1G or 2G

[Skimanner]

After a lot of research I found almost all I need to know atm in the forums. The only question I cant figure out for sure is:

What is better to purchase a 1g or a 2g. According to the step by step guide for upgrading on this site it shows that a 2g costs more to upgrade to stage 1 and 2 then the 1g does and both show the same HP which would make the obvious choice that the g1 is a better ideal, but I assume theirs more to it then that so hoping for some insight please.

 

['99GST]

There is good and bad to both. I personally like the looks of the 2g better. But then it is cheaper for the 1g. If you have the money to spend I would go with the 2g

 

[eclipsemf]

It depends on a lot of things one big thing is that the 1g 5speeds come with a 14b turbo which can push out some good hp numbers with the supporting mods, where as the 2g has a t-25 which is pretty much at its peak at stock boost levels so one of the first upgrades would be a bigger turbo.

 

[MEz]

Yes the 2g would cost a little more to upgrade, however they are relatively the same in most cases, remember you could always find legit used parts here on the site. It all depends on a few things when it comes to choosing 1st. Finding either 1 or 2g with the least amount of problems (E.G. they all have problems) 2nd. When it comes to appearance which would you prefer? 3rd. gs vs gst vs gsx. There is a lot more factors that come in when choosing. What is it that you are looking for? Personally if I ever get the chance I'd get a 1g talon tsi awd but I'm curious to hear what your looking for.

 

[Skimanner]

I had a 92 eclipse fwd forever, but it was non-turbo so I never did anything with it. Now that I'm older and have more money I want another eclipse/talon I prefer the 1G appearance more as well but if it where to cost a lot more to upgrade a 1G or the 1G had less power in the end then I would get a 2G and deal with it, it's not like I don't like the 2G appearance I just like the 1G better.

My goal as of this point is to search and find a 1G talon or eclipse(no pref), manual trans, AWD, Turbo engine. If it takes too long to find one I may end up switching that around to something that I can find but that is my top preference. If I could find one with a crusty paint job and a blown turbo unit that would be the ultimate find since I will be replacing the turbo and re-painting the car anyhow. I will be painting the whole car chameleon just like my old eclipse.

 

[DSMBanditFZ6]

Its really all about looks (even though six bolts are a tad bit better) I really like my 90 (not the best year) if you want a 1g I would go for a 91+. IMO. My brother has a 2g and it has its perks. I just like the way my interior is laid out.......

90's transmissions are JUNK! So, I bought a 92 23spline and switched output shafts. you can just tell how much stronger they are.

Keep us updated on your decision, either way you win just make sure you don't buy a neglected POS that doesn't have 2nd gear and the motor goes 2 weeks after you buy it like me. ( it's almost put back together 1400$ later. 1500$fl for the car) atleast your researching these cars before you buy, that's more than I can say for myself.

Good luck!

 

[mondale]

1gs because they look better! Personal opinion of course.

 

[Dhan]

This question is too subjective. Ask yourself what you're gonig to do with the car, then make your choice based on that.

 

[RocCitySlayer]

I have never had a 1g so I cant comment on that but the 2g gsx is pretty fun and it looks really good

 

[Johng322]

Like said before it is really all about what you want. Neither has an overall advantage over the other but they each have certain areas where one might fit you better. I bought a 1g and wouldn't change it for anything because all I have to do is look at my car and I smile.

 

[i3oi3c78]

I would go with the 1g. I've had many 2g's, traded my last 2g gst for a 1g gsx. I love it....

 

[91stocker]

1g ftw

Lighter, cheaper, stronger, faster.

Factory 6 bolt, with 4 bolt lsd rear with an auto trans. About as bullet proof as a dsm comes. Plus 14b and 16g are straight forward bolt ons. 400whp potential with a "stock-ish" turbo.


Go 2g if you have to been seen in something flashy

 

[MEz]

A lot of 2g DSM'ers wanting to trade for a 1g including myself . The 2g in my case was like a gateway drug, I loved the way it looked. Now I'm looking for a stronger addiction Or just swap for a 6-bolt Thats the great thing about these cars most of the parts are inter-changeable.

 

[JKsTSiAWD]

Of course everyone's biased based on what they own, but I would go with whatever you think you'll enjoy more. I ended up with a 1g, which I love, but the 2gs are very fun to drive too, and you get more looks I think. If you're trying to go fast though the 1gs are a bit stronger and as previously stated cheaper to build on; also have a bigger engine bay in case you need to squeeze a holset in there.

 

[Billiam]

Be different, buy a VR4 Galant. You don't see them every day.

 

[mattasi]

I love me a nice 2g,... the best advice I can give to you is to look at both a 1g and a 2g in person, and go with what ever one draws you in more.

Contact some people on here that live near you and tell them what your trying to figure out some people are pretty helpful.

Overall do what you feel is best, because everyone has their thoughts on each one...

 

[DSM1G90]

1G's are older and maybe harder to find than 2G's since more 2G's came out of the factory due to their massive options and upgrades available over the 1G.

But, true - such a subjective question since there is no definite answer - just have to find what you like and want an go for it.

I remember when the 1G's came out in mid 1989 as 1990 models: I loved the popup headlights and the airplane racing cockpit styling-definitely a personal look (they could have dumped the rear seats to make a sweet little two seater sports racer) When Mitz dropped the popups in 1992, it was a bit of a letdown in design for me, but knew why it had to happen.

In 1995 for the new 2G models. they did look more bulkier and heavier than the 1G's, but, to me, with losing the cockpit racing look and made it plainer really bummed it out for me to where it was just another US designed sports coupe that was made for a girl that lives up on snob hill for her daddy to buy for her for graduation.

..but, that's just me. 1G is a style I can relate to since it's "personal" to me. Thus, the OP needs to think on this line - which line can he be seen in - be 'personal' to him?

-DSM

 

[theoutlaw82]

Its actually simple. 1GA has a 6 bolt and the others do not. 1G has better flowin intake, head, and throttlebody. Also 1G is alot lighter. So I'd say 1GA wins.

 

[DSM1G90]

1992, past June until the 2G's came out in late summer of 1994, 1G's had 7bolts...they were called 1Gb's due to the slight design of the 1G style-with solid headlights and a slightly modified rear end for better air flow to reduce resistance.

7 bolt motor was actually an advanced design of the 4G63 with faster flowing intake and higher compression to get 205hp out of the motor over the older 6 bolt 190hp output due to the high volume input design the 6 bolt setup used.

It was such a good design (after the crankwalk issue was cleared) that the same motor was an excellent choice for the 2G turbo's. (Don't knock a 7 bolt when it's been rebuilt-they're just as much as a screamer as the 6 bolt...)

-DSM

 

[Skimanner]

Thanks for all the feedback, much appreciated. Trying to do all the research I can to make the right decisions the first time and not cost myself extra money when I realize I did the wrong choice but no matter how much research I do I always make costly mistakes it's just the nature of the beast. So many options it's impossible to go the way you meant to. When it's cheaper projects like a bicycle it's no big deal you can change to what you want without a big expense. When your talking about a tuned car or a beast computer it's a whole lot different. Once you realize you screwed up you have to live with something you didn't want forever unless your rich and can afford to start all over

p.s. I found the stage 1 and 2 step by step guide on tuning the cars on this site but a while back when I was doing research I remember a real nice site that had mod kits for stage 1-5 or 6 with all the parts and mods necessary for each stage listed and I believe they also sold the actual kits, but I can't find that site now. Obviously the later stages where super tune stuff like rebuilding the engine and such but I would really like to find that site again if anyone knows one or the one I'm talking about.

and to answer the question of what do I want out of the car? I want to have fun tuning it and making it the fastest beast I can. I will probably never even take it to the track to see how fast it is but that's not the point. I'm not going to be racing it but I want to build it as fast as I can as if I was going to race it (atleast to my budget) my budget is quiet significant atm. Atleast almost high enough to take me through stage 1 and half of stage 2 based on the guild on this site, but as I get more money down the line I would like to possibly take it further with engine mods and such, it really just all depends in what I want in life when that time comes but I want to research it all now so I know. For example in stage 1 you only need a cat to pipe 2.5" exhaust system but in stage 2 you need a turbo to pipe 3" exhaust so obviously I'm going to just buy the 3" exhaust to begin with. That's why I want to know everything needed even for the most rad upgrades so I can decide what to do before hand. I don't wanna buy for example a 3" exhaust system just to find out later down the road to get the next stage of performance out of it by modding the engine that I need a 4" exhaust (just one of many examples, like injectors, fuel pump, on and on). I just want to get as familiar with all that I can do up front and go from there.

 

[mattasi]

Its actually simple. 1GA has a 6 bolt and the others do not. 1G has better flowin intake, head, and throttlebody. Also 1G is alot lighter. So I'd say 1GA wins.

My 97 gsx 2g has a brand new six bolt

 

[FLASH1970]

Its actually simple. 1GA has a 6 bolt and the others do not. 1G has better flowin intake, head, and throttlebody. Also 1G is alot lighter. So I'd say 1GA wins.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, right, and right. The 6 bolt came on cars built until June of 92. So early 1gb cars had 6 bolts. The 1g intake and head have bigger ports, but the airflow isn't as direct as a 2g/ EVO style head so it has less velocity. The 1g throttle body is 60mm versus 52mm on the 2g but to need a bigger throttle body, you'd need to be pushing some crazy power.

To the OP, the 1g is lighter and I think better for drag racing. If you plan to drag race, I'd go with an automatic transmission. Try to find one with a 6 bolt engine and 4 bolt rear differential setup. If you can't find one, try to find one with a 6 bolt. The rear differential and axles can be swapped out easily.

The 2g is a bit heavier but has a better suspension setup for handling. I like the interior of the 2g. I think it's a much nicer place to be in for commuting. I think a 2g also has the advatage in looks when it comes to the 97-98 Talon.

 

[MEz]

Its also important to buy from a reliable seller, Personally I would only buy a DSM from a DSM'er. Reason because a true DSM'er takes care of his car and they know the true value of the car (E.G. don't sell it as expensive), unlike those "Brian O' Conner wannabes" that neglect their car and try to ricer it out and work half-ass on their mods anyways.

 

[Skimanner]

Its also important to buy from a reliable seller, Personally I would only buy a DSM from a DSM'er. Reason because a true DSM'er takes care of his car and they know the true value of the car (E.G. don't sell it as expensive), unlike those "Brian O' Conner wannabes" that neglect their car and try to ricer it out and work half-ass on their mods anyways.

I have no plan of buying one that has any mods. I wanna do it myself, pick my own parts, etc. so a car with any mods only means I'm paying for parts that i'll probably swap out. I was looking at one car listed in the classifieds on here and it seems nice, I would buy it because it has a lot of the higher end mods that I want so I wouldn't have to pay for it and then swap the parts. Problem is I'm a noob with very little knowledge of what I'm talking about and don't trust the seller or any seller for that matter .

Point is my dad owns a car lot so I have auctions to goto with thousands of cars each week. Should not take long to find a un-modded vehicle that I want, and even if it is modded it will be extremely cheap because car dealers put no value into mods.