, I didn't see much smoke then.. The little piece that goes into the side cover to block the BS hole popped out so I hadto quick turn the car off in front of my house, And I just got that back in. I did not try again now to drive the car yet until tonite.

I am going to change my oil again, And also flush the coolant since it still looks some what like throw-up/stale milk. I guess I did not get out ALL of the oil that was in the system. Could this also cause my problem? There was a little puddle of oil in the intake , So I cleaned it out and once I put the new line on, There was still a little bit in there, Just not as much... Do you think this could be because the turbo is seeing too high of oil pressure, And pushing it out the seals? Being I have it fed from the oil filter housing, And no Balance shafts? I know the turbo is in good shape. I bought it from a very trustful older member, And it has NO shaftplay.

 

[fwdeclipse]

It could have also been when it was kinked and now you just have to work all the oil out of the turbo.When it happened to mine it took a little bit for it to quit smoking.

 

[TRBOBLU]

I would clean out your intercooler and the lower IC pipes. It just sound like you were blowing oil past your turbo seals do to the kinked line. Ive seen it a million times. More than likely your turbo is fine, Ive never seen one get damaged due to this. Im sure after the cleaning your car will not smoke anymore unless there is another problem too.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I have a fmic, I really would hate to take it off of the car. I am so fed up I almost think I'm going to part the car out. I have $13,853.25 into it since this winter that just past. It still does not work.

I have an oil leak that only happends when I boost, And It's coming from somewhere by the side cover, But it shoots all over the hood, And my rim, Under side of car and everything. Also, The little ''cap'' keeps popping out that blocks off my balance shaft in front of the timing belt tensioner.

EDIT: Also, Yesterday.. The crank case breather hose was blowing air out, And a little bit of smoke. I blocked it off with my finger, And the ENTIRE street filled with huge thick whitish smoke.

I drove the car earlier today up the road and it was ''ok'' with only a little bit of smoke out the exhaust, But then I really got on it and stopped, Got out and noticed oil pouring down the side cover/oil filter housing/oil pan/hood/inside of my rims etc etc.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Compression results:

passenger side to drivers side:

90 (110 with one cap of oil), 145, 144, 138-140.

Any suggestions? I'm guessing it needs piston rings? How much is a typical job like this? I am going to be listing all my brand new mods for sale within the next 10 minutes i'm sure. I spent over $13,000 on the car in less then a year, And it isn't running yet!

 

[andymoraitis]

Time to pull the bottom end and freshen up the rings.

Did you talk to Bullseye about pressure issues when feeding from the filter housing?

I noticed above that you bought this from an older member. I'm assuming this is Mark's turbo and if so, I know you bought a quality piece.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I really would hate to pull the motor just to put rings in it. I am sure this is a job that would cost over $1,000. I have over 13k into the car and I just bought it this past winter. I had not talked with bullseye-power, But I now know why the car was smoking, Due to the compression test results. Mark is a great guy, It is unfortunate to see what happen to his car.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Well, The plug popped out AGAIN and I lost it. This plus goes right in front, Above the timing belt tensioner on a balance shaft removed car. Now I have a massive oil leak. I really am getting sick of this car, And the sad thing is i'm one to post in every thread, Trying to sway people from selling their cars because they are sick of putting money into them.

 

[DSM007]

If you have the oil cooler/filter housing that circulates coolant through it like my car has.......a few have over tightened the filter and chrushed the housing that has multiple thin plates inside that divide oil and coolant,when the plates are crushed the oil and coolant mix,the overflow bottle boils over and generally the car acts just like it has a blown head gasket.....one thing to check since I noticed this incident happened shortly after an oil change.

 

[andymoraitis]

I can understand how you feel as these cars are bottomless pits when it comes to getting a return on your investment. If you need some help let me know since I went through this recently myself. It was frustrating, costly and painful, but worth it in the end. I really don't want to see you go in the same direction as Mark, but all of us have our financial and emotional limits.

Hang in there and drop me a line if you need a hand with anything.

Andy

 

[andymoraitis]

If you have the oil cooler/filter housing that circulates coolant through it like my car has.......a few have over tightened the filter and chrushed the housing that has multiple thin plates inside that divide oil and coolant,when the plates are crushed the oil and coolant mix,the overflow bottle boils over and generally the car acts just like it has a blown head gasket.....one thing to check since I noticed this incident happened shortly after an oil change.

That's a very good point. Either way, with low compression, it still needs a rebuild, but perhaps this is a step in the right direction when it comes to solving the immediate issue.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I have another 91 oil filter housing sitting right next to me also! As for the ''rebuild'', I heard that I could buy maybe just rings and drop the pan and pull the piston/rod and just pop new rings on? I personally honestly never went internally with engine builds. I just always bought all the bolt on's you could, without going internally ever. I never have had this problem before.

I am definatly one of the people that post in every thread someone says their getting rid of their cars in, So I am not like everyone else saying these are junk etc etc.. This car came a long way, And is right almost where I wanted it to be until this happen.

 

[andymoraitis]

You could try dropping them from the bottom and doing a re-ring, but you may want to give the cylinders a quick hone with a power drill just to clean off any mess inside as a result of blowby and for that you'll need to pull the head. This won't take off enough material to require overbored pistons and rings and is more of a simple cleaning.

When you drop the pan and pull the head, take some pictures so we can offer some feedback.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

See, It is horrible because I just got done putting this head on the car the past 4 days, Along with the turbo and everything else. I don't really know anything about honing or anything with blocks. I never did even a rebuild as I previously mentioned, None of my cars never needed anything in the actual bottom end. I don't even know where to get just the rings, Or how much they cost. I searced around on sbr but could not find just rings.

 

[bfdahl]

You can source piston rings from most parts supplyers. I would recomend seeking a parts place that is not like a Pep boys or AutoZone. I use a small independent one that supplies machine shops. Or go to a machine shop for help
the Hastings part number is #4933 if the bore is .20 over or .5 mm for 95 to 99 2.0.

I would recomend also to use Permatex #1 when installing the ballance shaft plugs, just put a small thin bead around the plug and knock it in, after that stuff dries it will never come out.

and do not plug the crank case vents! it will make the issues your having worse!

If you get through this you will have alot of love and pride for your ride

EDIT: it looks like you have a six bolt so my supplied part number is probably wrong^^^

 

[drewbird91]

What do you mean, "set-up wrong" ? I put the pcv valve right back to the hose that goes back into the intake manifold. As for the crank case breather, I just have a hose running off of it, pointed out towards the ground. I had to make my own intake being the turbo has a 4" inlet, So it does not have any ports for any hoses.

I'd suggest getting a rre style catch can and hook it up that way. Sorry it took so long for me to reply. I got one and that solved all my smoking problems. I previously had a tube coming off the valve cover going to the ground (with a fuel filter http://www.tgilmore.com/talon/catchcan.html) and then the intake manifold plugged off and the pcv t'd back into the valve cover line going to the ground.

Now I took out the pcv and have a tube coming off where the pcv was and from the valve cover, no nipple on the intake pipe still, and a plug on the intake manifold. Cleared up the smoking almost instantly. I'm running a gm-maft also.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

The car needs a piston ring being it is only 90psi in one cylinder. It is still FAST. I raced a 12second srt4 and beat him by 6cars. Nothing around here can keep up with the car. I am giving ALL my parts to my buddy for $1800 and his stock parts. He's getting a killing being I'm giving him over $4,000 in parts that are not even 3 weeks old.