Adding 111 leaded gas from sunoco 2011

[turbogentwo]

Since gas prices are rising and race gas is mostly what we want to fill our tanks with, what problems would I run into running 111 all the time? Gas mixtures have changed so the relevance of prior threads is irrelevant today!

 

[tenn-gsx]

Leaded gas kills o2 sensors rather quickly is the main one that comes to mind for me.

 

[donniekak]

Pump e85 makes everything except the ultra premium race fuels irrelevant.

 

[turbogentwo]

Leaded gas kills o2 sensors rather quickly is the main one that comes to mind for me.

If it were unleaded $103

 

[99gst_racer]

You'll need to change your O2 sensor every 12-18 months. And that's about it. As long as you don't run a catalytic converter, there's no other downside to leaded fuel in our cars.

I've been running nothing but leaded Sunoco in my Eclipse for over 5 years now, and I have nothing but good things to say about it. It smells wonderful too. And I don't have to worry about crappy fuel economy or an expensive, over-built fuel system like E85 users do. I made 600WHP on whimpy 1200cc injectors and a -6 feed, and I averaged 27 MPG driving to the Shootout in '09.

Back when I started running leaded fuel, I was only paying $3.84/gal (pump gas was over $3 back then too). I wish it was still that cheap. Another benefit is that it's always a consistant blend. It doesn't change from batch to batch or with the seasons like E85 does, so you can tune once and been done with it. It's also safer for tuning on the ragged edge.

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

I've been running nothing but leaded Sunoco in my Eclipse for over 5 years now, and I have nothing but good things to say about it. It smells wonderful too. And I don't have to worry about crappy fuel economy or an expensive, over-built fuel system like E85 users do. I made 600WHP on whimpy 1200cc injectors and a -6 feed, and I averaged 27 MPG driving to the Shootout in '09.

Back when I started running leaded fuel, I was only paying $3.84/gal (pump gas was over $3 back then too). I wish it was still that cheap. Another benefit is that it's always a consistant blend. It doesn't change from batch to batch or with the seasons like E85 doesn, so you can tune once and been done with it. It's also safer for tuning on the ragged edge.

I know what you mean Paul. I started running it about that time too. I don't know what I like more... The real benifits you get from running it, or the satisfaction the smell creates.

27mpg is pretty darn impressive on that setup.

But yeah, I wish we could go back in time of course. It's a sick thought to think that just a few years ago we were getting it for just about what we're paying for crap 87 now.

 

[turbogentwo]

You'll need to change your O2 sensor every 12-18 months. And that's about it. As long as you don't run a catalytic converter, there's no other downside to leaded fuel in our cars.

I've been running nothing but leaded Sunoco in my Eclipse for over 5 years now, and I have nothing but good things to say about it. It smells wonderful too. And I don't have to worry about crappy fuel economy or an expensive, over-built fuel system like E85 users do. I made 600WHP on whimpy 1200cc injectors and a -6 feed, and I averaged 27 MPG driving to the Shootout in '09.

Back when I started running leaded fuel, I was only paying $3.84/gal (pump gas was over $3 back then too). I wish it was still that cheap. Another benefit is that it's always a consistant blend. It doesn't change from batch to batch or with the seasons like E85 doesn, so you can tune once and been done with it. It's also safer for tuning on the ragged edge.

Which Sunoco grade is that?

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

Which Sunoco grade is that?

The purple colored 110 is what I'm talking about. It's also badged as CAM2 in some places. They also make a blue colored 112 which is very comparable for a slightly higher price.

 

[turbogentwo]

The purple colored 110 is what I'm talking about. It's also badged as CAM2 in some places. They also make a blue colored 112 which is very comparable for a slightly higher price.

Do you use it straight or mix it with 93 or lower grade gas?

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

Do you use it straight or mix it with 93 or lower grade gas?

I run it straight.

 

[snowborder714]

One problem you might run into is trying to find it if you take a trip somewhere. We used to have higher grade Sunoco gases in stations around me, but in the past few years they've been yanking it all.

 

[99gst_racer]

Which Sunoco grade is that?

I run the purple 110 octane. I've also ran the Sunoco 110 Red Lightning back in the day, but we quit carrying it for some reason. It was almost an indentical blend to the purple though. I've also ran Turbo Blue 110 octane alot. It's also comprarable to the Red Lightning.

I've always ran it straight.

One problem you might run into is trying to find it if you take a trip somewhere. We used to have higher grade Sunoco gases in stations around me, but in the past few years they've been yanking it all.

Very true. When I drove mine to the SO, I also loaded six 5-gallon jugs of race gas in the bed of Dan's truck. Turned out that I didn't even need half that much, but over planning sure beats under planning. I usually stay within 300 miles of home with my Eclipse, so I rarely need to plan to bring fuel. But it sure would be nice if it were still commonplace at the pump.

 

[turbogentwo]

I run the purple 110 octane. I've also ran the Sunoco 110 Red Lightning back in the day, but we quit carrying it for some reason. It was almost an indentical blend to the purple though. I've also ran Turbo Blue 110 octane alot. It's also comprarable to the Red Lightning.

I've always ran it straight.

Have you ran a mix of a lower grade fuel?

 

[99gst_racer]

I've never mixed any fuel and the race fuels that I mentioned are the only once I've ever ran.

 

[chrisarm]

will running leaded race fuel ruin my wideband...im sorry for my dumb question

 

[turbogentwo]

I've never mixed any fuel and the race fuels that I mentioned are the only once I've ever ran.

Have you ever tried meth w/ 93 or 87?

 

[99gst_racer]

Have you ever tried meth w/ 93 or 87?

Not at my current HP levels. I'm currently running race gas + meth. Something tells me that pump gas probably wouldn't suffice at 47 PSI boost.

I did run out of fuel once when running errands on my lunch break. I pushed the car to the gas station and threw in 2 gallons of premium (93 octane) just to get me home. And I couldn't run any more than 28 PSI without gobs of knock. Granted the car was tuned for race gas, but I'm sure it wouldn't do a whole lot better even it it were tuned richer for pump gas.

 

[turbogentwo]

Not at my current HP levels. I'm currently running race gas + meth. Something tells me that pump gas probably wouldn't suffice at 47 PSI boost.

I did run out of fuel once when running errands on my lunch break. I pushed the car to the gas station and threw in 2 gallons of premium (93 octane) just to get me home. And I couldn't run any more than 28 PSI without gobs of knock. Granted the car was tuned for race gas, but I'm sure it wouldn't do a whole lot better even it it were tuned richer for pump gas.

I hear you. I hate the knock that 93 gives on a slight aggressive map but it gets a bit expensive to run 111 all day!

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

will running leaded race fuel ruin my wideband...im sorry for my dumb question

See the quote below from 99gst_racer from post #5 in this thread. It pretty much sums it up as far as what to expect out of a sensor when running leaded fuel.

You'll need to change your O2 sensor every 12-18 months. And that's about it. As long as you don't run a catalytic converter, there's no other downside to leaded fuel in our cars.

 

[99gst_racer]

I hear you. I hate the knock that 93 gives on a slight aggressive map but it gets a bit expensive to run 111 all day!

I don't drive my car alot (roughly 2000 miles per year), so I probably only burn through about 80-100 gallons per year. I definitely couldn't afford to drive it daily on 110.

will running leaded race fuel ruin my wideband...im sorry for my dumb question

I did notice that the narrowband sensors seem to handle the lead better than wideband sensors. They usually last a wee bit longer than WBO sensors. But I do replace my wideband sensor every year or so as well.

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

I don't drive my car alot (roughly 2000 miles per year), so I probably only burn through about 80-100 gallons per year. I definitely couldn't afford to drive it daily on 110.

I hear ya. I put 2k miles max a year on mine too. A dd on race gas is just too much $

 

[turbogentwo]

I hear ya. I put 2k miles max a year on mine too. A dd on race gas is just too much $

So the alternative is to not drive

 

[99gst_racer]

So the alternative is to not drive

You can drive your car on race gas a much as you can afford to. It's an expensive hobby - especially when doing things properly. I can tell you that my limited mileage is mostly due to Michigan weather/seasons and the fact that the car is "down for upgrades" quite often. That, and I have a different 2G for pump gas daily driving.

 

[donniekak]

So the alternative is to not drive

This is the appeal of e85. Anything under about 600 hp doesn't require a ridiculous fuel system, and $3.00 a gallon is very attractive if you want to actually drive the car.

Now, for a ragged edge tuned race/weekend car, the higher end race fuels, and e98 are better options. But, as long as e85 is available, it's in all of my daily/semi daily drive turbo cars.

 

[turbogentwo]

You can drive your car on race gas a much as you can afford to. It's an expensive hobby - especially when doing things properly. I can tell you that my limited mileage is mostly due to Michigan weather/seasons and the fact that the car is "down for upgrades" quite often. That, and I have a different 2G for pump gas daily driving.

Yeah my toy has become my dd since my dd wasn't up to par and I forced it now I need a HG .