5spd - tranny issue!!! Plllleeeaasseee heellpppp!!!!!

[b00stAdict]

so story is i have a 92 eagle talon tsi 5 speed. Stage 4 pressure plate with 6 puck unsprung disk.

Driving home just crusing, getting ready to get off the highway, downshifted to 4th and it pops out of gear. So i thought maybe it wasn't in all the way so i go to put it back in and nothing. Just revs up, as if the clutch is pressed. I DO have pressure in my clutch pedal, i CAN put it in every gear ( or atleast it feels like it goes in every gear) but the car won't move. No fluids under the car, no smoking, nothing... Have about 4k miles on the clutch and fluids. Checked the shifter cables from the car to the tranny and they are all in tact, had my girl run through the gears as i watch the cables move on the transmission. Had her push in the clutch and the Clutch fork moves as it should. Checked all my axles and they were still in place.



I'm stumped, any ideas would be appreciated!!!

 

[onefast2gdsm]

I have tthe same clutch and mine pops out of 1st gear like 8 out of ten times I put it in. Never happened before the clutch install.

 

[Auto RS T]

Strip the clutch disk splines?

 

[Hitmachine101]

so story is i have a 92 eagle talon tsi 5 speed. Stage 4 pressure plate with 6 puck unsprung disk.

Driving home just crusing, getting ready to get off the highway, downshifted to 4th and it pops out of gear. So i thought maybe it wasn't in all the way so i go to put it back in and nothing. Just revs up, as if the clutch is pressed. I DO have pressure in my clutch pedal, i CAN put it in every gear ( or atleast it feels like it goes in every gear) but the car won't move. No fluids under the car, no smoking, nothing... Have about 4k miles on the clutch and fluids. Checked the shifter cables from the car to the tranny and they are all in tact, had my girl run through the gears as i watch the cables move on the transmission. Had her push in the clutch and the Clutch fork moves as it should. Checked all my axles and they were still in place.



I'm stumped, any ideas would be appreciated!!!

is it going into every gear while the cars running or when its off?

if its on and you can let the clutch go and nothing happens its acting like the clutch disk simply dissapeared

i would think maybe the TOB died but if its going into the gears while its running then obviously the mechanism and throw is working just fine

all i can think of is that you popd a spring out of the clutch disk

 

[b00stAdict]

well its not like it just popped out and i could put it back in and go, this is the first time it's ever "popped out" but it won't go back into gear, i can run the shifter through the motions and it feels like it goes in gear, but the car goes nowhere.


and im not sure about the splines as i haven't ripped it apart yet, this just happened not even an hour ago.

I didn't hear any grinding, or clunking, or anything coming apart, it literally sounded like it just popped out of gear.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

When running can you put it in gear without using the clutch?

 

[Colt4G63 also]

I worked on an 89 Prelude si that stripped the splines off inside the outer C/V joint. The axle was intact and turning, but the outer C/V joint wasn't. Same symptoms. Customer brought it in for a transmission.

It's going to come down to you systematically going through it and ultimately telling us what's wrong with it. :Insert smiley eating popcorn here:

 

[b00stAdict]

is it going into every gear while the cars running or when its off?

if its on and you can let the clutch go and nothing happens its acting like the clutch disk simply dissapeared

i would think maybe the TOB died but if its going into the gears while its running then obviously the mechanism and throw is working just fine

all i can think of is that you popd a spring out of the clutch disk

I can have the car running and run through the gears without the clutch pressed like you stated, it simply "disappeared"

It feels as if its going into gear, as its not loose, but it doesn't catch on any gear, not even reverse.

And there are no springs on the clutch disk, just a 6 puck UNsprung disk.

 

[Colt4G63 also]

What does the speedometer say?

Ps. This is why properly made clutch disks have springs.

 

[b00stAdict]

When running can you put it in gear without using the clutch?

yes i can put it "in gear" but it acts as if there is no gear, no grinding going in to "1st-5th" just like an empty space.

I worked on an 89 Prelude si that stripped the splines off inside the outer C/V joint. The axle was intact and turning, but the outer C/V joint wasn't. Same symptoms. Customer brought it in for a transmission.

It's going to come down to you systematically going through it and ultimately telling us what's wrong with it. :Insert smiley eating popcorn here:

Wouldn't it still move if one cv axle up front AND the transfer case were still together? it is awd...

 

[Hitmachine101]

well its not like it just popped out and i could put it back in and go, this is the first time it's ever "popped out" but it won't go back into gear, i can run the shifter through the motions and it feels like it goes in gear, but the car goes nowhere.


and im not sure about the splines as i haven't ripped it apart yet, this just happened not even an hour ago.

I didn't hear any grinding, or clunking, or anything coming apart, it literally sounded like it just popped out of gear.

assuming your shifter linkage is all hooked up as its susposed to and you saw it going into gear while your girl was shifting it then the tranny is fine and working, like you said no fluid or noises cominog from the tranny somethings up with that clutch disk hate to say it but i think your ripping it apart to see what happened

 

[b00stAdict]

What does the speedometer say?

Ps. This is why properly made clutch disks have springs.

touche! but still besides the point, and the speedometer doesn't move.

I wanted to see how the 6 puck disk was, and i heard horrible things about the springs breaking on the 6 puck disks thats why i went with the unsprung..

but either way i have it and am trying to pin point what the HELL happened

(thanks for all the replies so quick as well)

 

[Colt4G63 also]

Wouldn't it still move if one cv axle up front AND the transfer case were still together? it is awd...

You're right, it would. Unsprung clutch disks are supposed to be really bad for transmission parts. This just goes to show. Sorry for your loss.

 

[b00stAdict]

assuming your shifter linkage is all hooked up as its susposed to and you saw it going into gear while your girl was shifting it then the tranny is fine and working, like you said no fluid or noises cominog from the tranny somethings up with that clutch disk hate to say it but i think your ripping it apart to see what happened

yep, all linkage is hooked up correctly, when going through the motions of each gear, the linkage was moving, i can start the car and hear no noises.

yes either way it has to be ripped apart, im just trying to see what the issue could be before i tear it apart to have an idea ya dig?

i just feel as if it was the clutch wouldn't it try and move, or i would hear some kind of noise if it were broken/missing teeth, as in grinding?

it almost seems as if something broke on the shifter linkages on the tranny internally?? (im not a tranny tech so i don't know what the internals consist of)

 

[Hitmachine101]

I can have the car running and run through the gears without the clutch pressed like you stated, it simply "disappeared"

It feels as if its going into gear, as its not loose, but it doesn't catch on any gear, not even reverse.

And there are no springs on the clutch disk, just a 6 puck UNsprung disk.

well theres one less thing it can be, smart man for putting a unsprung disk in there, most cases i hear of the car refusing to go into gear when a spring brakes or displaces itself so wouldnt of fit anyways

ha ya as the guy stated above the unsprung do beat the trannys up pretty good

my bet is strippd teeth on that clutch disk, but i would figure something would still grab and make some kind of noise, its not like you had 600 hsp on first gear going into second or somthing with a ton of torque, you were down shifting getting off a high way

 

[b00stAdict]

You're right, it would. Unsprung clutch disks are supposed to be really bad for transmission parts. This just goes to show. Sorry for your loss.

yea unfortunately i find out the hard way. ha but now i know, no more un-sprung disks!!

still though.. any other ideas what could be wrong?

well theres one less thing it can be, smart man for putting a unsprung disk in there, most cases i hear of the car refusing to go into gear when a spring brakes or displaces itself so wouldnt of fit anyways

smart, but not so smart but until i tear it down, who knows it may not even be the disk.

but hopefully it is the disk and not tranny.

 

[Colt4G63 also]

No noises, no feeling of the stuff spinning in there, shifter goes through the gears grindlessly without pushing the clutch...

I would say the input shaft snapped off clean.

 

[b00stAdict]

well theres one less thing it can be, smart man for putting a unsprung disk in there, most cases i hear of the car refusing to go into gear when a spring brakes or displaces itself so wouldnt of fit anyways

ha ya as the guy stated above the unsprung do beat the trannys up pretty good

my bet is strippd teeth on that clutch disk, but i would figure something would still grab and make some kind of noise, its not like you had 600 hsp on first gear going into second or somthing with a ton of torque, you were down shifting getting off a high way

exactly! thats why i'm so lost with it. Was doing about 65 in fifth, switching lanes from left to right to get ready for my exit, and it just popped and then wouldn't catch again, there wasn't any tension going into any gear after the pop at all, it seemed normal. soo strange???

No noises, no feeling of the stuff spinning in there, shifter goes through the gears grindlessly without pushing the clutch...

I would say the input shaft snapped off clean.

ok... i could go with that, but then with the clutch spinning on the crank, that shaft would be bouncing off the pressure plate right?

 

[Colt4G63 also]

The sleeve on the front of the bellhousing could be supporting the shaft and keeping the clutch disk centered.

If the internals were spinning, you would feel them engage when you shift. It also seems like if the rivets on the clutch disk all broke, you would hear a noise.

Maybe the splines all tore off the input shaft, and they just aren't making noise for whatever reason.

 

[b00stAdict]

The sleeve on the front of the bellhousing could be supporting the shaft and keeping the clutch disk centered.

If the internals were spinning, you would feel them engage when you shift. It also seems like if the rivets on the clutch disk all broke, you would hear a noise.

im not sure i understand this "The sleeve on the front of the bellhousing could be supporting the shaft and keeping the clutch disk centered."

what do you mean by the sleeve on the bell housing? i could be going brain dead but i can't think of what you're trying to explain...

lets say the shaft did break off, wouldn't the TOB fall off? or not because it's attached to the the fork with the clip..?


and normally when i shift into 2nd its kind of tight and sometime grinds a little if at higher rpm's but i can go into 2nd without any problems now. And im not even sure that it's going into gear. its hard to explain but with the shifter it will go as far "into" gear as it normally would, but nothing happens, doesn't move or even try to move at all.

 

[Hitmachine101]

not necessarly, if it broke clean off right at the input for the tranny, the entire assembly will just rotate and the clutch kit will just keep spining, the input shaft thats chillen in the slot still rotating in the engine will just stay there, technically its doing as its supposed to just that its not attached to the tranny any more,, minor issue

 

[b00stAdict]

The sleeve on the front of the bellhousing could be supporting the shaft and keeping the clutch disk centered.

If the internals were spinning, you would feel them engage when you shift. It also seems like if the rivets on the clutch disk all broke, you would hear a noise.

Maybe the splines all tore off the input shaft, and they just aren't making noise for whatever reason.

yea, could be. and i'm not ruling out any of these scenarios im just trying to make sense of whats going on.. and trust me i understand that things just happen and it could definitely be an odd issue.

i just find it strange that i wasn't even driving "hard" just cruising and a simple pop and now there's no contact with any gear... i would understand if i dumped it at 6 grand in first gear, but i didn't... so im just trying to find out all the possibilities of what it could be.

not necessarly, if it broke clean off right at the input for the tranny, the entire assembly will just rotate and the clutch kit will just keep spining, the input shaft thats chillen in the slot still rotating in the engine will just stay there, technically its doing as its supposed to just that its not attached to the tranny any more,, minor issue

ok that sounds like a possibility... i understand that now. is it possible to buy a new input shaft? im gonna start tearing into it tomorrow so ill find out soon enough..

 

[Colt4G63 also]

According to TRE's website, the 4th order harmonics can chatter the teeth on the input shaft to oblivion with regular DD use. That's why the springs are so important. It wears the teeth away with time rather than ripping them off all at once.

 

[b00stAdict]

According to TRE's website, the 4th order harmonics can chatter the teeth on the input shaft to oblivion with regular DD use. That's why the springs are so important. It wears the teeth away with time rather than ripping them off all at once.

I understand now, and learned my lesson. I will always use a clutch with a disk!


thanks again for all your guys' help!!

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Thanks guys.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

well here is something new that I haven't seen mentioned but has happened to cars before. If you can go into gear without any use of the clutch then its possible that the shifter fork inside the tranny broke. I've seen this happen before. If your splines and input shaft and all are good then this might have happened.