19" wheels, to lower or not to lower?

[wookieneck]

Okay, im thinking 19"s on my 2g
Motegi has a cool site that you can put the rims on your car and even adjust ride height. My question is, does anyone have 19"s and did you have to lower the car any to get the right amount of wheel well?
Also you need a camber kit to lower a 2g anything over an inch or can you do an inch without camber kits?

 

[wret]

I assume you know that 19” wheels will have many counter-performance points for the debatable appearance improvement.

That said, your lowering concerns are the same as anyone else’s, whether with 14” wheels or 19. The tire diameter stays relatively close. Bigger wheels will not narrow the fender gap and can actually accentuate it. The “right” amount of gap is a matter of personal taste but it is collectively agreed that the stock gap is not “right.” How you correct it depends on personal preference, budget, and performance goals. You will find many different suspension upgrades debated in this forum but discussion usually narrows it down to relatively few.

Even when lowering only an inch, you will likely need a couple of spacers in the back.

 

[gsxstac]

my gf's car does not rub. its a 98 awd tsi with 19x7.5 rims and 225/35 tires. with 4 people it still doesnt rub. and the tires dont wear un evenly and their is no camber kits on the car. all it needed was a good alignment.

 

[gsxstac]

o yea nd it has eibach sportlines and tokico blues

 

[DOHCSIDE BOOST]

check my gallery, 2 inch drop, no rub, ive never had more than 2 people in my car but i have a system so i guess it kinda evens out.

 

[cuttheduck]

If you can only choose between 18-19 inch rims or lowering I would choose lowering everytime. Do suspension before rims, otherwise it looks ridicolous.

Heres a random pic of nonlowered cars, i've seen alot worse, 19's would look even more lifted.

(sorry if its someones on this site, not sure where they're from)

 

[awd4g63]

Here's Signal's car:

Lowered with 19x7.5" Racing Hart C2 Evos.

 

[wookieneck]

See 19"s are just flat out sweet on the 2g. You could ask for a better size in terms of filling the wheel well, and no one can looks at those guy's cars and say "17"s would be better."

Everywhere I check they say "19x8's will not fit on an eclipse" , but the motegi ads have a 97 gst with 19x8's. Of course when you call them and ask they plead ignorance. I hate to drop two grand on rims and tires and then have to fiddle fart around with spacers and what not trying to "make" them work. Anybody running 19x8's with a 40mm offset?

On the matter of lowering 1st or wheels 1st. Wheels will be on the car before lowering for certain. Every punk kid in the world drops their car 4 inches, tosses a big erector set wing on the back and slaps on the loudest weedeater muffler they can find. Then they come up with some appropriately ignorant club name and get the big window sticker that says "Low income Customs" or something.

I like to think of myself as a step above all the lowered hunks of crap with factory rims rolling around, as would most people on this board. You put on the rims, let the world know your serious and your not some punk. Then see how much it needs lowered if any and do it

 

[jtmcinder]

See 19"s are just flat out sweet on the 2g. You could ask for a better size in terms of filling the wheel well, and no one can looks at those guy's cars and say "17"s would be better."

When someone who knows handling looks at a 2G with 19s they often laugh. And if there happens to be another 2G nearby that has 245/40/17s on it or maybe even 245/45/16s (see below), such that the rice-mobile can be directly compared with a real car, the laughter can cause real pain.

- Jtoby

 

[DOHCSIDE BOOST]

Everywhere I check they say "19x8's will not fit on an eclipse" , but the motegi ads have a 97 gst with 19x8's. Of course when you call them and ask they plead ignorance. I hate to drop two grand on rims and tires and then have to fiddle fart around with spacers and what not trying to "make" them work. Anybody running 19x8's with a 40mm offset?

19x8 montegi dpk's, 2 inch drop, no prob rub, no prob fit, no camber kit, and no unusual tire wear so far. check my gallery dude.

 

[wookieneck]

When someone who knows handling looks at a 2G with 19s they often laugh. And if there happens to be another 2G nearby that has 245/40/17s on it or maybe even 245/45/16s (see below), such that the rice-mobile can be directly compared with a real car, the laughter can cause real pain.

- Jtoby

Did I mention handling? Didnt think so. If someone really "knows" handling, they buy a supra. Im talking looks, and those little dinky wheels "look" like crap. So you laugh about our handling and we will laugh about your total lack of style. Then everyone is happy

 

[wookieneck]

19x8 montegi dpk's, 2 inch drop, no prob rub, no prob fit, no camber kit, and no unusual tire wear so far. check my gallery dude.

That is what I am talking about. Absolutely perfect! Love the gunmetal. Mine is silver, just put the blitzkit on and she went to the paint booth yesterday. Those rims will look completely bad arse on there. Thanks man!

did you do coilovers and struts or just coilovers? and the alignment shop didnt have any problems getting it back in?

 

[jtmcinder]

Did I mention handling? Didnt think so. If someone really "knows" handling, they buy a supra.

Sorry to take so long to reply, but I literally fell out of my chair laughing at the idea of getting a Supra for handling. Thanks for the giggle.

As to mentioning handling ... you don't have to. You're in the suspension forum. Take your weak-assed rice sh*t to the appearance forum if you don't want to be reamed for putting 19s on a DSM.

- Jtoby

 

[gsxstac]

Sorry to take so long to reply, but I literally fell out of my chair laughing at the idea of getting a Supra for handling. Thanks for the giggle.

As to mentioning handling ... you don't have to. You're in the suspension forum. Take your weak-assed rice sh*t to the appearance forum if you don't want to be reamed for putting 19s on a DSM.

- Jtoby

its always great to have a cocky SOB such as yourself reply in a thread with nothing useful to say and start a war, also amazing to see that someone thought you deserved the wiseman title, they must have missed your maturity level. its great you know alot about handling, but your just plain talking shit right now, i agree that 2g's with 16's and 17's with wider tires will handle better, but fyi buddy, my girlfreinds 98 tsi awd which has sportlines and toico and 19x7.5's with 225/35/19 nitto nt 555's on it handles awesome. it handle more then she would ever need it to. everyone isnt auto crossing their car here, some want looks, some want both and some want just awesome handling, my gf wanted looks with a little better handling and thats what she got. i'm using 17x7.5 rims with 225/50's for now until i moce up to 235/45's. i want better handling, she wanted looks

moral of the story is when someone with a 2g who knows what looks good sees that red car with the 16's on it, they dont laugh cuz it looks retarted, they understand why that persons car is set up like that. DONT BE A FUKIN NAZI

 

[jtmcinder]

but fyi buddy, my girlfreinds 98 tsi awd which has sportlines and toico and 19x7.5's with 225/35/19 nitto nt 555's on it handles awesome.

If I'm ever out hitching near you, I'll make sure I ride with your girlfriend and not you. Thanks for the tip.

- Jtoby

 

[DOHCSIDE BOOST]

did you do coilovers and struts or just coilovers? and the alignment shop didnt have any problems getting it back in?

i have springs, and i didnt go get an alignment.

 

[jtmcinder]

If you lowered your car 2" and didn't get an alignment, then you will soon be shopping for tires. May I suggest Kumho MXs?

- Jtoby

 

[DOHCSIDE BOOST]

my cars been in the shop for a while so theres no need to get an alignment since the car just sits there, but i will be getting one.


Wookie you might wanna cover up your liscence plate man.

 

[96TSi_Chris]

i have springs, and i didnt go get an alignment.

No alignment? Get one ASAP.
For the guy asking the question, please get an alignment unless you like the idea of replacing tires every 6 months. My buddy had 18s on his eclipse and it affected performance from a handling aspect. Plus i really wouldnt be riping on jtmcinder considering he knows his shit and this is a performance site.

If 19s is what you want, make sure you get a nice set of shocks and springs. If you go just springs, you are going to destroy those stock shocks in no time. An alignment is key as soon as you lower your car as well, as its going to be out of camber.

 

[DOHCSIDE BOOST]

obviously people dont read.

 

[96TSi_Chris]

obviously people dont read.

I took a phone call while writing my post, so obviously i didnt see the post above mine assclown

 

[Turbo Shogun]

When someone who knows handling looks at a 2G with 19s they often laugh. And if there happens to be another 2G nearby that has 245/40/17s on it or maybe even 245/45/16s (see below), such that the rice-mobile can be directly compared with a real car, the laughter can cause real pain.

- Jtoby

Could the picture of the 2G you put up be yours, Toby? 'Cause it looks pretty damn good.

As for "style" there's a reason why we dress differently. Some people like to wear neon spandex, others don't. Others want 19" bling-bling and others don't. But I have to admit, Lime Green does look quite becoming on me.

 

[cuttheduck]

The problem Jtoby has with this thread is understandable. This is the suspension performance and tuning forum. He wouldn't go into the non-performance forum and start talking crap about 19's. If all the "19 inch rims" and "3 inch drop threads" were all posted here they would overwhelm the real suspension performance related questions. Don't post in the wrong forum and all will be good.

 

[wookieneck]

my cars been in the shop for a while so theres no need to get an alignment since the car just sits there, but i will be getting one.


Wookie you might wanna cover up your liscence plate man.

Cover the license plate? So people like this laughing wiseass dont track me down and tell me what my personal preferences should be. I just built a 94 supra with a single turbo conversion, and if he thinks a talon/eclipse will out handle/perform it then he must be a crackhead. Or he has never driven one or even sat in one which would seem more likely. What I need to do is pull off this board entirely, one out of 5 replies is actually helpful and the rest is pure testosterone.

See, now he has me all worked up firing back at him. Its not worth my time, but its funny how there is a guy like that in every thread that does his best to turn it into a pissing match.

I digress; Thanks for the info, sorry for posting in the wrong forum I dont log in to this thing very often for obvious reasons. Im busy actually working on my car, no time to crack on people.

 

[jtmcinder]

The problem Jtoby has with this thread is understandable.

Thanks. Sometimes I worry about this.

And, Turbo Shogun, yes, that's me in my car in line to take an autocross run last Sunday. And, yes, I think a properly set-up 2G can not only handle pretty well, but look damned good doing it. And, finally, if that last sentence doesn't make it clear: I am senstive to issues of appearance. That's why I painted a perfectly good set of Kosei K1s black. I just try to keep such issues in the right forum. I'm very much aware that painting my racing wheel black could have a negative effect on performance.

- Jtoby