91 Colt Vista Awd

[skiingcowboy]

Hello, all and thanks for letting me join your forum. Please forgive my noobness.


I have a 91 Colt Vista Awd 5 speed manual tran. It's missing the engine, and has been sitting around my farm for the last 10 years. Well... I need a project to work on and started to do a little research on the Internet to see if there was anything I could to make this car a little more fun.

From the research I have been doing for the last few days it sounds like my Colt has a 4G63 (up till the a day ago i had never even heard that term) I would like to put a 4G63T in my colt. A few questions if a may.

1. Will this be an easy swap?

2.Will the 4G63T bolt right up the the trany and engine mounts?

3. Will I need to do something different about the clutch?

4. Anything I will need to do about wiring?

5. What kind of car would you take the 4G63T out of, or look up in my local area to get.

6. How do I know how many bolt engine I had in the car? I still have the old engine sitting around.

Thanks for your time and any advice you have for me would be cool.

 

[xyexz]

I don't know anything about the colts, however doing a quick wikipedia.org search I came up with this about colts:

Mitsubishi Chariot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looks as though it's a rebadged Mitsu Chariot which would make sense seeing as how a lot of dsm are rebadged versions of other cars.

Here is a link to the 4g63 powerplant wikipedia.org page, shows a lot of different cars that had the same engine, granted not all were turbo'd.
Mitsubishi Sirius engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can't really answer any of the other questions but my best guess regarding wiring would be that if you're wanting to turbo it you'd probably have to do something about your ECU. Guys at ECMTuning, Inc. might be able to get some info for you, perhaps they've helped others with similar cars and tuning them for turbo applications?

Good luck with your project, make sure to share/take pics!

 

[skiingcowboy]

Thanks, xyexz.

I looked at them links the other day. I'm sure this swap will work, I just really want to know what I'm getting myself into be for I go out and buy 4G63T. When I could just get the 4G63 that belongs in there.

There has to be someone on this site that has the answers for me. I have seen lots of info about Fwd swaps, people turning there Fwd into Awd. Just have not been able to find anyone who has put a 4G63T into an Awd Colt Vista.

 

[TunaTalon]

I just tried a Google search for:
colt awd 4g63t|turbo site:DSMtuners

That got over 1800 hits for pages on this site with the words colt and awd with either 4G63T or turbo.

I would suggest refining that search and finding a few members who have direct experience.

Then PM them about this thread.
Most members here are willing/eager to share their knowlege. Which I have just run out of.

Edit.
Of course that should be the URL for dsmtuners in the search string.

 

[KyDSM]

Everything you want to know is at 4G61T.org

If you want to know anything about swaping a 4g63T into a colt PM I have done it all.

My buddy LilEvo on 4G61T.org forums has a website for all your how to needs aswell.

http://www.lilevo.com/

All the how to DVDS for your swap that you'll need.

 

[bastarddsm]

Hi, a 4g63t swap should be very easy on that vehicle. Your engine should be a 6 bolt, that means it has 6 bolts holding the flywheel to the crank. All 4G63 engine share the same bellhousing, except the truck version. Your car should have a w5m31 trans in it. If it does, its the same as my Gallant GSX, and that means you can use regular turbo awd dsm clutch and flywheel parts.

As far as the turbo conversion, as long as you have the dohc 4g63, you could swap in a set of turbo pistons (lower compression), and add the turbo specific induction pieces, as far as the mechanicals go. This is not a very common swap so you probably won't find a lot of colt specific how-too's

For the electrics, it should be pretty easy. All that really needs to be done is adding in an injector resistor pack, wires for the knock sensor, a wire for the IAT sensor, as well as swaping the MAF plug.

For the most part you can probably follow this: http://www.angelfire.com/il2/freestyle/turboconversion.html It should help, but it is dsm specific so you'll have to work out your own intercooler piping, and make sure your wiring harness is the same.

 

[skiingcowboy]

=bastarddsm;152486189]All 4G63 engine share the same bellhousing, except the truck version. Your car should have a w5m31 trans in it. If it does, its the same as my Gallant GSX, and that means you can use regular turbo awd dsm clutch and flywheel parts.

From reading the Chiltons, book I have looks like It has a Km182 trans in it.

This is what I got from a guy named Tim today.
"Hi, my name is Tim, yes this will bolt up the the trans without modifying it, but you will need the entire engine, wire harness and computer out of the donor vehicle, and the turbo, the mitsubishi mirage, eclipse, and the galant all had these motors, they will be the easiest to find, get the complete motor, with fuel and ignition systems,Tim"



BTW: Thanks for all the info so far.

 

[mitsubishikid]

ah another vista owner, mine is fwd

to answer your question, yes the vistas do have a 6 bolt block
[ like dsms most vistas after mid 92 are 7 bolt]
,but your head was sohc.

you will need a dsm 1g 6 bolt motor. and harrness [it is best to just get your hands on a parts car 1g turbo awd dsm, maybe a rear ended one and use it as a parts car]

I have not finished my 4g63t swap yet, i'm still running around with the sohc ,but I swaped in the 2.4 4g64 sohc ,and I got a little more low end torque and a few more horses to my knowledge though I think you have to modify the stock dsm [timming belt side] motor mount so the dohc head dose not crash into the firewall.

keep me posted on your swap, I plan to swap mine in a few months or so.
if you run into any issues please post them as you go.

 

[skiingcowboy]

How about I go at it like this then. Like I said this car has been sitting around for about 10 years.(inside) whats it worth to someone who wants to really turn this car into something cool. It's in mint cond, all it needs is the love. I'm not sure if I have it in me to do this. Sounds like fun, but I might just rather go buy a Jeep.

I was just looking at this as something fun to do but if it's worth alot to someone else by all means i will let them have it. I'm not going to race this or anything like that.

 

[Colt4G63 also]

How about I go at it like this then. Like I said this car has been sitting around for about 10 years.(inside) whats it worth to someone who wants to really turn this car into something cool. It's in mint cond, all it needs is the love. I'm not sure if I have it in me to do this. Sounds like fun, but I might just rather go buy a Jeep.

I was just looking at this as something fun to do but if it's worth alot to someone else by all means i will let them have it. I'm not going to race this or anything like that.

So it looks like this?

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[HIGHPSI4]

The colt vista is a lot different than a 91 colt. The vista still retains a lot of the late '80's technology which was changed for the colt. A 4G63 will drop in and mount to the trans. You will have to have a turbo wiring harness for sure as well as make changes to the vista harness for the turbo items. The drive line is totally different than a DSM too. It will work but it is going to take some work.

 

[brownfinger]

This is actually a really good thread. Even though the OP seems to have registered just to be able to post to the classifieds!

It still sounds like an awesome idea, and great responses.

The colt vista is a lot different than a 91 colt. The vista still retains a lot of the late '80's technology which was changed for the colt. A 4G63 will drop in and mount to the trans. You will have to have a turbo wiring harness for sure as well as make changes to the vista harness for the turbo items. The drive line is totally different than a DSM too. It will work but it is going to take some work.

Does that mean 1990 DSM parts/harnesses may be where it's at?

 

[skiingcowboy]

Well...


I do think it would be cool to drop a 4G63T into this car, and it would be fun. I did not want to spend 2K doing it. Am I better off buying the the 4G63 for $600.00 and driving it around, or selling it to one of you guys who will really put it to work, and make a super cool Hot Rod out of it? BTW: Let me state on more time the car is MINT...


That pic... up there is it.

 

[brownfinger]

I was just bustin' your balls. It's a worthy cause.

 

[skiingcowboy]

I just tried a Google search for:
colt awd 4g63t|turbo site:DSMtuners

That got over 1800 hits for pages on this site with the words colt and awd with either 4G63T or turbo.

I would suggest refining that search and finding a few members who have direct experience.

Then PM them about this thread.
Most members here are willing/eager to share their knowlege. Which I have just run out of.

Edit.
Of course that should be the URL for dsmtuners in the search string.

Thanks... But I don't really think you know what I'm asking for big Tuna. So I will try harder for you.


I'm asking about a 91 Colt Vista Awd, 2.0L. Thats already has AWD... that has a 4G63 in it, and wants put in a 4G63T, and what its going to take.

I really don't want to read about how people turned there Fwd into Awd.(big tuna thats what you found in in your google search) I think thats cool and all(nice projects people) but I already have the Awd in my car.

So... you could be kind enough to butt out of my thread if you got nothing to add( why are you even talking hear)

Most members here are willing/eager to share their knowlege. Which I have just run out of.

"Ran out" So why reply? Your smart about this stuff. I'm new. Fell better big guy. So stop runing off the mouth. I know your kind your nothing new on a internet forum. Dick!
And show me where someone has put a 4G63T into a 91 Colt Vista Awd. By all means I will kiss your DSM ass.

God!!! I'm new and already a dick shows up. First thread.

I was just bustin' your balls. It's a worthy cause.

Well cool ### I'm really thinking about doing now. I just did not know how big of an undertaking it would be.

So it looks like this?

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Yes... Thats it...

 

[90tsiawdturbo]

Sell it and buy a jeep...it's a lot of work, time and money....then go troll a jeep forum... tunatalon was doing nothing but trying to help you out...I'm going to tell you now just like 100 other people are going to tell you...use the SEARCH tab...

I just used the search bar....I typed in "colt vista" and seen at least two threads that would help you...Im not sure how to link them on my iPod but the titles on the threads are "4g63t in a colt vista?" and "turbocharged colt vista" (if my memory serves)

 

[KyDSM]

So it looks like this?

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These are hidious! Go with a 89-91 Colt. If your lucky get a Colt GT.

But go search 4g61t.org you will find all the colt info you'll ever need and then some.

 

[gusu]

These are hidious! Go with a 89-91 Colt. If your lucky get a Colt GT.

But go search 4g61t.org you will find all the colt info you'll ever need and then some.

Total sleeper though. I'd laugh if I saw him pull on a Corvette with that

 

[MrP]

I say do it it would be the funniest sleeper ever!

 

[KyDSM]

It would be cool to pull on a Vette in that but don't hold your breath on picking up any ladies in that hoopdie! It would be a sleeper for sure

 

[Tanro]

If I could find an AWD Colt Vista I would totally build the shit out of it.

That thing would be sleeper as ####.

I saw go for it. Its basically the same as turboing a N/T 1g 2.0.

You just need the 2.0T engine, a knock sensor, ecu, and harness. If your crafty you can get all that stuff for under 1000$. If your extremly craft you can get it all for under 1000$ and then do high rev big turbo build and blow peoples nuts off.

 

[Colt4G63 also]

^ What he said, but with a big rack with snowboards and bikes on the roof to embarrass the Vette owner more.

 

[skiingcowboy]

Sell it and buy a jeep...it's a lot of work, time and money....then go troll a jeep forum... tunatalon was doing nothing but trying to help you out...I'm going to tell you now just like 100 other people are going to tell you...use the SEARCH tab...

I just used the search bar....I typed in "colt vista" and seen at least two threads that would help you...Im not sure how to link them on my iPod but the titles on the threads are "4g63t in a colt vista?" and "turbocharged colt vista" (if my memory serves)

I did look at both them threads.... What Part of AWD Colt Vista don't you get?

It's a AWD Vista not a FWD Vista. From all the research I have done I dont think it's been done. Done as in someone putting a 4G63T in a AWD vista.

I did not come hear to troll. I came hear to ask few questions, and I thank you all for the answers.

But go search 4g61t.org you will find all the colt info you'll ever need and then some.

I have been to that site and I'm waiting for one of the moderators to get back to me. Even searching that forum I did not see any info on what I wanted to do, But I got my answers and will let you guys know what I'm going to do. Think I might have got a 4G63T today for $400.00.

 

[Tanro]

Its been done. I know someone who's done it personally. Less complicated than swapping a 2g fwd to awd.

 

[95_gsx_tuner]

I purchased a 6 bolt block off of a guy in NY with a turbo vista, it was rather impressive. I say go for it, if the cars been sitting this long, take your time and get it right! Best of luck.