5spd - tranny issue!!! Plllleeeaasseee heellpppp!!!!!

[b00stAdict]

so story is i have a 92 eagle talon tsi 5 speed. Stage 4 pressure plate with 6 puck unsprung disk.

Driving home just crusing, getting ready to get off the highway, downshifted to 4th and it pops out of gear. So i thought maybe it wasn't in all the way so i go to put it back in and nothing. Just revs up, as if the clutch is pressed. I DO have pressure in my clutch pedal, i CAN put it in every gear ( or atleast it feels like it goes in every gear) but the car won't move. No fluids under the car, no smoking, nothing... Have about 4k miles on the clutch and fluids. Checked the shifter cables from the car to the tranny and they are all in tact, had my girl run through the gears as i watch the cables move on the transmission. Had her push in the clutch and the Clutch fork moves as it should. Checked all my axles and they were still in place.



I'm stumped, any ideas would be appreciated!!!

 

[Colt4G63 also]

well here is something new that I haven't seen mentioned but has happened to cars before. If you can go into gear without any use of the clutch then its possible that the shifter fork inside the tranny broke. I've seen this happen before. If your splines and input shaft and all are good then this might have happened.

All the shifter forks at once?

 

[b00stAdict]

ok i just wanted to update you all on what it ended up being.

It ended up being the clutch disk and it snapped all the rivets from the center.

obvious this clutch is NOT the right one for a DD use, and i knew that when i bought it but i did some research and read that some used it for a DD and have no problems. I guess I drive more then the "average".

This clutch has less then 4k miles on it. Shocked that it wen that quick. But here are the pictures

 

[Colt4G63 also]

Well that's great news! Glad to hear it wasn't the transmission.

 

[b00stAdict]

Well that's great news! Glad to hear it wasn't the transmission.

yea definitely! very thankful!!

 

[teddygram]

Glad to see its not the trans also, is that a ACT? If so they may warranty that clutch disc, just a thought. Thanks for updating everyone

 

[Sebba]

Oh damn that was going to be my guess!

Did you match the rpms or just dump the clutch?

Try a sprung disc.

 

[Auto RS T]

Way better than the splines! Thanks for letting us know.

 

[b00stAdict]

Glad to see its not the trans also, is that a ACT? If so they may warranty that clutch disc, just a thought. Thanks for updating everyone

no it's actually an XTD clutch disk.

Oh damn that was going to be my guess!

Did you match the rpms or just dump the clutch?

Try a sprung disc.

i ordered a street disk, and i didn't dump the clutch at all i was driving normal, and just down shifted to 4th to go up a small incline, and that was it.

but glad i got it figured out, and thank you all for your help!

until the next time... stay

 

[spadepro22]

I was just thinking about getting that set up. Looks like the ACT2600

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

All the shifter forks at once?

true.... It was just a thought

 

[Arthris]

Damn. Just have a welder weld it back up...JK. Someone up in PA DD's on the same clutch. Hes had no problems with his. Musta been a fluke

 

[bryanwheat]

ok i just wanted to update you all on what it ended up being.

It ended up being the clutch disk and it snapped all the rivets from the center.

obvious this clutch is NOT the right one for a DD use, and i knew that when i bought it but i did some research and read that some used it for a DD and have no problems. I guess I drive more then the "average".

This clutch has less then 4k miles on it. Shocked that it wen that quick. But here are the pictures

This is exactly the same thing that has happened to the last 5 xtd stage 4 clutches that i have installed and daily driven. The very last one was in the car for less than 2k miles, not a single launch. Some people seem to have luck, but to sheer those rivets so easily, i won't touch them not. Look at the act disc there are 3 times more rivets. I've also found that the thickness of the disc's are very inconsistent. I was sent one as a replacement that was so thick i couldn't get the clutch to disengage with a new fork, ball, shim, longer rod and pedal adjustment.

 

[forumboarder154]

This is exactly the same thing that has happened to the last 5 xtd stage 4 clutches that i have installed and daily driven. The very last one was in the car for less than 2k miles, not a single launch. Some people seem to have luck, but to sheer those rivets so easily, i won't touch them not. Look at the act disc there are 3 times more rivets. I've also found that the thickness of the disc's are very inconsistent. I was sent one as a replacement that was so thick i couldn't get the clutch to disengage with a new fork, ball, shim, longer rod and pedal adjustment.

Seriously??? I think I am having the same problem! Been blaming it on my trans this whole time. Did they exchange it out or what?

 

[bastarddsm]

This is exactly the same thing that has happened to the last 5 xtd stage 4 clutches that i have installed and daily driven. The very last one was in the car for less than 2k miles, not a single launch. Some people seem to have luck, but to sheer those rivets so easily, i won't touch them not. Look at the act disc there are 3 times more rivets. I've also found that the thickness of the disc's are very inconsistent. I was sent one as a replacement that was so thick i couldn't get the clutch to disengage with a new fork, ball, shim, longer rod and pedal adjustment.

Seriously??? I think I am having the same problem! Been blaming it on my trans this whole time. Did they exchange it out or what?

Man you guys have something else going on. I make more power than you guys, I dd my car in the summer, and drive it like I'm pist off at it. Seriously, I beat it like a red headed middle step child. I have a unsprung 6 puck XTD in it right now, and have had two sprung disks before that. The only issue I've had is my last sprung disk was about the rip the hub off the disk. That was only after I hot lapped it for about 25 120mph passes.

I do have a good built trans, good motor motor mounts, a ballanced rotating assembly, and a fluidamper. Maybe that's why mine last.

 

[bryanwheat]

Man you guys have something else going on. I make more power than you guys, I dd my car in the summer, and drive it like I'm pist off at it. Seriously, I beat it like a red headed middle step child. I have a unsprung 6 puck XTD in it right now, and have had two sprung disks before that. The only issue I've had is my last sprung disk was about the rip the hub off the disk. That was only after I hot lapped it for about 25 120mph passes.

I do have a good built trans, good motor motor mounts, a ballanced rotating assembly, and a fluidamper. Maybe that's why mine last.

I assure you than the car i was running them in had nothing else wrong to contribute to this happening. I ran a stage 3 xtd in the car for over a year before upgrading to the stage 4, than i would get about 2-5k miles on them before they would separate. This is from daily driving a car, no racing, or launching. I eventually gave up on the clutch and bought an act disc to run with the xtd pressure plate. I drove it for 2 years before i sold the car without a single problem. As far as power levels i was running a 13g turbo at 16 psi, so we are talking maybe 250-275 max. If it were a problem with the car than the stage 3 beforehand, and the act disc afterwards would of came apart just like the xtd.

 

[bastarddsm]

I just wonder if its the stock dampers not doing a good enough job. I noticed once I put my fluidamper on, I got a lot less driveline chatter.

 

[b00stAdict]

yea i would say it's probably just a fluke, but to be safe and not have to rip my tranny out in another 4k miles i'm gonna stay away from the unsprung 6 puck for a daily driver clutch. I am still gonna keep the pressure plate because i like the pedal stiffness of the Stage 4.

When i bought the clutch in the first place i did a ton of research and had read alot of people using it as a DD and had no problems at all. Thats why i bought it so it would be able to hold more power and a fine DD. But i guess i just drive more then the "average" person or the clutch was just cheap. ha. Either way no biggie i just ordered a new disk and called it good.

 

[Hitmachine101]

well glad it was not the transmission, interesting to see the disk that way and thank you for posting the findings, what clutch disk did you end up going with. I ve heard south bend clutch discs have a good rep.

 

[b00stAdict]

well glad it was not the transmission, interesting to see the disk that way and thank you for posting the findings, what clutch disk did you end up going with. I ve heard south bend clutch discs have a good rep.

I just ordered a stock disk from mitsubishi, it was like $74 and some change.. not bad

 

[Archer Fabrications]

yea unfortunately i find out the hard way. ha but now i know, no more un-sprung disks!!

still though.. any other ideas what could be wrong?



smart, but not so smart but until i tear it down, who knows it may not even be the disk.

but hopefully it is the disk and not tranny.

i have a act 6 puck unsprung and now you got me paranoid about my tranny haha i chose the unsprung because there was no chance of slippage. but hey, so far my tranny is fine. but then again i havent done any launches yet.

 

[ShizzySupra]

English Racing suggested a 6 puck unsprung for me as the sprung clutches have more high rpm shifting issues. NLTS/Launching/ETC on the car with any clutch and power is going to be hard on the tranny so I would take that with a grain of salt.

i have a act 6 puck unsprung and now you got me paranoid about my tranny haha i chose the unsprung because there was no chance of slippage. but hey, so far my tranny is fine. but then again i havent done any launches yet.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

English Racing suggested a 6 puck unsprung for me as the sprung clutches have more high rpm shifting issues. NLTS/Launching/ETC on the car with any clutch and power is going to be hard on the tranny so I would take that with a grain of salt.

i got it cause i know it wont slip.. period, and it doesnt haha

 

[jed344]

Puck style clutch's that are sprung are a bad idea. Its simply to much grab and will sheer rivets and break springs. Go to jack transmissions and it explains that. Either way i would not buy a 6 puck. I am running the ACT 2600 with street disc and love it. Rather burn up a $120 replacement clutch disc then something in the transmission due to clutch not slipping on a launch.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Puck style clutch's that are sprung are a bad idea. Its simply to much grab and will sheer rivets and break springs. Go to jack transmissions and it explains that. Either way i would not buy a 6 puck. I am running the ACT 2600 with street disc and love it. Rather burn up a $120 replacement clutch disc then something in the transmission due to clutch not slipping on a launch.

very true about that... but i plan for a shep stage 4 in the future anyway with the 4 spyder center dif

 

[b00stAdict]

Puck style clutch's that are sprung are a bad idea. Its simply to much grab and will sheer rivets and break springs. Go to jack transmissions and it explains that. Either way i would not buy a 6 puck. I am running the ACT 2600 with street disc and love it. Rather burn up a $120 replacement clutch disc then something in the transmission due to clutch not slipping on a launch.

+1

I agree, a clutch disk is cheaper then a tranny rebuild.