6k to spend on my gsx

[ave22]

I bought a 1998 gas shell. I have around $6,000 to build it up. The car is set up for a manual transmission. So in the money I have to leave room for a transmission. I have a 4g63t motor but it has a spun bearing. I would like to see 400hp or better. Thought about building a 2.3 let me know what would be best. Thanks

 

[mheidemanjr]

What's the shell consist of ?

 

[Tanro]

XTD Stage 3-4 Clutch
XTD Flywheel
7 bolt 4g63? :
Evo IX Rods/Pistons
Cometic MLS
ARP rod and head bolts
Cometic, Felpro. or OEM Gasket set
272s or some brand.
DSM Link
AFPR
Wally 255
750cc injectors for pump
1150cc injectors for E85
HX35
FP Manifold
VRSF or Punishment FMIC

just a starting list of what I would get if I had 6k

 

[cantgo2fast]

Dont forget a suspension and brakes

 

[ave22]

everything execpt front fenders, head lights, radiator and ecu

 

[Tanro]

He asked what he needed for the rebuild to achieve 400 hp.

I suppose though, if your starting from scratch.

Look @ the upgrade paths for stage 1 and 2 price out your parts.

 

[burkgonzo]

Stay 2.0 as well.

 

[Valerie]

Sweet deal, stay with the 2.0.

 

[Aproductions]

Do like a Manley/Manley combo, ARP hardware everywhere, machine work, BSE kit, etc. etc.

Build the head with evo springs and retainers, cams, new lifters, new valves and guides and seals.


Turbo...there are alot to pick from, holsets are cheap.

Fp manifold, SMIM ect.



I could name a list forever, you should check in the members>DSM dyno challenge and find a car at your goal level and then look at the mods.

 

[turbotalon1g]

Don't do it, $6k is a lot of money and I wouldn't blow it on a car. esp. not all at once.

 

[Kingcof22]

yeah, stick with 2.0L

 

[DSMTyson]

yeah, stick with 2.0L

+1000

John Shepard and Brent Rau use a 2.0L for a reason.

And for a piston/rod combo. I would go Ross/Eagle. Stick with an OEM crank.

 

[gabytech]

In my project "undertaker" GST I've spent exactly $7,289.73... And all these have been in parts, since all the labor and isntallation have been done by myself. And I estimate I'll spend around $6-8k more... building a 400hp Eclipse ain't cheap at all. Good luck with your build.. for more info on mine go to my fb page. Gabriel Ruiz | Facebook ... my personal advice: write your goal in paper and what parts are needed to achieve your goal.. don't try to cut cheap in some areas of the build, cause in reality at the end you'll end up spending more, due to broken parts or cheap parts which didn't end up achieving your expectations... GOOD LUCK ONCE AGAIN !!! keep us posted...

and remember.. Going with big parts such as turbos, cams, etc... don't always benefit with what your trying to achieve... make an extensive search around with actually the pros, not some high school kids who are driving their first DSM and think they now it all... for advice turn to those who really know what they are doing, since they are the ones that can actually help you with what combinations of parts really work towards your particular plan...

I take back my words.. building a 400hp Eclipse is pretty cheap... what ain't cheap is making that 400hp engine last and putting the 400hp to the pavement without breaking parts constanly... thats where a lot of ppl, especially DSMers which are constanly crying about their ride breaking don't get.. If you wanna make 400hp and enjoy the engine without breaking the car constanly, you gotta put a lot of money into other areas besides the turbo, cams, etc...

 

[CONSIGLIERI]

in my project "undertaker" gst i've spent exactly $7,289.73... And all these have been in parts, since all the labor and isntallation have been done by myself. And i estimate i'll spend around $6-8k more... Building a 400hp eclipse ain't cheap at all. Good luck with your build.. For more info on mine go to my fb page. gabriel ruiz | facebook ... My personal advice: Write your goal in paper and what parts are needed to achieve your goal.. Don't try to cut cheap in some areas of the build, cause in reality at the end you'll end up spending more, due to broken parts or cheap parts which didn't end up achieving your expectations... Good luck once again !!! Keep us posted...

And remember.. Going with big parts such as turbos, cams, etc... Don't always benefit with what your trying to achieve... Make an extensive search around with actually the pros, not some high school kids who are driving their first dsm and think they now it all... For advice turn to those who really know what they are doing, since they are the ones that can actually help you with what combinations of parts really work towards your particular plan...

I take back my words.. Building a 400hp eclipse is pretty cheap... What ain't cheap is making that 400hp engine last and putting the 400hp to the pavement without breaking parts constanly... Thats where a lot of ppl, especially dsmers which are constanly crying about their ride breaking don't get.. If you wanna make 400hp and enjoy the engine without breaking the car constanly, you gotta put a lot of money into other areas besides the turbo, cams, etc...

amen

 

[SpawnedX]

You don't have to stay with a 2.0 if you don't want to. Stroke is more power, period.

 

[DSMTyson]

You don't have to stay with a 2.0 if you don't want to. Stroke is more power, period.

A 2.3 is more torqey and will be better as a daily driver(wont have to get into the boost as much) IMO. Do whatever you want to do, it is your car.

I was misinformed and SpawnedX re-educated me.

 

[SpawnedX]

Thats why Brent Rau is making 1400hp on a 2.0 right?

More stroke is more torque and less revs. Good for a DD i guess.

I am going to say this as nicely as possible. You have no clue what you are talking about. Let Brent Rau do Brent Rau.

Magnus (Brent Rau's Sponsor) sells a 2.3/2.4L long rod kit in which he says can handle 11,000 RPMs, how much RPM loss is that over stock?

For the final time, not everyone on this forum is too afraid or too unoriginal to do something different. Facts and not opinions only. What Brent Rau does and does not do is irrelevant, no one in this thread will ever be at his level and know all his secrets.

 

[nightmares GS-T]

+1000

John Shepard and Brent Rau use a 2.0L for a reason.

And for a piston/rod combo. I would go Ross/Eagle. Stick with an OEM crank.

Strangely enough im fixing to do a build and was considering 2.3. Why should one stay 2.0?

 

[DSMTyson]

I am going to say this as nicely as possible. You have no clue what you are talking about. Let Brent Rau do Brent Rau.

Magnus (Brent Rau's Sponsor) sells a 2.3/2.4L long rod kit in which he says can handle 11,000 RPMs, how much RPM loss is that over stock?

For the final time, not everyone on this forum is too afraid or too unoriginal to do something different. Facts and not opinions only. What Brent Rau does and does not do is irrelevant, no one in this thread will ever be at his level and know all his secrets.

Alright, I'm sorry I guess I didn't know what i was talking about. I was just going by what I was told by my friend about strokers that has a LOT of knowledge about DSMs and cars in general.

Really, 11000rpm? Thats redonkulous. Of all the threads on strokers on here, I've never heard of someone revving them out to 11,000rpm. The most I ever read of was 9,000rpm, and some people on here were telling him not to rev that high. So, I stand corrected.

And thank you for telling me this, now I know otherwise and won't make the same mistake again. And thanks for not flaming the sh** out of me.

If you remember correctly I said "Do whatever you want to do, it is your car." In no way was i saying to conform to the rest of the DSM society and do what everyone else does. Sorry, if it sounded that way.

I changed my previous post btw.

But theres just one thing that has me wondering. Not doubting what you said, but if you can make more power off of a 2.3 over a 2.0 then why doesn't Brent Rau use the Magnus built 2.3 that can handle 11,000rpm? And why doesnt Shep use a 2.3 also? Preference?

 

[kenuwine4g63]

Well presonally i like the gt3582r setup on a 2.3l dsm. It would be sooo sick, thats my personal favorite combo. But in all honestly do what u like 6k is enough when u know how to shop

 

[rlacasse1]

If you are only going for 400 then just build a stock block, build it well using oem parts. That will be cheapest and easily hold 400. Then you have all that money to spend on other sh!t.

On the other hand, stroke it.

 

[DSMTyson]

Well presonally i like the gt3582r setup on a 2.3l dsm. It would be sooo sick, thats my personal favorite combo. But in all honestly do what u like 6k is enough when u know how to shop

Yeah, definatly use the classifieds for stuff that you would feel comfortable buying used.

 

[SpawnedX]

Alright, I'm sorry I guess I didn't know what i was talking about. I was just going by what I was told by my friend about strokers that has a LOT of knowledge about DSMs and cars in general.

Really, 11000rpm? Thats redonkulous. Of all the threads on strokers on here, I've never heard of someone revving them out to 11,000rpm. The most I ever read of was 9,000rpm, and some people on here were telling him not to rev that high. So, I stand corrected.

And thank you for telling me this, now I know otherwise and won't make the same mistake again. And thanks for not flaming the sh** out of me.

If you remember correctly I said "Do whatever you want to do, it is your car." In no way was i saying to conform to the rest of the DSM society and do what everyone else does. Sorry, if it sounded that way.

I changed my previous post btw.

But theres just one thing that has me wondering. Not doubting what you said, but if you can make more power off of a 2.3 over a 2.0 then why doesn't Brent Rau use the Magnus built 2.3 that can handle 11,000rpm? And why does Shep use a 2.3 also? Preference?

Ask them? All anyone knows about Brent's block for fact is that he uses a 2.0 block, who knows what crank he is really running. It's also probably a filled block. Magnus uses a 2.1 build in his 8 second DSM, I am fairly confident that Kevin Jewer uses a 64 in his RWD 1G. When Brent built his "tried and true" setup, the stroker route was never heard of, maybe he plans on going this route.

None of these guys are going to give up their secrets. Just changing to a 2.4L crank has been proven to give you HP. I don't remember the number, but I will look for the dyno charts, but the increase was quite substantial, I am pretty sure it was over 50 HP from just a different crank.

 

[Kevin Jewer]

I'm on a filled 4g63 block. With a 2 speed auto RPM is everything. Same goes for most race cars, which is why race cars tend to stick to 2 liters. The longer you can stay in the lower gears the better. Strokers will move 15-20% more air at the same boost, it's hard to argue with that. Add in that they spool bigger turbos and it's a winner for street/strip cars IMO. I went to 8500 on plain jane 2.3s for years back when I had my 2g with no issues, which is 1000 over the stock redline and good enough for most cases.

Actually, one example of a fast stroker is Kiggly. He's doing work to keep increasing the rev limit and doing very well with them.

 

[SpawnedX]

I'm on a filled 4g63 block. With a 2 speed auto RPM is everything. Same goes for most race cars, which is why race cars tend to stick to 2 liters. The longer you can stay in the lower gears the better. Strokers will move 15-20% more air at the same boost, it's hard to argue with that. Add in that they spool bigger turbos and it's a winner for street/strip cars IMO. I went to 8500 on plain jane 2.3s for years back when I had my 2g with no issues, which is 1000 over the stock redline and good enough for most cases.

Actually, one example of a fast stroker is Kiggly. He's doing work to keep increasing the rev limit and doing very well with them.

There you have it, from one of the guys who has given me the best, most understandable knowledge on every "dumb" question I ask on NEDSM. I hope that helps everyone understand the route of the stroker and the facts. I figured from all the questions he answered on my GSTs 4G64 build, that he ran a stroker at some point.



Too long? Didn't read...there is a difference between race car and street/strip builds and I will always recommend a stroker build if you have the balls and the money. I still have my 64 block for a swap in the GSX one day.