99rs
15+ Year Contributor
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- Feb 4, 2004
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Mount Joy,
Pennsylvania
Found this on team-2g.com
The all motor primer. (It's all in here.)
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If there is one thing that bugs me, it's when DSMers jump on the "turbo is better" bandwagon and rip up anyone who says they want information about going all motor with their 2GNT. Even so, the more I think about it, it seems there are a lot of people out there who aren't aware of just how hard it is to even come close to approaching the speed and power of a turbo DSM without using any power adders. I figured I would lay it all out there for those people who wanted help in deciding which route they wanted to take.
THE BASICS.
All motor = 100% motor power. This means NO TURBO and NO NITROUS. Can you build a decent motor and spray to make some nice power? You bet your ass, you can, but just don't go bragging about how you're "all motor" because, if you spray, you're no longer relying on the motor for all your power. That's why nitrous is considered a "power adder."
THE COST.
The most valuable modification you can do to your car to make it faster is 100% free. It's called practice. Power is nothing without control and chances are, you'd be lucky to break into the 14s in a Dodge Viper if you'd never driven one before. The more trips you make to the track to nail that launch and trim your 60ft time, the better your mods will do you in the long run. In the mean time, I'll point you to my National DSM Registry (NDSMR) profile in my sig and tell you it's set me back more than $5,000. To put that into perspective for you, a basic bottom end rebuild with the forged bits to handle a lot of boost will run under $2,000 and you can get a brand new HRC Stage 2 turbosystem with the FMIC option for under $3,000. $5,000 translates into less than 200hp all motor or better than 300 with a turbo kit.
THE POINT.
If you want to be serious about pushing the limits of all motor tuning on a 2GNT platform, by all means, welcome to the club. We're glad to have you among us. If you thought the camraderie among DSMers was good, you should see the shenanigans we all motor nuts get ourselves into. Just keep this information in mind when you're shopping for parts. The most expensive or the flashiest brand names are not going to do you right. Remember, I've got over $5,000 into my engine and I'm running a $60 used header, a $30 eBay intake, and a $30 GST exhaust. Once you get into the engine (and you will have to get into the engine either way, if you want to make serious power), things get pricey. You have to be smart with your money when you go this route or it will eat you alive.
So, I know this is long, but I have a reputation for being long-winded, so kiss my ass. Take from this what you will. The way I see it, anyone can order a turbo kit from Bill Hahn, Jr. and run a 14 second quarter, but how many people can do that all motor? Right now, not a single, documented case. That's what I'm after. With the advent of the Megasquirt for the 2GNT platform and new ideas being introduced every day, I don't see why we shouldn't have all motor DSMs in the 14s, but it's not an easy path to follow.
I guess the point is this: The most important thing to remember about working on your DSM is that it's supposed to be fun. If you don't want to be the fastest, most powerful, stock displacement, all motor DSM in the country, then go ahead and spend $500 on that name brand header. Pick up the matching $500 cat back while you're at it. Just be sure to have as much fun as you can. This means be sure you keep your goals reasonable. If more than 200hp is something you HAVE TO have, then even I would suggest you research buying a ready-made turbosystem from HRC or piecing together your own, custom set up. Be sure you know WHAT makes you happy - the power and speed? Or the challenge of new territory.
I'd like to see how many people we can get to try this.
The all motor primer. (It's all in here.)
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If there is one thing that bugs me, it's when DSMers jump on the "turbo is better" bandwagon and rip up anyone who says they want information about going all motor with their 2GNT. Even so, the more I think about it, it seems there are a lot of people out there who aren't aware of just how hard it is to even come close to approaching the speed and power of a turbo DSM without using any power adders. I figured I would lay it all out there for those people who wanted help in deciding which route they wanted to take.
THE BASICS.
All motor = 100% motor power. This means NO TURBO and NO NITROUS. Can you build a decent motor and spray to make some nice power? You bet your ass, you can, but just don't go bragging about how you're "all motor" because, if you spray, you're no longer relying on the motor for all your power. That's why nitrous is considered a "power adder."
THE COST.
The most valuable modification you can do to your car to make it faster is 100% free. It's called practice. Power is nothing without control and chances are, you'd be lucky to break into the 14s in a Dodge Viper if you'd never driven one before. The more trips you make to the track to nail that launch and trim your 60ft time, the better your mods will do you in the long run. In the mean time, I'll point you to my National DSM Registry (NDSMR) profile in my sig and tell you it's set me back more than $5,000. To put that into perspective for you, a basic bottom end rebuild with the forged bits to handle a lot of boost will run under $2,000 and you can get a brand new HRC Stage 2 turbosystem with the FMIC option for under $3,000. $5,000 translates into less than 200hp all motor or better than 300 with a turbo kit.
THE POINT.
If you want to be serious about pushing the limits of all motor tuning on a 2GNT platform, by all means, welcome to the club. We're glad to have you among us. If you thought the camraderie among DSMers was good, you should see the shenanigans we all motor nuts get ourselves into. Just keep this information in mind when you're shopping for parts. The most expensive or the flashiest brand names are not going to do you right. Remember, I've got over $5,000 into my engine and I'm running a $60 used header, a $30 eBay intake, and a $30 GST exhaust. Once you get into the engine (and you will have to get into the engine either way, if you want to make serious power), things get pricey. You have to be smart with your money when you go this route or it will eat you alive.
So, I know this is long, but I have a reputation for being long-winded, so kiss my ass. Take from this what you will. The way I see it, anyone can order a turbo kit from Bill Hahn, Jr. and run a 14 second quarter, but how many people can do that all motor? Right now, not a single, documented case. That's what I'm after. With the advent of the Megasquirt for the 2GNT platform and new ideas being introduced every day, I don't see why we shouldn't have all motor DSMs in the 14s, but it's not an easy path to follow.
I guess the point is this: The most important thing to remember about working on your DSM is that it's supposed to be fun. If you don't want to be the fastest, most powerful, stock displacement, all motor DSM in the country, then go ahead and spend $500 on that name brand header. Pick up the matching $500 cat back while you're at it. Just be sure to have as much fun as you can. This means be sure you keep your goals reasonable. If more than 200hp is something you HAVE TO have, then even I would suggest you research buying a ready-made turbosystem from HRC or piecing together your own, custom set up. Be sure you know WHAT makes you happy - the power and speed? Or the challenge of new territory.
I'd like to see how many people we can get to try this.
lets not hate on each other but help one another. I seen alot of post about fuel upgrades, high com. ratio pistons and rods but no one mentioned that are heads suck. Have you ever looked at the intake and exhaust ports? There is room for major improvement. Going the N/A root or turboed you well need to port and polish and cams at least. I think you could gain 30 hp from head work alone. That's my 2 cents.
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