1st time at track w/ '92 Tsi AWD

[DSM_munky_man]

Alright gentleman, I am for sure going to the track Nov. 6th for my UTI homecoming drag races. But I may be going this weekend just to get the feel for it and see how consistant I run. Just looking for some any extra tips for this. I read this thread:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dra...car-so-i-dont-break-another-transmission.html

To launch it. I saw another thread that also said 4500 rpm launch and slip the clutch. Is this the best and a general rule for AWD's? My only mods are small 16g and a MBC running bout 14 psi, then my air can gone and just an exposed K&N. I am thinking bout taking the headlight out for the runs, just to get some cooler fresh air flowing to it instead of sucking my hot underhood.

I'll be doing a lil weight reduction, just taking out the spare tire, I guess if you can call that weight reduction, oh and my sub.

Just looking for any more tips, tricks and hints on shifting, launching that kind of stuff. I will also be updating this thread with times and pics/vids too once I get to the track.

 

[gofer]

Basically this is what I tell DSM'rs who have never raced from a tree before...

1. There are 4 lights that drop after you've staged, (3) amber and (1) green. Most leave the line when the see the green light illuminate netting the SLOW reaction times. To get a good R/T leaving the line launch the car on the third amber bulb, by the time you react to it the green one will be on.
2. Its going to be hard maintaining an EXACT rpm so just try to keep it between 4.5 and 5k when your launching it.
3. Slip the clutch. That means lifting it SLOWLY off of the floor board until you feel it start catching, then release it the rest of the way. Whatever you do don't just drop the clutch, you'll bog...

Heres a video of me bogging because I didn't slip the clutch...
YouTube - street legal drags at california speedway 31OCT09

Good luck!

 

[OstarMotorsport]

best of luck

 

[DSM_munky_man]

Alright that sounds good, and after staging do I just let it up till it catches then hold it there and when I launch slam the gas and let of the clutch (w/o dumping) slowly? like slow enough to not dump it but not slow enough that I am riding it for a while?

 

[cookmeup272]

While your releasing the clutch, give it more gas. So as your left foot is coming up, your right foot is going down until your left foot is all the way up and your right foot is all the way down

 

[gofer]

Alright that sounds good, and after staging do I just let it up till it catches then hold it there and when I launch slam the gas and let of the clutch (w/o dumping) slowly? like slow enough to not dump it but not slow enough that I am riding it for a while?

No. If you let it up til it catches you'll roll through the light, thats a different method of launching called pre-loading. It requires a twin disc clutch to do it correctly, if you do it on a OEM, ACT, etc. you'll burn it up.

When the third amber illuminates your already at 4.5 to 5k so mash the gas and start raising the clutch slowly, like you would leaving a stop sign driving normally. When you start hauling ass out off the line lift it the rest of the way as fast as you can without dropping it...

 

[AWD_Launch]

Short shift with your combo, I would shift 1-2 around 6400, 2-3 around 6200, and 3-4 around 6000. This will net you the best. I revved mone to 7K in every gear and someone told me to short shift, I tried it and gained a few MPH's and lowered my et' a few tenths. Maybe run open DP, and throw a gallon or two of VP in the tank and turn the boost up another lb or two.

 

[DSM_munky_man]

No. If you let it up til it catches you'll roll through the light, thats a different method of launching called pre-loading. It requires a twin disc clutch to do it correctly, if you do it on a OEM, ACT, etc. you'll burn it up.

When the third amber illuminates your already at 4.5 to 5k so mash the gas and start raising the clutch slowly, like you would leaving a stop sign driving normally. When you start hauling ass out off the line lift it the rest of the way as fast as you can without dropping it...

Oh I see, that is what I was planning was to do the ebrake thing and preload it a bit. But your way, is the release pretty quick though, but not quick enough to dump?

Short shift with your combo, I would shift 1-2 around 6400, 2-3 around 6200, and 3-4 around 6000. This will net you the best. I revved mone to 7K in every gear and someone told me to short shift, I tried it and gained a few MPH's and lowered my et' a few tenths. Maybe run open DP, and throw a gallon or two of VP in the tank and turn the boost up another lb or two.

I can't turn the boost up any more, the next step up on my MBC is 17 and I hit fuel cut. I may try though today and mess with it see if that is right, but last time running around I turned it all the way down then did some passes down the street and each time upping it one click and it jumped a couple psi each time. And I want to see If I can get a cut out this weekend or week and put it on the DP That way I dont get pulled over for it.

And thanks for the shifting idea, that was my next question.

I also forgot to add I got a 3" cat back and the cat is a test pipe cat and the DP is either stock or 2.5" but I havent been under to measure.

 

[gofer]

Yea, if you preload it using the ebrake you'll burn your clutch up FAST unless its a twin disc. The release is pretty quick once you start coming out of the hole, you feel it catch and raise it quick just don't dump it.

 

[DSM_munky_man]

So sit there at 4.5-5k, on the 3rd amber mash the gas raise the clutch, as you start to move release fast?

Then shift @ 6400, 6200, 6000?

 

[97-gst]

basically just ride your clutch out and dont dump it...i used the ebrake method after they told me on the thread that you read, and it worked out great. but ive got a stage 3 clutch...stage, then let the clutch out until it starts to pull then push it back in just enough to keep it from rolling, i launched mine at 5500k and i held the ebrake back so i didnt redlight then when the green light came i dropped the ebrake and rode out the clutch..it just takes practice

 

[4g63monstr]

I use my E-Brake to stage so I am not using my right foot to work the brake. Do not pre load! Just use the E-brake to keep your car from rolling forward or backward. When you see the second yellow, drop the brake, and by the time that happens the 3rd amber will be up, just slip the clutch and stomp it when it engages! As for the short shifting advice! thumbs up! At 7000 RPM's it seems the turbo is inneficcient. By short shifting I gained .4 seconds in the 1/4.

 

[DSM_munky_man]

Sweet!! I will be heading to the track tomorrow and will try this out and hopefully get some good times. I am hoping in between 13 and 14's, but since this is my first time it will probably be slower since I need to get a hang of it. What do you guys feel?

 

[AWD_Launch]

With intake, exhaust and 14psi with a few tiny boost leaks I hit 14.1@95MPH and a 1.8X 60". Depending on how well your car is it could be anywhere from 13's to 15's plus driver skill plays a huge part. Just have fun and know the first time out your just getting used to the car. I ran a 15.3 my first run not knowing what to launch the car at and bogged it. Next run was 14.9 with a better 60 and it kept getting better from there. Don't get mad if your first few runs are less than great.

 

[DSM_munky_man]

Ya, I am hoping to practice a lil bit this weekend and wont be to worried botu times. Just getting ready so I dont make a fool of myslef in front of the whole school cause idk how to launch! But I bring back some time slips.

P.S. What is stock 1/4 mile tiems for the Talon AWD?

 

[AWD_Launch]

Low 15's 100% stock but even tiny mods will get you much faster. If you can. buy a cheap FMIC, data logger and something to tune with. My friend on 17lbs, 2.5" DP open, FMIC, intake and small tune hit 12.8@105-106

 

[DSM_munky_man]

I would, but I dont have the money right now to buy anythign at all. I have a little money to do my rear brakes cause they seriously need done, but in a week or so (too late for the Homecoming drags) I will have my money and I am doing whole fuel system upgrade and frontmount and ECMlink.

 

[DSM_munky_man]

Alright, well had some fun last night, didn't do near as good as I thought I would/watned too , but had fun none the less and was really just trying to work on getting things figured out. The first one sucked cause right as the staging lights went on the tree dropped fast and then tried for 3rd gear but it was nuetral so had to try again, the second I launched ok, the 3rd I think I dumped my clutch, and the fourth went ok. Not to bad I guess since it was only my first time to run the 1320! Well Gentlemen, here are the official results:

Run #1
Reaction- .7868
60ft- 2.5554
330ft- 6.7666
1/8 ET- 10.2471
1/8 MPH-67.59
1000 ET- 13.2394
1000 MPH-80.21
1/4 ET-15.8498
1/4 MPH-89.41

Run #2 (had it set to 1/8th mile)
Reaction-.6318
60ft-2.5784
330ft-6.9034
1/8 ET-10.3765
1/8 MPH-70.56

Run #3
Reaction-.3805
60ft-2.6488
330ft-6.9331
1/8 ET-10.3781
1/8 MPH-71.72
1000 ET-13.2439
1000 MPH-82.42
1/4 ET-15.7791
1/4 MPH-92.35

Run #4
Reaction- .1390
60ft-2.7365
330ft-7.0301
1/8 ET-10.4787
1/8 MPH-71.28
1000 ET-13.3421
1000 MPH-82.61
1/4 ET-15.8742
1/4 MPH-92.48

My GF took some vids, so I will try to get them up soon. I wasnt building boost off the line, is that normal? And I need to work on my shifts, they could be a lil quicker,

 

[DSM_munky_man]

Here is a video that she took, this is the only one she got, well she has one on her phone but not gotten it off yet. This is the second run where they did 1/8 mi.

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[talonracer12]

I have to personally say I think you are slipping the clutch way to much. You are posting 2.5+ 60 foot times and on an AWD you should be doing sub 2.0's. Also, you should be building a little boost off the line with the stock setup. With the clutch in, I think the stock limit is 4500 or something. The clutch should grab a little more so you feel like it is pulling you through but instead you look like a FWD that is keeping wheel spin down. Just my opinion, try slipping it less.

Eric

 

[DSM_munky_man]

I think that was my conclusion too as I thought back on the night. And stock rev limit at 4500? I dont think so, atleast not on mine I took it to 5-5.5k and it still was no boost. I still not sure how I should be building boost off the line either, w/o preloading the tranny. But I will agree with the slipping the clutch I think I let it out to slow, but I was afraid of popping it too and lagging off the line (which I was anyway).

 

[cookmeup272]

Yea even with the stock clutch you should be getting some better 60 foots. I would definitely say work on those as that will help your times a lot.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Yeah your 60' time are horrible. I can drop the clutch on my FWD and get 2.3-2.4's spinning. I hit 2.2 with my DSM when it was a non-turbo 4G36 and ran a 16.1. They say that every 1/10 of a second that you knock off in your 60' equals 2/10 of a second in the 1/4 mile. So with your best 60' being a 2.5, if you launched better and got it down to 2.0, that would be a full second faster on your et, ~14.8 or so, even without any other changes. I would say forget the whole slipping the clutch thing. With stock power your AWD should give you more then enough traction to take care of the launch for you. What RPM were you shifting at?

 

[DSM_munky_man]

Yea even with the stock clutch you should be getting some better 60 foots. I would definitely say work on those as that will help your times a lot.

Ya and it is not a stock clutch. PO is unsure of it but he said it was a yellow pressure plate and none of it looked stock. So I am assuming it may be an atc?

Yeah your 60' time are horrible. I can drop the clutch on my FWD and get 2.3-2.4's spinning. I hit 2.2 with my DSM when it was a non-turbo 4G36 and ran a 16.1. They say that every 1/10 of a second that you knock off in your 60' equals 2/10 of a second in the 1/4 mile. So with your best 60' being a 2.5, if you launched better and got it down to 2.0, that would be a full second faster on your et, ~14.8 or so, even without any other changes. I would say forget the whole slipping the clutch thing. With stock power your AWD should give you more then enough traction to take care of the launch for you. What RPM were you shifting at?

I was shifting at ~6500 or so. And are you suggesting just dumping my clutch? I need this for a DD as well so I want to try and preserve it as best I can.

 

[cookmeup272]

My pressure plate in my Talon is yellow, I run an ACT 2600...My first time at the track went somewhat similar. My first and second runs had 60' of like 2.5, but my third one was a 1.8