26 miles on a fresh re- build

[dsm_mike1990]

so i just completed the re-build on my engine upgraded to evo 9 pistons 2g rods stainless valves 3g lifters 272 cams and 26 miles into my first journey i downshift to 4th and my engine dies out so i got towed home. after returning home i pull my cam gear t-belt cover to find my dowel pins straight up and timing marks lined up perfect. and when i try and start it there is a horrid grinding noise so im planning on pulling the rest of the t-belt cover and se if the crank pulley jumped timing. but i would relly like to hear opinions on what else it could be. i really dont want to think i skipped timing and wrecked my fresh build. HELP ###ZZ

 

[GST with PSI]

so i just completed the re-build on my engine upgraded to evo 9 pistons 2g rods stainless valves 3g lifters 272 cams and 26 miles into my first journey i downshift to 4th and my engine dies out so i got towed home. after returning home i pull my cam gear t-belt cover to find my dowel pins straight up and timing marks lined up perfect. and when i try and start it there is a horrid grinding noise so im planning on pulling the rest of the t-belt cover and se if the crank pulley jumped timing. but i would relly like to hear opinions on what else it could be. i really dont want to think i skipped timing and wrecked my fresh build. HELP ###ZZ

You don't have to pull the timing cover. Just bump the starter until the timing mark on the mark on the crankshaft pulley is lined up with the 0 degree timing mark on the lower timing cover, and make sure #1 cyl is TDC. After you do this, check your cam timing marks and see if everything is lined up. 2 minutes, and you will know if your timing is good or not, and you don't have to remove anything but the top-most timing cover. A horrid grinding noise sounds like something more than bent valves to me, but who knows. Check your timing and post back here.

Crankshaft mark should be here while #1 is at TDC:

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[92gvr488]

I dont think grinding would come from timing jump. It would make a couple thumps until u bent the valves enough to drop the cylinder. Can you pinpoint the sound? Top or Bottem?

 

[My1GLaser]

and when i try and start it there is a horrid grinding noise

Check that the crank pulley (not crank gear) isn't grinding against the lower timing cover. Sounds like the pulley spun at the inner rubber insulator and you might have thrown the alt belt and the car cut off.

Mine made a horrid grinding noise too and dug a groove into my lower timing cover. Ultra Gray RTV matches perfect

 

[dsm_mike1990]

I dont think grinding would come from timing jump. It would make a couple thumps until u bent the valves enough to drop the cylinder. Can you pinpoint the sound? Top or Bottem?

the grinding sounds like its coming from the starter on the flywheel like somethings locked up. but i can turn the crank pulley and it all moves fine. the reason i thought it could be timing jump is if i bent a valve it might stop the piston from reaching tdc and lock it up


about to go out and check the crank timing. all my belts are there and theres no sign of shreding in the t-belt. also the tension on the t-belt is still good

You don't have to pull the timing cover. Just bump the starter until the timing mark on the mark on the crankshaft pulley is lined up with the 0 degree timing mark on the lower timing cover, and make sure #1 cyl is TDC. After you do this, check your cam timing marks and see if everything is lined up. 2 minutes, and you will know if your timing is good or not, and you don't have to remove anything but the top-most timing cover. A horrid grinding noise sounds like something more than bent valves to me, but who knows. Check your timing and post back here.

well just checked the crank pulley timing and it is spot on. .

 

[92gvr488]

Check to see if the starter is disengaging(dragging)?

 

[dsm_mike1990]

Check to see if the starter is disengaging(dragging)?

the starter is working fine it just literally can not turn the motor and is grinding on the flywheel it probably ruined now. but starter is not the issue. why did my engine die could a grenaded transmission cause a lock up because my clutch throw seams kind of slack the problem is when this issue happened my friend had just started driving so i could not feel what exactly happened but every time he went down to 4th he grinded the gears. so i guess the real question now that timing is out of question could a clutch and or transmission problem cause the motor to not be able to start and basicly lock the motor

 

[havlc2u]

the starter is working fine it just literally can not turn the motor and is grinding on the flywheel it probably ruined now. but starter is not the issue. why did my engine die could a grenaded transmission cause a lock up because my clutch throw seams kind of slack the problem is is when this while issue happened my friend had just started driving so i could not feel what exactly happened but every time he went down to 4th he grinded the gears. so i guess the real question not that timing is out of question could a clutch and or transmission problem cause the motor to not be able to start and basicly lock the motor

Can you crank it by hand at all?
If not then maybe a rod bearing or main bearing

 

[dsm_mike1990]

Can you crank it by hand at all?
If not then maybe a rod bearing or main bearing

yeah i can crank it by hand fine

 

[My1GLaser]

Take off the inspection cover and see if you notice anything unusual. You can't see much, but its better than nothing. Also, you can pull the boot from around the clutch fork and see the front of the pressure plate thru the hole...barely, and you'll most likely need a flashlight and a telescoping mirror.

 

[And_44]

Could be your clutch decided to let a spring go?

 

[vinnio]

sounds like a starter issue to me. Or possibly a ring gear. Like said above, pull the inspection cover and check out in there. Also bench test your starter. Make sure the drive assembly moves in and out fully and there is no damage to the pinion gear teeth.

 

[Hesh724]

if you can hold the clutch down with a pole then go turn the engine over by hand then next step is to pull of the oil pan and look for parts or shavings. or ya compression test to check the head and pistons if all those check out then should be driveline. when the gears whent in my XCase it locked my back wheels up. i dont see why a bad trans cant stop the whole car but you would heard a audible grind or crunch noise i would imagine, at least it did haha. Good luck

 

[blackrosenova40]

Sounds like a clutch issue or something in the transmission is locked.

Ill take a shot out in the dark and guess. If you went from 5th to fourth when this occured. your 5th shift fork/hub slider is stuck and you crunched something inside when you locked your transmission iinto two gears at once.

 

[dsm_mike1990]

well im just going to pull my transmission. and drop the oil pan because all these starter posts i know the grinding was coming from the starter on the fly wheel and i know its bad now... ive been grinding it off the flywheel trying to find out why im not starting. the question is why couldn't it turn the flywheel and motor over it was a brand new starter before this whole dead engine problem and before the build had any miles at all i started the motor with it close to 30 times. but i am dropping the trans anyway because i want to put in my ACT twin disk clutch kit.

 

[vinnio]

If your going to pull the transmission anyways, then cool. But the reason I say check the starter first is simple. If you can turn the thing over by hand then the starter should turn it too. IE bad starter or installed wrong. New stuff isn't always good stuff.

You're ring gear is probably shot too. Just a heads up.

 

[compression]

if it has anything to do with your 5th gear , you can just take the outside cover off of the transmission and 5th gear is right there, maybe your not sure exactly what to look for but, from the sounds of it, what ever is wrong with it should be obvious,

And since your going to take the trans out, you obviously have to take the starter first, so just test it really quick. Do you think the starter is staying engaged? or stuck engaged? you can run your own starter wire for diagnostic purposes to see, a button at advanced auto parts is like 2$

Also remember the awd and fwd starters are different , as the flywheels are different sizes.

Can you put the shifter in all the gear positions? sometimes if it is stuck in a gear you wont be able to , sometimes you will think you are , but it isnt. You can pull the outer cover off the of the trans, really simple just have to drain your gear oil, if all looks well, shift into 5th and reverse and see if the fork/slider moves at all.

 

[dsm_mike1990]

pulled the starter today and there is no signs of grinding and still looks brand new so now im even more confused. ive got 3 days of rain so have to put a hold on pulling the transmission. sorry if i sounded rude i appreciate all the reply's its just after alll the money i dumped into this re- build and upgrade to only go 26 miles is a little irritating to say the least . and i got my first taste of watching my dsm scrape up onto a flatbed and riding with it bouncing dead behind me. not to mention a tow truck driver that was compleatly ignorant asking me why i would put that much $$ into a 4cyl. i love my dsm and none of my friends understand it

ok one piece of info i left out when i turn the engine by hand to tdc and try and turn it over it tries for like 2 seconds then grinds. idk if that will help. because that makes it sound like starter but the starter looks brand new

 

[compression]

Just for shits and giggles, make sure the flywheel is really tight, i had mine come loose one time, i didnt make a grinding noise but it did make a very sever rattle like a super high powered vibrator

 

[dsm_mike1990]

haha yeah ill check transmission is still in because its poring here. man do i want this thing back on the road. i miss my dsm

 

[dsm_mike1990]

well come to find out after all this i have 4 little problems that made one big diagnosis. the 4 issues that lead to me thinking that my motor and or transmission went bad. first my fuel pump died causing it to die out 2nd the 3 inch catless exhaust i did not bother to check witch made it sound like a backfire. 3rd is bad syncros in the trans 4th is a bad starter. so sorry about the rudeness to the starter posts. i just was thinking the worst

 

[bryanwheat]

well come to find out after all this i have 4 little problems that made one big diagnosis. the 4 issues that lead to me thinking that my motor and or transmission went bad. first my fuel pump died causing it to die out 2nd the 3 inch catless exhaust i did not bother to check witch made it sound like a backfire. 3rd is bad syncros in the trans 4th is a bad starter. so sorry about the rudeness to the starter posts. i just was thinking the worst

What leads you to think that you have bad syncro's? Is the transmission grinding when you shift?

 

[AlaskanDsm]

So the issue that you had ended up just being that you had a bad starter? I just wanted to clarify... And if so, I am happy to hear that you are able to drive your car again haha. I recently had a cylinder drop on me and I waited two weeks for my car to be back on the road and that was torture.

 

[dsm_mike1990]

So the issue that you had ended up just being that you had a bad starter? I just wanted to clarify... And if so, I am happy to hear that you are able to drive your car again haha. I recently had a cylinder drop on me and I waited two weeks for my car to be back on the road and that was torture.

that's only one of the 2 bad things my fuel pump died to witch made it seam like timing skip or grenaded trans.

What leads you to think that you have bad syncro's? Is the transmission grinding when you shift?

yes it is 4th gear is the issue it goes in fine when i rev match




its not back on the road yet but it will be soon just got a new trans so i can fix and build the old one to handle the hp the motor is putting out. but until then i guess i baby it since this car is supposed to be my daily driver