advice for strong street drag car

[6bolt2gdsm]

I have a 91 eagle talon tsi, I done a jdm cyclone motor swap to it and it runs good but its still all stock except for the blow off valve. Oh and tranny took a crap on me but i have a spare. I want to make it driveable on the street but still pull a pretty quick 1/4 time. Im lookin to get atleast 500whp out of it maybe more depending on funds at the time. Should i take my time and build the jdm motor or put money into an already built motor by slowboy??? Another question is that i have heard a few things about slowboy ripping some people off, is that just someone that doesnt know what they are talking about or should i be careful when dealing with slowboy???

 

[AshTsi]

Im lookin to get atleast 500whp out of it maybe more depending on funds at the time.

500WHP is not something you just get. It takes a LOT of money, time and knowledge. As far as driveable on the street is concerned, it really comes down to the driver and other things to think about with that much Hp is what type of clutch your going to have to have to handle it and how thats going to effect driving it and what type of driving you do.

Another question is that i have heard a few things about slowboy ripping some people off

I bought a set of wiseco stroker pistons off of SBRJoe from slowboy with no problem. In fact it was really easy, i had no problems fast shipping and everything he was really helpful. I dont know why Slowboy would be ripping people off or even want to with a reputation to keep up. I wouldn't mind those silly people bashing them, it's probably nonsense...

If i were you i would shoot low then work your way up, ya know climb the ladder. i noticed in your mods list you have a t3.t4 mani? do you have a turbo to go with it? Have you thought about make going with a big 16g or e16g? Make a quick reliable car that you can build up on. 500whp is a big goal starting from scratch. Plus there are people making 300+ with the 16g, and from the sounds of it money is an issue.. Something to ponder.. just my .02

 

[coryd]

for 500whp build a 6bolt with some eagle rods and forged pistons, a set a cams, and a nice turbo plus the supporting mods of coarse. There are alot more places to have your motor built other then slowboy, just search. I personally wouldnt have them build my motor.

 

[coryd]

I bought a set of wiseco stroker pistons off of SBRJoe from slowboy with no problem. In fact it was really easy, i had no problems fast shipping and everything he was really helpful. I dont know why Slowboy would be ripping people off or even want to with a reputation to keep up. I wouldn't mind those silly people bashing them, it's probably nonsense... just my .02

I used to order from them all the time. After awhile every time i ordered from them it took a month to send it out. I called up eric at jnztuning.com or chris at maperformance.com and have never looked back.

 

[6bolt2gdsm]

I understand that it takes alot of knowledge as well as cash to build a strong motor capable of 500hp. I go to college for auto tech and have worked on cars since i about 14. Im not saying I know all there is to know im just saying that i know ### it takes. Thanks for the replies by the way. So i should build my own motor. My next question is about the parts, like the clutch. What would you suggest for that. Also I want a good reliable turbo setup thats spools rather quick. As for the type of driving, it wont be a daily driver by far, mostly just on weekends and most of the time not very far, i wanna be able to drive it to the track rather than it being a trailer queen i think that is more respectable.

 

[6bolt2gdsm]

The mods list is for my 96 tsi not for my first gen. The first gen is all factory except for the blow off valve. The 96 i hoping to be a daily driver for a while i already somewhat built a motor for it but its fwd and i thought that my awd would be better for a drag car. And money is not so much an issue, i have money in the bank i just like to leave it there as long as i can so it keeps growing i guess you could call me a tight wad

 

[Locke]

The only thing spoon-feeding ever taught anyone is the shape of the spoon.

 

[coryd]

honest I have the exact same goal as you do with my 1g awd. Im and obsesive parts buyer , i have alot of parts that arnt "needed" but i got a deal on them. If theres a deal on a part ill buy it. heres what my set-up is, i did alot of research on this over the past year or so.

Eagle rods
arias pistons
PnP head
BC springs and retainers
BC 280 cams
BC 1mm oversized valves
revised lifters
JMF intake manifold
FFtec modified bbk 3" tb
Garret GT3582R
AEM EMS
Quartermaster twin disk clutch
rebuilt tranny

 

[AshTsi]

The only thing spoon-feeding ever taught anyone is the shape of the spoon.

+1 ~ And what noise an Air Plain makes =P

 

[6bolt2gdsm]

honest I have the exact same goal as you do with my 1g awd. Im and obsesive parts buyer , i have alot of parts that arnt "needed" but i got a deal on them. If theres a deal on a part ill buy it. heres what my set-up is, i did alot of research on this over the past year or so.

Eagle rods
arias pistons
PnP head
BC springs and retainers
BC 280 cams
BC 1mm oversized valves
revised lifters
JMF intake manifold
FFtec modified bbk 3" tb
Garret GT3582R
AEM EMS
Quartermaster twin disk clutch
rebuilt tranny

Yea so we are on the same page here, if its a good deal on a part whether i need it or not ill get it . Looks like you have a pretty good setup, where did you get your tranny rebuilt?

 

[6bolt2gdsm]

The only thing spoon-feeding ever taught anyone is the shape of the spoon.

Dude ### is that suppose to mean like i previously said in a statement above. "Im not saying i know all there is to know, im just saying i know ### it takes" I wasnt spoon fed shit i learned everything i know by experience, you know by doing it so come on i come here for a little bit of advice but wtf man

 

[AshTsi]

Dude ### is that suppose to mean like i previously said in a statement above. "Im not saying i know all there is to know, im just saying i know ### it takes" I wasnt spoon fed shit i learned everything i know by experience, you know by doing it so come on i come here for a little bit of advice but wtf man

Bud, i think your taking it the wrong way. The search button is your friend is all i think he was getting at. No one has a standard setup for a 500whp engine. Find out what other people have done then find out what suits you. There are a million different routes you can take to get to 500whp, you could go 2.0, 2.1, etc.. then go from there, what do people do with ## setup to get ## goals.

All of this is brought to you by the search button =)

 

[6bolt2gdsm]

Bud, i think your taking it the wrong way. The search button is your friend is all i think he was getting at. No one has a standard setup for a 500whp engine. Find out what other people have done then find out what suits you. All of this is brought to you by the search button =)

Yea i kno this, and i have used the search button , which i think it says before your reply not to use "Use the Search" replies. Dont get me wrong but isnt this site for advice or help with problems, im just lookin for advice or good recomendations on parts or pros and cons about parts that ppl have used and had good or bad experiences with. If im not being clear enough on any of my previous statements let me kno

 

[Locke]

You're questions are broad and subjective. I'm not trying to be an ass.

For your clutch question, I highly recommend South Bend Clutch - High Performance DXD Racing Clutches, but they are down the road from me. They have never let me down, and I've used them in some gnarly vehicles in the past. I've no experience with Centerforce or ACT, which seem to be much more popular with the 4g63 crowd for whatever reason.

I can't help you with the turbo question.

You'll get very precise answers if you ask concise, specific, and objective questions.

 

[snowborder714]

Why not just take a look at the nice list of cars and associated hp/torque numbers? This way, you can see what other people are running and what their setups are putting down.

DSM Dyno Sheets Database

 

[Thor06]

The best advice I can think of giving is to start small. I'd work it up in steps, shoot for something like 300whp while you learn to tune, work on, and fix these cars. Locke is right, wrench time on a car is invaluable regardless of power goal and it would be aweful to make a noob mistake with a 500+whp capable and much more expensive part than if you were just working on a pretty low cost and power car. For example, when I changed my head gasket I made two major mistakes: A) I took the timing belt sprocket off at the crank and B) didnt realize the big washer on the back of the sprocket came off with it. The washer didnt get back on and the sprocket walked out letting the T-belt jump and costing me another $80 or whatever for some valves. Now how bad would that have sucked if I had a $300+ set of Ferrea Competition valves? After you learn the ropes a bit and make your first goal, then you can shoot for a bit more, say 400whp and so on. Also, you'd be suprised what a 500+ whp car is really like driving... you might get to say 340 whp and decide thats plenty good.

 

[dsmulla]

Isn't there an upgrade path on dsmtuners???????????

hmmmmmm...................Tech Guide: 2G Drag Setup - DSMtuners

 

[AshTsi]

^^^ Good point! He has a 1G though so here ya go...

Tech Guide: 1G Drag Setup - DSMtuners

 

[6bolt2gdsm]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I have plenty friends with dsm's in my area that are tryin to accomplish a similar goal as I am, but none of them really put out the cash to do things the right way. They like doing things the cheapest and easiest way and usually end up setting along the road somewhere. They like ebay a little too much. So i question some of their advice, but all and all you guys have been pretty good help and i greatly appreciate it. Thanks again guys. Ill do some good research on parts before i choose the right setup. Im in no hurry, I like to take my time and do things right.