A newbies planned setup ; comments?

[andakanda]

Hi

1997 GSX , automatic-tranny

My plan for this car is to have around 280-300HP crank. Give or take a few.

100% stock except for a Greddy pop-off valve

I have done the necessary maintenance EXCEPT head-gasket and upping the auto-tranny , but will do that before i install new items

Also i have a good amount of money saved up so i will be buying these things consecutively , i just need to confirm everything first.


Im going to take this step by step as im a newbie , so feel free to comment on each section

Already installed components ;

Gates alternator belt kit

Greddy pop-off valve that came with the car

K&N air filter bought from extremepsi EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - K&N Replacement Air Filter : Mitsubishi Eclipse 95-99

Should i change that air-filter with the bigger badder version called K&N FIPK 2gen ? Thats the one where u change the whole air-filter system so to speak



1 : Several people say the first thing is to buy a new exhaust, im looking at this ;

Apexi GT Cat-back Exhaust

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Apexi GT Cat-back Exhaust : Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 95-99 Turbo

With that i would also need a downpipe yes?

So extremepsi's recommandation is the Apexi GT Downpipe

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Apexi GT Downpipe : Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 95-99 Turbo

And third here i would need a new manifold? Here i am blank so any tip here would be welcomed.

I found two @ extremepsi here :

200$ : EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - 2G Exhaust Manifold : Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99

900$ : EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - AMS Performance VSR Intake Manifold: Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99


Do i really need that expensive one or can i coap with the cheaper one. Are there any good alternatives on the web that you can recommend?


2 : Other mods wich im going to buy as a total package and install accordingly


Walbro 255 Fuel pump kit

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Walbro 255 HP with Install Kit: Mitsubishi Eclipse 95-99 Turbo


FIC 550cc Ball-Style Injectors

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - FIC 550cc Ball-Style Injectors : Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99 Turbo ( Any comments on these, will they hold or should i go for 650cc ? Any other brand to recommend? )

ARP Head Studs : EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - ARP Head Studs: Mitsubishi Eclipse 92-99 7 Bolt

THE STUDS ARE FOR 7 BOLT ENGINE! DO I HAVE 6 OR 7 BOLT? HOW CAN I CHECK THIS ? ( Yes im a rookie )

Apexi Air Flow Controller EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Apexi AFC Neo

I see that its out of stock but i can always get that some other place

Big16G Turbo : EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Mitsubishi TD05H "Big" 16G


Intercooler Kit : Here i have several options, wich one do you recommend for my tuning-level?

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Extreme Turbo Systems 10.5" Race Intercooler Kit (650HP): 2G DSM 800$

Or can i go with something abit cheaper like

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Extreme Turbo Systems 7" Street Intercooler Kit (450HP): 2G DSM 700$

Or can i even go with the cheapest one? I only want to do this once so if its a matter of quality and risking it breaking i'd rather buy the one 100-200 $ more expensive

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - GReddy Intercooler Kit Type 24V: Mitsubishi Eclipse 95-99 (XL) *OVERSTOCK SALE*


It sais 24V in the name " GReddy Intercooler Kit Type 24V ". I only have 16V engine right? Can i use that kit?


Fuellab AFPR Fuelab AFPR for the Mitsubishi Eclipse - DSMtuners.com

I have a local shop who is actually Norways best tuning shop, won several awards etc so a good tune there after the parts have been installed will do the trick



Im aware that i should buy some gauges , these should be :

- Oil Pressure Gauge
- Boost Gauge
- Wideband A/F gauge



These are the things i've planned to buy, do i need something else in addition to these?
Please feel free to comment and if you have the time, write us a thorough answer , im all ears and eager to learn

-andy

 

[beachbum2185]

thats a lot of money to shoot for only 300 crank hp. stock intake and exhaust manifold would work just fine. but an intercooler built for 650 hp but your shooting for half that? you could maybe get by on a side mount for 300. a stock AT/MT will hold 300 hp

and you have a 7 bolt.

why does it say "proven member" under your name if youre a "rookie"?

 

[andakanda]

Proven member is adjusted after how many posts you have posted on the forum ( dont trust me )


Well but if i want to go crazy in the future , theres no downside to buying the FMIC from greddy then? The 600$ one

And also ; i want it to be SAFE I hate doing things twice and want to prevent things from breaking, rather spend a little extra money to keep things stable

 

[Detective Coating]

Hi

1997 GSX , automatic-tranny

My plan for this car is to have around 280-300HP crank. Give or take a few.

100% stock except for a Greddy pop-off valve

I have done the necessary maintenance EXCEPT head-gasket and upping the auto-tranny , but will do that before i install new items

Also i have a good amount of money saved up so i will be buying these things consecutively , i just need to confirm everything first.


Im going to take this step by step as im a newbie , so feel free to comment on each section

Already installed components ;

Gates alternator belt kit

Greddy pop-off valve that came with the car

K&N air filter bought from extremepsi EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - K&N Replacement Air Filter : Mitsubishi Eclipse 95-99

Should i change that air-filter with the bigger badder version called K&N FIPK 2gen ? Thats the one where u change the whole air-filter system so to speak

All good so far buying authentic parts

1 : Several people say the first thing is to buy a new exhaust, im looking at this ;

Apexi GT Cat-back Exhaust

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Apexi GT Cat-back Exhaust : Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 95-99 Turbo

With that i would also need a downpipe yes?

So extremepsi's recommandation is the Apexi GT Downpipe

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Apexi GT Downpipe : Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 95-99 Turbo

Exhaust or boost controller is normally the first thing people do. That exhaust is fine along with that downpipe, you can get away cheaper. I personally run a cheap ebay exhaust. In my opinion, piping is piping when comparing the sizes, different materials it is made out of and the brand name is what you pay for.

And third here i would need a new manifold? Here i am blank so any tip here would be welcomed.

I found two @ extremepsi here :

200$ : EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - 2G Exhaust Manifold : Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99

900$ : EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - AMS Performance VSR Intake Manifold: Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99


Do i really need that expensive one or can i coap with the cheaper one. Are there any good alternatives on the web that you can recommend?

The AMS VSR is the intake manifold, not an exhaust manifold. Both your stock exhaust and intake manifold are fine to get you where you want to be, I would just port your stock exhaust manifold and save the money.

2 : Other mods wich im going to buy as a total package and install accordingly


Walbro 255 Fuel pump kit

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Walbro 255 HP with Install Kit: Mitsubishi Eclipse 95-99 Turbo


FIC 550cc Ball-Style Injectors

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - FIC 550cc Ball-Style Injectors : Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99 Turbo ( Any comments on these, will they hold or should i go for 650cc ? Any other brand to recommend? )

The fuel pump kit is fine for you but as for the injectors it really depends on what you are going to tune with. If you are going to tune with an SAFC, don't go any larger than 650cc but if you are buying ECMLink you have many options

ARP Head Studs : EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - ARP Head Studs: Mitsubishi Eclipse 92-99 7 Bolt

THE STUDS ARE FOR 7 BOLT ENGINE! DO I HAVE 6 OR 7 BOLT? HOW CAN I CHECK THIS ? ( Yes im a rookie )

You have a 7 bolt. You probably won't need these but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt.

Apexi Air Flow Controller

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Apexi AFC Neo

I see that its out of stock but i can always get that some other place

I'd recommend ECMLink V3 over this. Saves you money buying it later and is much easier to use.

Big16G Turbo : EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Mitsubishi TD05H "Big" 16G

Solid turbo that can make good power, very common upgrade from stock.

Intercooler Kit : Here i have several options, wich one do you recommend for my tuning-level?

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Extreme Turbo Systems 10.5" Race Intercooler Kit (650HP): 2G DSM 800$

Or can i go with something abit cheaper like

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Extreme Turbo Systems 7" Street Intercooler Kit (450HP): 2G DSM 700$

Or can i even go with the cheapest one? I only want to do this once so if its a matter of quality and risking it breaking i'd rather buy the one 100-200 $ more expensive

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - GReddy Intercooler Kit Type 24V: Mitsubishi Eclipse 95-99 (XL) *OVERSTOCK SALE*


It sais 24V in the name " GReddy Intercooler Kit Type 24V ". I only have 16V engine right? Can i use that kit?

For your power goals an SSAC intercooler will be plenty fine which is only $300 for the entire kit. 24v stands for how many rows of fins are in the intercooler IIRC. It has nothing to do with your engine.

Fuellab AFPR Fuelab AFPR for the Mitsubishi Eclipse - DSMtuners.com

You will need one of these with the Walbro 255

I have a local shop who is actually Norways best tuning shop, won several awards etc so a good tune there after the parts have been installed will do the trick



Im aware that i should buy some gauges , these should be :

- Oil Pressure Gauge
- Boost Gauge
- Wideband A/F gauge



These are the things i've planned to buy, do i need something else in addition to these?
Please feel free to comment and if you have the time, write us a thorough answer , im all ears and eager to learn

-andy

You will also need the install kit for the 16g turbo and miscellaneous fittings and lines to do everything you need.

 

[beachbum2185]

a buddy of mine ran a xs-power fmic complete kit shipped to his door for $300. its still good for around 600hp. really with an intercooler youre just paying for the name. hell i even run an ebay exhaust on my 99 spyder N/A and it sounds good.

you can get an exhaust manifold from HAFE that has a flange for a wastegate that you can have drilled or leave it as is...it can be bought for maybe $150 new stock intake manifold would be perfectly fine to hit your goal. also for your NEO you could run a MAF-T setup. it will allow you more hp if you decided to go that route.

i have a 95 TSi which im working on now. i have MAYBE $600 in parts which are worth about $1400. i just shopped around for good deals.

 

[andakanda]

Great answer, thank you so much !

Maybe a little dumb .... but anyway ; one major reason why i want a FMIC also is because i think it looks really cool , and if it doesnt hurt either with the rest of the setup i think i will go for something in that direction

 

[beachbum2185]

good post 19tsi95awd! youre absolutely right...piping is piping. i completely forgot about the 16g install kit. i think the oil kit is like $40 and the j-pipe can be had on ebay as well. i'd say anything with exhaust and piping and such, can be bought dirt cheap on ebay.

19tsi95awd is right....if you buy the neo NEW, youre better off just going full ecmlinkv3.

XS Power Inc. has them for $300 shipped to your door. really nice setup.

 

[bluestreak9999]

300 crank hp will be a breeze on this car. I assume you have replaced the timing belt. That is one of the first maintenance items you want to do especially if you are over 75000 miles. These cars are notorious for breaking timing belts.
The K&N FIPK 2gen is a really nice setup and I would recommend it if you have the funds.
The exhaust is one of the first bolt on mods you want to look at as the stock exhaust is very restrictive.
With the power you are looking at you won't need anything bigger than a 2.5" downpipe. I wouldn't waste money on a name brand catback system. You can have any good muffler shop build you a 3" catback for under $100. The stock 2g exhaust manifold is plenty good enough for your power goals. I would recommend porting the manifold outlet to match the inlet of the turbo that you use.
An Evo 3 16g is one of the best bang for your buck street turbos on the market and would be a perfect match for those 550 injectors.
A 97 gsx would have a 7 bolt engine.
No need to buy an expensive Greddy intercooler. Shop around for a bar and plate design on ebay. You can get them all day long for under $200. If you have tons of money to blow then by all means buy the name brand stuff but some of it is a waste. That being said, make sure to buy your turbo from a reputable company. Lots of people selling junk turbos out there.
You wont need an adjustable FPR for your setup. You will be able to tune enough with the Apexi AFC. A boost gauge (get a good one, Autometer) and manual boost controller (get a good one, Hallman makes a good one for around $70) are a must and a wideband (aem around $200)will make tuning a breeze.
This should have you pretty well set up.

 

[andakanda]

good post 19tsi95awd! youre absolutely right...piping is piping. i completely forgot about the 16g install kit. i think the oil kit is like $40 and the j-pipe can be had on ebay as well. i'd say anything with exhaust and piping and such, can be bought dirt cheap on ebay.

19tsi95awd is right....if you buy the neo NEW, youre better off just going full ecmlinkv3.

XS Power Inc. has them for $300 shipped to your door. really nice setup.

Cool, that was nice-price aswell , 365$ included shipping to Norway


And this FMIC can be trusted and will hold for around 300hp? If so im going for it =) Will have to email them before though, there are some difference with the piping between manual and automatic transmission right?

Atleast that was the case with one intercooler kit i checked out. cant remember wich though..


And yes , i have replaced the timing belt, alternator belt, waterpump..the whole package

 

[beachbum2185]

might wanna double check if there are any diffs between MT/AT's. i dont believe it matters. yeah my buddy was running about 580hp with that intercooler. it was a beast. really nice intercooler for the price. sry, didnt realize the shipping was gonna be more for ya.

 

[andakanda]

might wanna double check if there are any diffs between MT/AT's. i dont believe it matters. yeah my buddy was running about 580hp with that intercooler. it was a beast. really nice intercooler for the price. sry, didnt realize the shipping was gonna be more for ya.

65$ for shipping is nothing mate , . Mach V Motorsports - High Performance Car Parts wanted to charge me 701$ for shipping the upper door trim to my front door.
Jnz did the same for 60$ , so im checking all possible angles here


I also see that XSpower sells Turbo packages

DSM 1g, 2g EVO 4G63 SUPER BIG 16G EVO III TURBO KIT Mitsubishi Turbo Kits, XS Power Inc.

This includes the 16gbig turbo and a manifold, so thats a pretty good deal is it not? Compared to the things i looked up this is alot cheaper

 

[beachbum2185]

as far as turbos, i'd rather get one from extremepsi.com. when buying something that important to your performance and with moving parts, i'd rather pay extra amount and get a good product. nothing against xspower's turbos, but i don't know much about them or the quality of their turbos.

also, replacing all your gaskets would be a good idea as well. i replaced all the gaskets in the head (minus the head gasket) on my 6 bolt, as the bottom end gaskets were still good.

 

[juanpac0]

used 14b, manual boost controller, exhaust, 550's, SAFC or chip. bam.

 

[beachbum2185]

14b isnt a bad turbo for what you can find them for as far as price goes. 14b would be close to max performance at 300 hp. why not go 16g and have room for a few more hp if he decides to mod a little more?

 

[dsm-onster]

14b compressor flows 34lbs/min. There's plenty in it for 300 CRANK horsepwer which the OP wants now. There's enough in it for a solid number over 300 WHEEL horsepower. He can upgrade the turbine housing to a used 16g turbine housing (bolts right on) and make the thing perform just like the 16g turbos up to choke WRT flow per psi. I literally just bought a 14b with inn the week for $100 with zero blade damage, zero shaft play, and doesn't smoke. And I bought a good used 7cm^2 turbine housing for $50 last year from a blown 16g. That's totals half of what a used 16g would cost.

Put the other $150 into a good logger like EvoScan software & cable. Of which no one at all mentioned, but you can not expect to upgrade fuel and/or raise the boost even with out a good logger to understand whats going on. It's like driving to the post office blind. Sure the route may even be burned into your head, but since when do perameters outside yourself stay the same.

As well, if you're dead set on a 16g, I'd get the small 16g or evo3 16g. The small 16g is more efficient than the regular big 16g up to 36lb/min (close to 350whp), and chokes at 38lb/min. The regular big 16g starts to finally be more efficient at 36-38lb/min then chokes at 40lb/min. But the evo3 16g is more efficient than the big 16g from 36lb/min to 40lb/min than the big 16g. So there's no place for the big 16g any more . small 16g as far more efficient up to 36lb/min. And flows only 2lb/min less. After that the evo3 16g is far more efficient from 36-40lb/min. And flows 2lb/min more. The small 16g has a newer tech wheel than the big 16g (came out AFTER the big 16g). And the evo3 16g, of course, has a newer tech wheel as well, since it is the replacement turbo to the evo 1-2 16g; which is what the big 16g is afterall.

You have a 1997, so you can directly swap in the reflashable 1998-1999 ecus. Serious plus for a good affordable way to tune for larger injectors. If you're going to go big later, don't even look at 550s or even 650s. The 14b can push 550s to their limit. and the evo3 16g can push the 650s to their limit. With a reflashable ecu, like the 1998-1999 or like ecmlink, you can have 750s-1450s idle and perform like stock at tip in and light flows. You won't even know they are that large until you look at your percent injector duty cycle.

Alot of 2g cars have had the 7bolt swapped out of it already. I've done my part with 3 of them . How to quickly tell a 6bolt from a 7bolt.

 

[boss178]

Check eBay quiet often you can get the same parts (still new)for a lot better price.

 

[GSLENK]

Check eBay quiet often you can get the same parts (still new)for a lot better price.

You are 5 years late bro...

 

[Cooper-97gst]

Lol

 

[buhay6]

You are 5 years late bro...

Lol'd